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For fuck sakes, will one of you smarts convince me otherwise? Corona just a bunch-a-shit. Imagine
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That would be great. Until then, glad we* have The Tug.MontlakeBridgeTroll said:FFS if only there were places on the internet besides a football message board where people could learn about science.
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Good think he didn’t listen to cryin Chuck.insinceredawg said: -
Or you and PurpMikeDamone said:
Good think he didn’t listen to cryin Chuck.insinceredawg said: -
@89ute this thing is potentially more contagious than the flu but ranges around pneumonia in how deadly it is. Neither of those two things is super alarming but put them together and well it's more concerning.
Combine that with an aging population and how rapidly it infects and well, it might only kill 15,000 people in the US but it might do it in a week. All of the sick people will overwhelm the hospitals if it all is within 1 week as well. That will grab headlines regardless. -
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I think the case/death ratio can get skewed pretty easily for a number of reasons ... but you’re mixing a leading indicator (cases) with a lagging indicator (deaths)
Yes, part of the numbers in New York is due to sheer volume of more people ... but the fear is the contagious nature of passing things on and that the NYC area kinda took things slow early and there is risk to overwhelming the system.
I hope we look back on this and think we overplayed the hand for a number of reasons ... -
The experts don’t know what it is. It’s like the flu and can take over someone quickly within a matter of hours, young and old, or may have mild symptoms, depending on that persons immune system at the time or age or pre-existing conditions...
I’m not freaking out about it myself, but it needs to be taken seriously, seriously. It may not be what happens to someone here where they wind up on a ventilator, but who may be affected from someone and then pass it on. Seems to be a lot more contagious than the regular flu. Not only may it put your parents or grandparents in jeopardy fighting for their lives if a person contracted this and spread it to others, it inundates hospitals and critical care beds to where there is no room for these poor folks, much less others with everyday medical circumstances requiring critical care.
When every hospital goes on “diversion” meaning no critical care beds in your area and then some other unforeseen medical emergency may happen upon you or a loved one and they say we have no beds, try another, it jams up the system and may be fucked. Much less the folks trying to take care of the sick and then they get affected and no help.
In other words, and I know it’s cliche, but flatten the outbreak and try not to overwhelm medical facilities with this shit because flu is out there as well and every day medical emergencies that require attention. -
The other benefit to attending the curve is that we are buying time for solutions to emerge
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Study just published in Germany shows that its much more contagious. The virus is shedding very early and in yuge volumes which makes it much harder to contain.UW_Doog_Bot said:@89ute this thing is potentially more contagious than the flu but ranges around pneumonia in how deadly it is. Neither of those two things is super alarming but put them together and well it's more concerning.
Combine that with an aging population and how rapidly it infects and well, it might only kill 15,000 people in the US but it might do it in a week. All of the sick people will overwhelm the hospitals if it all is within 1 week as well. That will grab headlines regardless.
They compared it to SARS which reached its peak infectious period later in the cycle when the illness moved deep into the lungs. covid 19 seems to reach peak shed earlier while still in upper respiratory. At its peak covid 19 is shedding 1,000 times more virus than SARS patients were emitting at peak shed...this ain’t the flu. -
If we had a mainstream media and politicians with any credibility, there would be way less confusion and arguing over it. It's been politicized like everything else. People on both extremes are obnoxious and really full of shit and histrionics. Meanwhile we're way more in debt thanks to the hysteria and shutdown of most of the country.
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This is exactly on point.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:If we had a mainstream media and politicians with any credibility, there would be way less confusion and arguing over it. It's been politicized like everything else. People on both extremes are obnoxious and really full of shit and histrionics. Meanwhile we're way more in debt thanks to the hysteria and shutdown of most of the country.
Somebody’s lying. And somebody is pouring gas on the fire.
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Sunday night coronavirus positivity in United States: deaths dropped by nearly 50% — the first drop in 8 days — and total new infections dropped for the first time in eight days as well. Double positives - Copied from Clay Travis.
don't know how to put a tweet in a poast
wow - it worked
FMB - nailed it. When shit like this gets whipped up I tend rebel. Teq, Doog Bot, Bearswiin - good points. Good reasons to be concerned but I believe this situation is being exploited. Both sides.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:If we had a mainstream media and politicians with any credibility, there would be way less confusion and arguing over it. It's been politicized like everything else. People on both extremes are obnoxious and really full of shit and histrionics. Meanwhile we're way more in debt thanks to the hysteria and shutdown of most of the country.
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Not totally true. I drove through Oregon a couple months ago and was able pump my own gas. I guess towns less than 40,000 people are self pumpers.WestlinnDuck said:Here in Oregon the unions and dem politicians have succeeded in banning Oregon citizens from pumping their own gas. It's like a sacred thing. Well, no more for now. In order to put thousands of gas pumpers out of work we can now pump our own gas. We are saved.
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When you look at the actual numbers of infected I still think this is a knee jerk reaction. 144000 (rounded up) infected is still .043% of the population.
Flu infects 6%. There are more transpeople than SARS-COV2 infections.
Of course, we have been shutdown for 4 weeks so it has not spread that fast.
Still an overreaction to a virus. Shutting down Washington State because Puget Sound area and I5 corridor is infected is crap. -
Well yeah. They are the backbone of our countryLebamDawg said:When you look at the actual numbers of infected I still think this is a knee jerk reaction. 144000 (rounded up) infected is still .043% of the population.
Flu infects 6%. There are more transpeople than SARS-COV2 infections.
Of course, we have been shutdown for 4 weeks so it has not spread that fast.
Still an overreaction to a virus. Shutting down Washington State because Puget Sound area and I5 corridor is infected is crap. -
We haven’t tested really anybody in the grand scheme of things ... it’s like the stat of passes completed in a soccer game
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April 6, fren.LebamDawg said:When you look at the actual numbers of infected I still think this is a knee jerk reaction. 144000 (rounded up) infected is still .043% of the population.
Flu infects 6%. There are more transpeople than SARS-COV2 infections.
Of course, we have been shutdown for 4 weeks so it has not spread that fast.
Still an overreaction to a virus. Shutting down Washington State because Puget Sound area and I5 corridor is infected is crap.
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How did this shit take turn out?BearsWiin said:
It tells you that you're wrong. Influenza and SARS-covid viruses are not related. They can cause similar symptoms, but that does not make them the same.89ute said:
May not be related, but they appear to be very similarBearsWiin said:
Very definitely wrong89ute said:
if it's not the flu, what is it? right or wrong, most likely wrong, i've been thinking it's best described as a strain of flu.MikeDamone said:IT'S NOT THE FLU.
But if the tv media had a flu tote board like CNN does in a split screen where every flu death was reported telethon style I'd expect a pretty severe reaction.
Influenza viruses and corona viruses are not related
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Similarities: COVID-19 and the Flu
Symptoms
Both cause fever, cough, body aches and fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.
Transmission
Both can be spread from person to person through droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking.
A possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route (see details below under Differences).
Both can be spread by an infected person for several days before their symptoms appear.
Treatment
Neither virus is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and support such as mechanical ventilation.
Prevention
Both may be prevented by frequent, thorough hand washing, coughing into the crook of your elbow, staying home when sick and limiting contact with people who are infected. Social distancing can limit the spread of COVID-19 in communities.
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The BIG SCARY difference between the two is that there is no vaccine for COVID-19.
I'm not pretending to be some smart fuck but it seams to me it's a flu-like illness arguably more contagious than the flu. Telling me I'm wrong does not tell me anything.
Covid-19 has a CFR rate probably ten times higher than the seasonal flu, and humans have no natural immunity to it (yet).
This is high school-level biology here. Nothing partisan or expert about it.
To your original question, no. Nobody here will convince you otherwise because you're predisposed to think that this is just the flu. Like most conservatives, you won't give a shit until it hits you personally. At this poont you've been affected by the disruption and not the virus itself, so you have the luxury of bitching about that. I actually hope that the virus doesn't affect you (or anybody else here) so the braintruste here can continue to gleefully complain that it's all a big lib/statist hoax, but sadly I fear that that will not be the case -
Is it also like pretending to be a centrist and then taking a lefty political stance to thinking about respiratory virus with a hetereogenous effect on people?MelloDawg said:
It’s like saying a hangover and a brain tumor are the same because they both cause headaches. I’m not saying they’re the same, so don’t twist.BearsWiin said:
It tells you that you're wrong. Influenza and SARS-covid viruses are not related. They can cause similar symptoms, but that does not make them the same.89ute said:
May not be related, but they appear to be very similarBearsWiin said:
Very definitely wrong89ute said:
if it's not the flu, what is it? right or wrong, most likely wrong, i've been thinking it's best described as a strain of flu.MikeDamone said:IT'S NOT THE FLU.
But if the tv media had a flu tote board like CNN does in a split screen where every flu death was reported telethon style I'd expect a pretty severe reaction.
Influenza viruses and corona viruses are not related
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Similarities: COVID-19 and the Flu
Symptoms
Both cause fever, cough, body aches and fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.
Transmission
Both can be spread from person to person through droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking.
A possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route (see details below under Differences).
Both can be spread by an infected person for several days before their symptoms appear.
Treatment
Neither virus is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and support such as mechanical ventilation.
Prevention
Both may be prevented by frequent, thorough hand washing, coughing into the crook of your elbow, staying home when sick and limiting contact with people who are infected. Social distancing can limit the spread of COVID-19 in communities.
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The BIG SCARY difference between the two is that there is no vaccine for COVID-19.
I'm not pretending to be some smart fuck but it seams to me it's a flu-like illness arguably more contagious than the flu. Telling me I'm wrong does not tell me anything.
Covid-19 has a CFR rate probably ten times higher than the seasonal flu, and humans have no natural immunity to it (yet).
This is high school-level biology here. Nothing partisan or expert about it. -
@BearsWiin lit himself on fire.hardhat said:
How did this shit take turn out?BearsWiin said:
It tells you that you're wrong. Influenza and SARS-covid viruses are not related. They can cause similar symptoms, but that does not make them the same.89ute said:
May not be related, but they appear to be very similarBearsWiin said:
Very definitely wrong89ute said:
if it's not the flu, what is it? right or wrong, most likely wrong, i've been thinking it's best described as a strain of flu.MikeDamone said:IT'S NOT THE FLU.
But if the tv media had a flu tote board like CNN does in a split screen where every flu death was reported telethon style I'd expect a pretty severe reaction.
Influenza viruses and corona viruses are not related
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Similarities: COVID-19 and the Flu
Symptoms
Both cause fever, cough, body aches and fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.
Transmission
Both can be spread from person to person through droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking.
A possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route (see details below under Differences).
Both can be spread by an infected person for several days before their symptoms appear.
Treatment
Neither virus is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and support such as mechanical ventilation.
Prevention
Both may be prevented by frequent, thorough hand washing, coughing into the crook of your elbow, staying home when sick and limiting contact with people who are infected. Social distancing can limit the spread of COVID-19 in communities.
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The BIG SCARY difference between the two is that there is no vaccine for COVID-19.
I'm not pretending to be some smart fuck but it seams to me it's a flu-like illness arguably more contagious than the flu. Telling me I'm wrong does not tell me anything.
Covid-19 has a CFR rate probably ten times higher than the seasonal flu, and humans have no natural immunity to it (yet).
This is high school-level biology here. Nothing partisan or expert about it.
To your original question, no. Nobody here will convince you otherwise because you're predisposed to think that this is just the flu. Like most conservatives, you won't give a shit until it hits you personally. At this poont you've been affected by the disruption and not the virus itself, so you have the luxury of bitching about that. I actually hope that the virus doesn't affect you (or anybody else here) so the braintruste here can continue to gleefully complain that it's all a big lib/statist hoax, but sadly I fear that that will not be the case
Ruled a covid death.
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PurpleThrobber said:
@BearsWiin lit himself on fire.hardhat said:
How did this shit take turn out?BearsWiin said:
It tells you that you're wrong. Influenza and SARS-covid viruses are not related. They can cause similar symptoms, but that does not make them the same.89ute said:
May not be related, but they appear to be very similarBearsWiin said:
Very definitely wrong89ute said:
if it's not the flu, what is it? right or wrong, most likely wrong, i've been thinking it's best described as a strain of flu.MikeDamone said:IT'S NOT THE FLU.
But if the tv media had a flu tote board like CNN does in a split screen where every flu death was reported telethon style I'd expect a pretty severe reaction.
Influenza viruses and corona viruses are not related
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Similarities: COVID-19 and the Flu
Symptoms
Both cause fever, cough, body aches and fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.
Transmission
Both can be spread from person to person through droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking.
A possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route (see details below under Differences).
Both can be spread by an infected person for several days before their symptoms appear.
Treatment
Neither virus is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and support such as mechanical ventilation.
Prevention
Both may be prevented by frequent, thorough hand washing, coughing into the crook of your elbow, staying home when sick and limiting contact with people who are infected. Social distancing can limit the spread of COVID-19 in communities.
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The BIG SCARY difference between the two is that there is no vaccine for COVID-19.
I'm not pretending to be some smart fuck but it seams to me it's a flu-like illness arguably more contagious than the flu. Telling me I'm wrong does not tell me anything.
Covid-19 has a CFR rate probably ten times higher than the seasonal flu, and humans have no natural immunity to it (yet).
This is high school-level biology here. Nothing partisan or expert about it.
To your original question, no. Nobody here will convince you otherwise because you're predisposed to think that this is just the flu. Like most conservatives, you won't give a shit until it hits you personally. At this poont you've been affected by the disruption and not the virus itself, so you have the luxury of bitching about that. I actually hope that the virus doesn't affect you (or anybody else here) so the braintruste here can continue to gleefully complain that it's all a big lib/statist hoax, but sadly I fear that that will not be the case
Ruled a covid death.
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ThomasFremont said:
This is just another stark example of why Utah has no business in the conference of champions.
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Mostly a hoax to steal an election with assistance from communist China and others.
The PCR test can't tell the difference between Flu, Chicom Crud or even any corona virus based cold. There were only 1080 Flu cases in 202 and now you know why. Last I knew they still haven't sent out the new test that is supposed to differentiate. It was due out Dec. 31st.
Cooked the books and did the overthrow of our government. Fuck them all. -
haie said:
I just don't care about it. Open up th economy on April 12 like Trump is eyeing to do. End of April at the latest. Lock down New York if you need to. This is just silly with all the retards predicting doomsday. They're going to keep moving the goalposts now and say, "Yeah but next month it'll get unmanageable, then next month, then next month."
Now it's admittance it will die in summer but come back in the fall.
You just don't understand how an exponential equation works. You just want old people to die so you can go to Starbucks again.
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Tell me moar about shedding. Is that what pets do also?GDS said:
Study just published in Germany shows that its much more contagious. The virus is shedding very early and in yuge volumes which makes it much harder to contain.UW_Doog_Bot said:@89ute this thing is potentially more contagious than the flu but ranges around pneumonia in how deadly it is. Neither of those two things is super alarming but put them together and well it's more concerning.
Combine that with an aging population and how rapidly it infects and well, it might only kill 15,000 people in the US but it might do it in a week. All of the sick people will overwhelm the hospitals if it all is within 1 week as well. That will grab headlines regardless.
They compared it to SARS which reached its peak infectious period later in the cycle when the illness moved deep into the lungs. covid 19 seems to reach peak shed earlier while still in upper respiratory. At its peak covid 19 is shedding 1,000 times more virus than SARS patients were emitting at peak shed...this ain’t the flu. -
Some real housewife vibes in this thread
Fear works
Not on me but on a lot of you
And of course those most sure of lockdowns were the most and loudest wrong and long since gone. I mean they are pussies so that makes sense
We just don't know so let's crater the economy and cause distress and misery over a fucking cold
This was March of 2020
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They need to come back for a victory lap. Stand up a take a bow, wine moms.
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You are a cunt. I'd kick your dick into your ass if I ever met you. I am very glad you left. Go dust something. Split tail.BearsWiin said:
I didn't say that I was. I have very little tolerance for militant ignorance. We're all ignorant to some degree. Not all of us are proud of it.DerekJohnson said:
You're positing yourself as a bastion of compassion?BearsWiin said:
It tells you that you're wrong. Influenza and SARS-covid viruses are not related. They can cause similar symptoms, but that does not make them the same.89ute said:
May not be related, but they appear to be very similarBearsWiin said:
Very definitely wrong89ute said:
if it's not the flu, what is it? right or wrong, most likely wrong, i've been thinking it's best described as a strain of flu.MikeDamone said:IT'S NOT THE FLU.
But if the tv media had a flu tote board like CNN does in a split screen where every flu death was reported telethon style I'd expect a pretty severe reaction.
Influenza viruses and corona viruses are not related
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Similarities: COVID-19 and the Flu
Symptoms
Both cause fever, cough, body aches and fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.
Transmission
Both can be spread from person to person through droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking.
A possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route (see details below under Differences).
Both can be spread by an infected person for several days before their symptoms appear.
Treatment
Neither virus is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both are treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and support such as mechanical ventilation.
Prevention
Both may be prevented by frequent, thorough hand washing, coughing into the crook of your elbow, staying home when sick and limiting contact with people who are infected. Social distancing can limit the spread of COVID-19 in communities.
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The BIG SCARY difference between the two is that there is no vaccine for COVID-19.
I'm not pretending to be some smart fuck but it seams to me it's a flu-like illness arguably more contagious than the flu. Telling me I'm wrong does not tell me anything.
Covid-19 has a CFR rate probably ten times higher than the seasonal flu, and humans have no natural immunity to it (yet).
This is high school-level biology here. Nothing partisan or expert about it.
To your original question, no. Nobody here will convince you otherwise because you're predisposed to think that this is just the flu. Like most conservatives, you won't give a shit until it hits you personally. At this poont you've been affected by the disruption and not the virus itself, so you have the luxury of bitching about that. I actually hope that the virus doesn't affect you (or anybody else here) so the braintruste here can continue to gleefully complain that it's all a big lib/statist hoax, but sadly I fear that that will not be the case
As I've said, the one glaring difference between the two is that some doctors are actually dying as a result of treating the infirm. That's unsettling in regards to the big picture.
It's also telling that you didn't disagree with me, you merely tried to deflect
