Oh Canada!
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Your word is worthlessHHusky said:
Respectfully, bullfuckingshit.RaceBannon said:
No. We didn'tHHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.
As always
I had great insurance paid for by my employer. Not Canada -
Umm........I have friends and family who come down here regularly for healthcare they can't get in Canada. One woman came down here for surgery she was waiting 6 months for in Canada and it ended up saving her life.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.
I think you have the wrong person if you think I ever supported Canadian healthcare. Not one Conservative I know has ever supported the Canadian system. Never.
I think it is you who is having some kind of senior moment.
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My wife worked at Virginia Mason in Seattle and the place was crawling with CanucksBendintheriver said:
Umm........I have friends and family who come down here regularly for healthcare they can't get in Canada. One woman came down here for surgery she was waiting 6 months for in Canada and it ended up saving her life.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.
I think you have the wrong person if you think I ever supported Canadian healthcare. Not one Conservative I know has ever supported the Canadian system. Never.
I think it is you who is having some kind of senior moment.
That was the story I told during the debate
H is insane if he thinks any "con" wanted Canadian care -
I didn't say that. I'm also one of the few posters in this forum who doesn't think you're a complete imbecile. Don't convert me.HHusky said:
Latest coronavirus breakthrough is out of the UK. That should be impossible, I’m told.creepycoug said:
I hesitate to jump into these because healthcare is a fucking quandary from my perspective. But I think you're making two big assumptions here.HHusky said:
The very existence of the treatment reflects the fact that innovation isn’t being stifled. But a course of intense and risky treatment that can run three months or more isn’t likely to ever become cheap or easy to acquire.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So then that's better off than where no one gets it except I guess the oligarchs and elites in government.HHusky said:
This treatment’s costs range from the low to the mid six figures, so I guess the kid whose parents have that cash are all set.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You got the cash services are available. I know that's unbearable for socialists.HHusky said:
We're really lucky that insurance and hospital executives make the decisions about us then.Sledog said:
You don't know socialized medicine has actual limits on things like number of procedures.HHusky said:
This isn't a wheel them in and out thing. They didn't have enough beds to provide immediate service. That's not surprising since the treatment lasts months.Sledog said:
You didn't read it. "Resources" and "means" not relapse were the reason she wasn't treated.HHusky said:
I don't think you read your own article.Sledog said:
They're finite when you only get to do a certain number of procedures. The Canadian government sets those numbers. They stop paying when the allotment is consumed.HHusky said:
Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.Sledog said:Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html
Make an American who couldn't get this procedure?
Not having a match is one thing but not having the "means" to do more than 5 a month is lunacy. If Trudeau won't pay you die.
Maybe they'll soon move to a lottery system for procedures.
But you'll fit in well with the "healthcare is a right" crowd.
Hope they don't go to a lottery. The treatment you're talking about has a high mortality rate, which gets worse when you've already been treated and the disease has returned. Probably best to take those who have the best chance of surviving the treatment first.
I see you were unable to find me an American with a donor ready to go who dead because we didn't have the means or resources. The government doesn't tell the hospital/doctors how many procedures they can do per year.
And I didn't say your article mentioned the relapse as a reason she didn't get treated. I simply provided you some facts you probably didn't know. The fact she had been treated before would have been a legitimate medical reason to prefer a candidate who hadn't been treated before. I don't know whether that was also a consideration. It should have been.
That's why you can't find a comfortable situation here in the free world.
If your reasons were correct we'd see it here.
Allow the free market to incentivize cost savings and innovation and it might even be as easy to acquire as a cell phone.
First, that the treatment is available is proof that socialized medicine doesn't stifle innovation. Availability could be due, and likely is due, to advances in medicine that come from other systems, namely ours, where a lot of the innovation tends to occur. Once it's known it's known and medicine tends to share what they learn.
Second, that risky and lengthy treatment is not ever going to be cheap. That's the story of Western medicine in a free market. What was a big deal yesterday is an office procedure today.
I hear what you are saying. I have a relative who recently developed cancer on her tongue. They want to do, and can do, proton therapy so that the chemo doesn't fly around her head and cause other problems that weren't there before. But, some pencil pusher is thinking about how much proton therapy they're going to pay for, and in the mean time when you have cancer anywhere in your head you need to proceed to treatment forthwith. So even though the docs said "proton", they're prepared to spray her with the messy chemo the first five or six treatments, and when pencil pusher is ready with his decision then we're good to go w/ proton. Relative said "fuck it" and paid for the first proton treatments. Not cheap but had the option.
Should also add ... there was a time, about 10 years ago, when you had to go to MD Anderson in Houston to get proton. Literally nobody else had it ... not Cedar Sinai, Mayo, Mass Gen, SCCA or OHSU. Now, you can get it anywhere. That matters to me.
So while our system has its limitations, I will take it over the other. Plus, in my anecdote, pencil pusher is an insurance functionary. Ultimately, that insurance company is subject to market pressure. Doesn't help my relative right now, sure; but imagine he's a government functionary. That is hopeless. -
You just need more timcreepycoug said:
I didn't say that. I'm also one of the few posters in this forum who doesn't think you're a complete imbecile. Don't convert me.HHusky said:
Latest coronavirus breakthrough is out of the UK. That should be impossible, I’m told.creepycoug said:
I hesitate to jump into these because healthcare is a fucking quandary from my perspective. But I think you're making two big assumptions here.HHusky said:
The very existence of the treatment reflects the fact that innovation isn’t being stifled. But a course of intense and risky treatment that can run three months or more isn’t likely to ever become cheap or easy to acquire.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So then that's better off than where no one gets it except I guess the oligarchs and elites in government.HHusky said:
This treatment’s costs range from the low to the mid six figures, so I guess the kid whose parents have that cash are all set.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You got the cash services are available. I know that's unbearable for socialists.HHusky said:
We're really lucky that insurance and hospital executives make the decisions about us then.Sledog said:
You don't know socialized medicine has actual limits on things like number of procedures.HHusky said:
This isn't a wheel them in and out thing. They didn't have enough beds to provide immediate service. That's not surprising since the treatment lasts months.Sledog said:
You didn't read it. "Resources" and "means" not relapse were the reason she wasn't treated.HHusky said:
I don't think you read your own article.Sledog said:
They're finite when you only get to do a certain number of procedures. The Canadian government sets those numbers. They stop paying when the allotment is consumed.HHusky said:
Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.Sledog said:Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html
Make an American who couldn't get this procedure?
Not having a match is one thing but not having the "means" to do more than 5 a month is lunacy. If Trudeau won't pay you die.
Maybe they'll soon move to a lottery system for procedures.
But you'll fit in well with the "healthcare is a right" crowd.
Hope they don't go to a lottery. The treatment you're talking about has a high mortality rate, which gets worse when you've already been treated and the disease has returned. Probably best to take those who have the best chance of surviving the treatment first.
I see you were unable to find me an American with a donor ready to go who dead because we didn't have the means or resources. The government doesn't tell the hospital/doctors how many procedures they can do per year.
And I didn't say your article mentioned the relapse as a reason she didn't get treated. I simply provided you some facts you probably didn't know. The fact she had been treated before would have been a legitimate medical reason to prefer a candidate who hadn't been treated before. I don't know whether that was also a consideration. It should have been.
That's why you can't find a comfortable situation here in the free world.
If your reasons were correct we'd see it here.
Allow the free market to incentivize cost savings and innovation and it might even be as easy to acquire as a cell phone.
First, that the treatment is available is proof that socialized medicine doesn't stifle innovation. Availability could be due, and likely is due, to advances in medicine that come from other systems, namely ours, where a lot of the innovation tends to occur. Once it's known it's known and medicine tends to share what they learn.
Second, that risky and lengthy treatment is not ever going to be cheap. That's the story of Western medicine in a free market. What was a big deal yesterday is an office procedure today.
I hear what you are saying. I have a relative who recently developed cancer on her tongue. They want to do, and can do, proton therapy so that the chemo doesn't fly around her head and cause other problems that weren't there before. But, some pencil pusher is thinking about how much proton therapy they're going to pay for, and in the mean time when you have cancer anywhere in your head you need to proceed to treatment forthwith. So even though the docs said "proton", they're prepared to spray her with the messy chemo the first five or six treatments, and when pencil pusher is ready with his decision then we're good to go w/ proton. Relative said "fuck it" and paid for the first proton treatments. Not cheap but had the option.
Should also add ... there was a time, about 10 years ago, when you had to go to MD Anderson in Houston to get proton. Literally nobody else had it ... not Cedar Sinai, Mayo, Mass Gen, SCCA or OHSU. Now, you can get it anywhere. That matters to me.
So while our system has its limitations, I will take it over the other. Plus, in my anecdote, pencil pusher is an insurance functionary. Ultimately, that insurance company is subject to market pressure. Doesn't help my relative right now, sure; but imagine he's a government functionary. That is hopeless. -
This is pure manufactured bullshit.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are. -
Meltdown commencing.HHusky said:
Respectfully, bullfuckingshit.RaceBannon said:
No. We didn'tHHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.
Tear something up. You'll feel better. -
Lol wut? Are you lost grandpa?HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are. -
There are multiple voices being heard here, and my reply wasn’t solely in response to what you said. Whether medical innovations are coming from the UK, Canada, Germany, Scandinavia is however, important to the comment you made. They are, of course.HHusky said:
Latest coronavirus breakthrough is out of the UK. That should be impossible, I’m told.creepycoug said:
I hesitate to jump into these because healthcare is a fucking quandary from my perspective. But I think you're making two big assumptions here.HHusky said:
The very existence of the treatment reflects the fact that innovation isn’t being stifled. But a course of intense and risky treatment that can run three months or more isn’t likely to ever become cheap or easy to acquire.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So then that's better off than where no one gets it except I guess the oligarchs and elites in government.HHusky said:
This treatment’s costs range from the low to the mid six figures, so I guess the kid whose parents have that cash are all set.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You got the cash services are available. I know that's unbearable for socialists.HHusky said:
We're really lucky that insurance and hospital executives make the decisions about us then.Sledog said:
You don't know socialized medicine has actual limits on things like number of procedures.HHusky said:
This isn't a wheel them in and out thing. They didn't have enough beds to provide immediate service. That's not surprising since the treatment lasts months.Sledog said:
You didn't read it. "Resources" and "means" not relapse were the reason she wasn't treated.HHusky said:
I don't think you read your own article.Sledog said:
They're finite when you only get to do a certain number of procedures. The Canadian government sets those numbers. They stop paying when the allotment is consumed.HHusky said:
Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.Sledog said:Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html
Make an American who couldn't get this procedure?
Not having a match is one thing but not having the "means" to do more than 5 a month is lunacy. If Trudeau won't pay you die.
Maybe they'll soon move to a lottery system for procedures.
But you'll fit in well with the "healthcare is a right" crowd.
Hope they don't go to a lottery. The treatment you're talking about has a high mortality rate, which gets worse when you've already been treated and the disease has returned. Probably best to take those who have the best chance of surviving the treatment first.
I see you were unable to find me an American with a donor ready to go who dead because we didn't have the means or resources. The government doesn't tell the hospital/doctors how many procedures they can do per year.
And I didn't say your article mentioned the relapse as a reason she didn't get treated. I simply provided you some facts you probably didn't know. The fact she had been treated before would have been a legitimate medical reason to prefer a candidate who hadn't been treated before. I don't know whether that was also a consideration. It should have been.
That's why you can't find a comfortable situation here in the free world.
If your reasons were correct we'd see it here.
Allow the free market to incentivize cost savings and innovation and it might even be as easy to acquire as a cell phone.
First, that the treatment is available is proof that socialized medicine doesn't stifle innovation. Availability could be due, and likely is due, to advances in medicine that come from other systems, namely ours, where a lot of the innovation tends to occur. Once it's known it's known and medicine tends to share what they learn.
Second, that risky and lengthy treatment is not ever going to be cheap. That's the story of Western medicine in a free market. What was a big deal yesterday is an office procedure today.
I hear what you are saying. I have a relative who recently developed cancer on her tongue. They want to do, and can do, proton therapy so that the chemo doesn't fly around her head and cause other problems that weren't there before. But, some pencil pusher is thinking about how much proton therapy they're going to pay for, and in the mean time when you have cancer anywhere in your head you need to proceed to treatment forthwith. So even though the docs said "proton", they're prepared to spray her with the messy chemo the first five or six treatments, and when pencil pusher is ready with his decision then we're good to go w/ proton. Relative said "fuck it" and paid for the first proton treatments. Not cheap but had the option.
Should also add ... there was a time, about 10 years ago, when you had to go to MD Anderson in Houston to get proton. Literally nobody else had it ... not Cedar Sinai, Mayo, Mass Gen, SCCA or OHSU. Now, you can get it anywhere. That matters to me.
So while our system has its limitations, I will take it over the other. Plus, in my anecdote, pencil pusher is an insurance functionary. Ultimately, that insurance company is subject to market pressure. Doesn't help my relative right now, sure; but imagine he's a government functionary. That is hopeless. -
Care to respond to my questions?creepycoug said:
I didn't say that. I'm also one of the few posters in this forum who doesn't think you're a complete imbecile. Don't convert me.HHusky said:
Latest coronavirus breakthrough is out of the UK. That should be impossible, I’m told.creepycoug said:
I hesitate to jump into these because healthcare is a fucking quandary from my perspective. But I think you're making two big assumptions here.HHusky said:
The very existence of the treatment reflects the fact that innovation isn’t being stifled. But a course of intense and risky treatment that can run three months or more isn’t likely to ever become cheap or easy to acquire.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So then that's better off than where no one gets it except I guess the oligarchs and elites in government.HHusky said:
This treatment’s costs range from the low to the mid six figures, so I guess the kid whose parents have that cash are all set.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You got the cash services are available. I know that's unbearable for socialists.HHusky said:
We're really lucky that insurance and hospital executives make the decisions about us then.Sledog said:
You don't know socialized medicine has actual limits on things like number of procedures.HHusky said:
This isn't a wheel them in and out thing. They didn't have enough beds to provide immediate service. That's not surprising since the treatment lasts months.Sledog said:
You didn't read it. "Resources" and "means" not relapse were the reason she wasn't treated.HHusky said:
I don't think you read your own article.Sledog said:
They're finite when you only get to do a certain number of procedures. The Canadian government sets those numbers. They stop paying when the allotment is consumed.HHusky said:
Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.Sledog said:Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html
Make an American who couldn't get this procedure?
Not having a match is one thing but not having the "means" to do more than 5 a month is lunacy. If Trudeau won't pay you die.
Maybe they'll soon move to a lottery system for procedures.
But you'll fit in well with the "healthcare is a right" crowd.
Hope they don't go to a lottery. The treatment you're talking about has a high mortality rate, which gets worse when you've already been treated and the disease has returned. Probably best to take those who have the best chance of surviving the treatment first.
I see you were unable to find me an American with a donor ready to go who dead because we didn't have the means or resources. The government doesn't tell the hospital/doctors how many procedures they can do per year.
And I didn't say your article mentioned the relapse as a reason she didn't get treated. I simply provided you some facts you probably didn't know. The fact she had been treated before would have been a legitimate medical reason to prefer a candidate who hadn't been treated before. I don't know whether that was also a consideration. It should have been.
That's why you can't find a comfortable situation here in the free world.
If your reasons were correct we'd see it here.
Allow the free market to incentivize cost savings and innovation and it might even be as easy to acquire as a cell phone.
First, that the treatment is available is proof that socialized medicine doesn't stifle innovation. Availability could be due, and likely is due, to advances in medicine that come from other systems, namely ours, where a lot of the innovation tends to occur. Once it's known it's known and medicine tends to share what they learn.
Second, that risky and lengthy treatment is not ever going to be cheap. That's the story of Western medicine in a free market. What was a big deal yesterday is an office procedure today.
I hear what you are saying. I have a relative who recently developed cancer on her tongue. They want to do, and can do, proton therapy so that the chemo doesn't fly around her head and cause other problems that weren't there before. But, some pencil pusher is thinking about how much proton therapy they're going to pay for, and in the mean time when you have cancer anywhere in your head you need to proceed to treatment forthwith. So even though the docs said "proton", they're prepared to spray her with the messy chemo the first five or six treatments, and when pencil pusher is ready with his decision then we're good to go w/ proton. Relative said "fuck it" and paid for the first proton treatments. Not cheap but had the option.
Should also add ... there was a time, about 10 years ago, when you had to go to MD Anderson in Houston to get proton. Literally nobody else had it ... not Cedar Sinai, Mayo, Mass Gen, SCCA or OHSU. Now, you can get it anywhere. That matters to me.
So while our system has its limitations, I will take it over the other. Plus, in my anecdote, pencil pusher is an insurance functionary. Ultimately, that insurance company is subject to market pressure. Doesn't help my relative right now, sure; but imagine he's a government functionary. That is hopeless. -
Go take your meds H and have your wife check you for a stroke.HHusky said:
There are multiple voices being heard here, and my reply wasn’t solely in response to what you said. Whether medical innovations are coming from the UK, Canada, Germany, Scandinavia is however, important to the comment you made. They are, of course.HHusky said:
Latest coronavirus breakthrough is out of the UK. That should be impossible, I’m told.creepycoug said:
I hesitate to jump into these because healthcare is a fucking quandary from my perspective. But I think you're making two big assumptions here.HHusky said:
The very existence of the treatment reflects the fact that innovation isn’t being stifled. But a course of intense and risky treatment that can run three months or more isn’t likely to ever become cheap or easy to acquire.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So then that's better off than where no one gets it except I guess the oligarchs and elites in government.HHusky said:
This treatment’s costs range from the low to the mid six figures, so I guess the kid whose parents have that cash are all set.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You got the cash services are available. I know that's unbearable for socialists.HHusky said:
We're really lucky that insurance and hospital executives make the decisions about us then.Sledog said:
You don't know socialized medicine has actual limits on things like number of procedures.HHusky said:
This isn't a wheel them in and out thing. They didn't have enough beds to provide immediate service. That's not surprising since the treatment lasts months.Sledog said:
You didn't read it. "Resources" and "means" not relapse were the reason she wasn't treated.HHusky said:
I don't think you read your own article.Sledog said:
They're finite when you only get to do a certain number of procedures. The Canadian government sets those numbers. They stop paying when the allotment is consumed.HHusky said:
Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.Sledog said:Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html
Make an American who couldn't get this procedure?
Not having a match is one thing but not having the "means" to do more than 5 a month is lunacy. If Trudeau won't pay you die.
Maybe they'll soon move to a lottery system for procedures.
But you'll fit in well with the "healthcare is a right" crowd.
Hope they don't go to a lottery. The treatment you're talking about has a high mortality rate, which gets worse when you've already been treated and the disease has returned. Probably best to take those who have the best chance of surviving the treatment first.
I see you were unable to find me an American with a donor ready to go who dead because we didn't have the means or resources. The government doesn't tell the hospital/doctors how many procedures they can do per year.
And I didn't say your article mentioned the relapse as a reason she didn't get treated. I simply provided you some facts you probably didn't know. The fact she had been treated before would have been a legitimate medical reason to prefer a candidate who hadn't been treated before. I don't know whether that was also a consideration. It should have been.
That's why you can't find a comfortable situation here in the free world.
If your reasons were correct we'd see it here.
Allow the free market to incentivize cost savings and innovation and it might even be as easy to acquire as a cell phone.
First, that the treatment is available is proof that socialized medicine doesn't stifle innovation. Availability could be due, and likely is due, to advances in medicine that come from other systems, namely ours, where a lot of the innovation tends to occur. Once it's known it's known and medicine tends to share what they learn.
Second, that risky and lengthy treatment is not ever going to be cheap. That's the story of Western medicine in a free market. What was a big deal yesterday is an office procedure today.
I hear what you are saying. I have a relative who recently developed cancer on her tongue. They want to do, and can do, proton therapy so that the chemo doesn't fly around her head and cause other problems that weren't there before. But, some pencil pusher is thinking about how much proton therapy they're going to pay for, and in the mean time when you have cancer anywhere in your head you need to proceed to treatment forthwith. So even though the docs said "proton", they're prepared to spray her with the messy chemo the first five or six treatments, and when pencil pusher is ready with his decision then we're good to go w/ proton. Relative said "fuck it" and paid for the first proton treatments. Not cheap but had the option.
Should also add ... there was a time, about 10 years ago, when you had to go to MD Anderson in Houston to get proton. Literally nobody else had it ... not Cedar Sinai, Mayo, Mass Gen, SCCA or OHSU. Now, you can get it anywhere. That matters to me.
So while our system has its limitations, I will take it over the other. Plus, in my anecdote, pencil pusher is an insurance functionary. Ultimately, that insurance company is subject to market pressure. Doesn't help my relative right now, sure; but imagine he's a government functionary. That is hopeless. -
You must owe Race or Atl a favor.SFGbob said:
This is pure manufactured bullshit.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are. -
Yeah bob is all but incapable of thinking for himselfHHusky said:
You must owe Race or Atl a favor.SFGbob said:
This is pure manufactured bullshit.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
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Who the fuck ever said YOU gals wanted it?RaceBannon said:
My wife worked at Virginia Mason in Seattle and the place was crawling with CanucksBendintheriver said:
Umm........I have friends and family who come down here regularly for healthcare they can't get in Canada. One woman came down here for surgery she was waiting 6 months for in Canada and it ended up saving her life.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.
I think you have the wrong person if you think I ever supported Canadian healthcare. Not one Conservative I know has ever supported the Canadian system. Never.
I think it is you who is having some kind of senior moment.
That was the story I told during the debate
H is insane if he thinks any "con" wanted Canadian care
It’s only popular among the people who already have it. (Like Obamacare in that respect). But Atl knows a guy and your wife has seen Canadians in Seattle. Cool story, bro. -
See Race. We can find common ground.RaceBannon said:
Yeah bob is all but incapable of thinking for himselfHHusky said:
You must owe Race or Atl a favor.SFGbob said:
This is pure manufactured bullshit.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
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H earlier in the threadHHusky said:
Who the fuck ever said YOU gals wanted it?RaceBannon said:
My wife worked at Virginia Mason in Seattle and the place was crawling with CanucksBendintheriver said:
Umm........I have friends and family who come down here regularly for healthcare they can't get in Canada. One woman came down here for surgery she was waiting 6 months for in Canada and it ended up saving her life.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.
I think you have the wrong person if you think I ever supported Canadian healthcare. Not one Conservative I know has ever supported the Canadian system. Never.
I think it is you who is having some kind of senior moment.
That was the story I told during the debate
H is insane if he thinks any "con" wanted Canadian care
It’s only popular among the people who already have it. (Like Obamacare in that respect). But Atl knows a guy and your wife has seen Canadians in Seattle. Cool story, bro.
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.
Cornoavirus? -
You were citing Canadian as bad example, hated by everyone (except overwhelming numbers of Canadians). Understand now?RaceBannon said:
H earlier in the threadHHusky said:
Who the fuck ever said YOU gals wanted it?RaceBannon said:
My wife worked at Virginia Mason in Seattle and the place was crawling with CanucksBendintheriver said:
Umm........I have friends and family who come down here regularly for healthcare they can't get in Canada. One woman came down here for surgery she was waiting 6 months for in Canada and it ended up saving her life.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.
I think you have the wrong person if you think I ever supported Canadian healthcare. Not one Conservative I know has ever supported the Canadian system. Never.
I think it is you who is having some kind of senior moment.
That was the story I told during the debate
H is insane if he thinks any "con" wanted Canadian care
It’s only popular among the people who already have it. (Like Obamacare in that respect). But Atl knows a guy and your wife has seen Canadians in Seattle. Cool story, bro.
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.
Cornoavirus? -
The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
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“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh? -
Canadians tend to live in CanadaHHusky said:
“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh?
They have to give their address and everything when they come to Seattle for decent care. Came I should say -
Gee, my son’s home was in Seattle when he saw a doctor in Montreal.RaceBannon said:
Canadians tend to live in CanadaHHusky said:
“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh?
They have to give their address and everything when they come to Seattle for decent care. Came I should say
Hate to tell you this, Race. But here in the north country, there are Canadians amongst us. You know, those open borders you keep whining about. -
Of course that has nothing to do with the discussion but good effort anywayHHusky said:
Gee, my son’s home was in Seattle when he saw a doctor in Montreal.RaceBannon said:
Canadians tend to live in CanadaHHusky said:
“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh?
They have to give their address and everything when they come to Seattle for decent care. Came I should say
Hate to tell you this, Race. But here in the north country, there are Canadians amongst us. You know, those open borders you keep whining about. -
Sure it does. You’re arguing that Canadians travel to US to get care. I’m arguing that Canadians seeing US doctors are by and large already here for other reasons.RaceBannon said:
Of course that has nothing to do with the discussion but good effort anywayHHusky said:
Gee, my son’s home was in Seattle when he saw a doctor in Montreal.RaceBannon said:
Canadians tend to live in CanadaHHusky said:
“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh?
They have to give their address and everything when they come to Seattle for decent care. Came I should say
Hate to tell you this, Race. But here in the north country, there are Canadians amongst us. You know, those open borders you keep whining about. -
I'm right and you're lyingHHusky said:
Sure it does. You’re arguing that Canadians travel to US to get care. I’m arguing that Canadians seeing US doctors are by and large already here for other reasons.RaceBannon said:
Of course that has nothing to do with the discussion but good effort anywayHHusky said:
Gee, my son’s home was in Seattle when he saw a doctor in Montreal.RaceBannon said:
Canadians tend to live in CanadaHHusky said:
“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh?
They have to give their address and everything when they come to Seattle for decent care. Came I should say
Hate to tell you this, Race. But here in the north country, there are Canadians amongst us. You know, those open borders you keep whining about.
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CompellingRaceBannon said:
I'm right and you're lyingHHusky said:
Sure it does. You’re arguing that Canadians travel to US to get care. I’m arguing that Canadians seeing US doctors are by and large already here for other reasons.RaceBannon said:
Of course that has nothing to do with the discussion but good effort anywayHHusky said:
Gee, my son’s home was in Seattle when he saw a doctor in Montreal.RaceBannon said:
Canadians tend to live in CanadaHHusky said:
“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh?
They have to give their address and everything when they come to Seattle for decent care. Came I should say
Hate to tell you this, Race. But here in the north country, there are Canadians amongst us. You know, those open borders you keep whining about.
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My doctor is Canadian who recently became a US citizen. I asked he why he came here and rather than practice in Canada. He literally El oh El'd
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This is a prime example of why you're #ShittyLawyerWhoCan'tGetHisFactsStraight. And you continue providing them. Abundantly.HHusky said:
Sure it does. You’re arguing that Canadians travel to US to get care. I’m arguing that Canadians seeing US doctors are by and large already here for other reasons.RaceBannon said:
Of course that has nothing to do with the discussion but good effort anywayHHusky said:
Gee, my son’s home was in Seattle when he saw a doctor in Montreal.RaceBannon said:
Canadians tend to live in CanadaHHusky said:
“Flooding Canadians!”RaceBannon said:The Canadians that were flooding Seattle hospitals? Got it
Canadians living in Seattle just might see US doctors. My son graduated from McGill. While there, he saw Canadian doctors. Strange world, eh?
They have to give their address and everything when they come to Seattle for decent care. Came I should say
Hate to tell you this, Race. But here in the north country, there are Canadians amongst us. You know, those open borders you keep whining about. -
He's probably a racist too.MikeDamone said:My doctor is Canadian who recently became a US citizen. I asked he why he came here and rather than practice in Canada. He literally El oh El'd
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The US medical system is so terrible that we lead the world in medical tourism to the US despite the inherent higher costs of labor and capital.
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Nope, my only duty is to the truth and you are a lying sack of shit sir.HHusky said:
You must owe Race or Atl a favor.SFGbob said:
This is pure manufactured bullshit.HHusky said:
Funny. You gals campaigned against Obamacare citing the overwhelmingly popular Canadian system. All I said was that I wished someone was proposing the Canadian system. Memory failing you, old boy.Bendintheriver said:Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.
They lie. Its what they do, who they are.