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LA Times writer witnessed Kobe copter crash

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  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    All the families impacted, having to see all the coverage and images....Can't even imagine. The pain has to be unimaginable and the terror the young kids had to endure on that flight just sickens me. The young children that lost a parent? There is nothing worse. The nonstop coverage of the event will make all impacted have to relive it every time. Learning more about Kobe's bond with his daughter Gianna and the time spent together experiencing their passion together? To have that taken away in such a brutal ruthless event is hard to fathom.

    Steve Gleason had some heartfelt messages the last few days about loving relentlessly.
  • HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537

    Houhusky said:

    "it was a foggy morning, with visibility at less than 60 feet."

    "Using binoculars, I was able to see the aircraft had been torn apart and was on fire."

    ok.gif

    My buddy is a pilot for Alaska and did a Sea-San Diego flight around the same time and he said he couldn’t see shit and was a little scared himself. When he landed he learned Kobe died in a very similar place to where he lost visibility.

    Should I call Alaska HR? Guys flying 737s aren’t allowed to get even a little scared.
    You would be scared too if you were at cruising altitude somewhere between 20,000 - 30,000 feet and were suddenly in a deep marine layer fog that maxes out at roughly 5,000 feet.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,531 Standard Supporter

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    It doesn’t matter at this point

    What matters is families were ripped apart at their core

    And way down the pecking order the world of basketball lost an influencer that had the power to influence both men’s and women’s basketball going forward in a profound way

    For as great as Kobe was on the court ... he held the power to be a greater influence off of it

    It’s beyond a sad day ...

    And fuck anybody that wants to come out with a “I seen it” perspective

    Precisely why I can't figure out why anyone would say the day Magic retired was a sadder day.

    You know anyone who tweeted that?

    I can’t speak to anyone’s age

    In 1991 HIV was a death sentence ...

    Magic was an active player coming off a trip to the Finals ...

    Kobe was retired ...

    I’m gutted by all the children involved as it’s beyond horrible

    I don’t know how you compare the two ...

    I wasn’t yet a teenager for Magic ... I’m in my 40s for Kobe ... maybe that’s jading me a bit

    Both are monumental you know were you were hearing the news ... I was and am deeply impacted all day ... I will be for a while

    This is so devastating on so many levels ...

    Magic’s announcement taught me be careful who you sleep with ...

    Kobe is a flat out tragedy ...

    What am I supposed to think?

    Fuck you for in any way suggesting that my feelings are right, wrong, or anything in between

    This sucks ... and I’ve been hurting all day ... and I will be hurting for a while

    It’s just bad ... so so bad
    there's no need to compare the two
    They are all tragic events

    But go ahead and post thoughts of those who really don’t know but are entertainers

    If that’s your takeaway ... you don’t fucking get it

    But that’s not that surprising
    There's no need to compare the two. They are both tragic events.
    Magic's was stunning. Groundbreaking to the extent the AIDs crisis hit a 'normal' person.

    Kobe's was just plain sadness. And to me, it wasn't just Kobe - it was the fact his daughter was with him.

    Two separate matters not really comparable.

  • PurpleBazePurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,016 Founders Club

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    It doesn’t matter at this point

    What matters is families were ripped apart at their core

    And way down the pecking order the world of basketball lost an influencer that had the power to influence both men’s and women’s basketball going forward in a profound way

    For as great as Kobe was on the court ... he held the power to be a greater influence off of it

    It’s beyond a sad day ...

    And fuck anybody that wants to come out with a “I seen it” perspective

    Precisely why I can't figure out why anyone would say the day Magic retired was a sadder day.

    You know anyone who tweeted that?

    I can’t speak to anyone’s age

    In 1991 HIV was a death sentence ...

    Magic was an active player coming off a trip to the Finals ...

    Kobe was retired ...

    I’m gutted by all the children involved as it’s beyond horrible

    I don’t know how you compare the two ...

    I wasn’t yet a teenager for Magic ... I’m in my 40s for Kobe ... maybe that’s jading me a bit

    Both are monumental you know were you were hearing the news ... I was and am deeply impacted all day ... I will be for a while

    This is so devastating on so many levels ...

    Magic’s announcement taught me be careful who you sleep with ...

    Kobe is a flat out tragedy ...

    What am I supposed to think?

    Fuck you for in any way suggesting that my feelings are right, wrong, or anything in between

    This sucks ... and I’ve been hurting all day ... and I will be hurting for a while

    It’s just bad ... so so bad
    there's no need to compare the two
    They are all tragic events

    But go ahead and post thoughts of those who really don’t know but are entertainers

    If that’s your takeaway ... you don’t fucking get it

    But that’s not that surprising
    There's no need to compare the two. They are both tragic events.
    Magic's was stunning. Groundbreaking to the extent the AIDs crisis hit a 'normal' person.

    Kobe's was just plain sadness. And to me, it wasn't just Kobe - it was the fact his daughter was with him.

    Two separate matters not really comparable.

    Without question. Simple fact. Case closed. End of discussion.
  • 1to392831weretaken1to392831weretaken Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,657 Swaye's Wigwam

    Tequilla said:

    Gladstone said:

    umm what

    teq there's no comparison even if we go with the whole HIV is a death sentence angle

    no comparison

    The comparison was never about the events being better or worse

    The comparison was in the never forget where you were ... time stands still ... just total feeling of emptiness
    I've already forgotten where I was.
    I was getting a #1 and #5 from Jimmy John's and @PurpleBaze sexted me. I was like, "oh okay...bummer man" and grabbed my sammies.
    I was taking a #2 when I sexted you.
    Criminally underchinned.
  • Miley_CyrusMiley_Cyrus Member Posts: 819

    Gladstone said:

    umm what

    teq there's no comparison even if we go with the whole HIV is a death sentence angle

    no comparison

    For real. A cancer diagnosis with a year to live isn’t even the same.
    A truly all time trash Tequilla take.
  • 1to392831weretaken1to392831weretaken Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,657 Swaye's Wigwam

    Houhusky said:

    Houhusky said:

    "it was a foggy morning, with visibility at less than 60 feet."

    "Using binoculars, I was able to see the aircraft had been torn apart and was on fire."

    ok.gif

    My buddy is a pilot for Alaska and did a Sea-San Diego flight around the same time and he said he couldn’t see shit and was a little scared himself. When he landed he learned Kobe died in a very similar place to where he lost visibility.

    Should I call Alaska HR? Guys flying 737s aren’t allowed to get even a little scared.
    You would be scared too if you were at cruising altitude somewhere between 20,000 - 30,000 feet and were suddenly in a deep marine layer fog that maxes out at roughly 5,000 feet.
    Of course, I'd be scared shitless. I don't have thousands of hours of training and I don't know how all the instruments and systems work that are designed to keep the plane flying safely through zero visibility. I leave these things to the professionals who aren't allowed to be scared.
    I think you're missing his point/joke that you'd be scared shitless if your plane was <5,000 feet off the ground instead of the expected 30,000 feet.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,499
    HuskyJW said:

    Houhusky said:

    "it was a foggy morning, with visibility at less than 60 feet."

    "Using binoculars, I was able to see the aircraft had been torn apart and was on fire."

    ok.gif

    My buddy is a pilot for Alaska and did a Sea-San Diego flight around the same time and he said he couldn’t see shit and was a little scared himself. When he landed he learned Kobe died in a very similar place to where he lost visibility.

    Should I call Alaska HR? Guys flying 737s aren’t allowed to get even a little scared.
    Sexist much?
    JDub (I like to call him JDub; IWILTD) on fire today in his own right!
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,820 Founders Club

    Houhusky said:

    Houhusky said:

    "it was a foggy morning, with visibility at less than 60 feet."

    "Using binoculars, I was able to see the aircraft had been torn apart and was on fire."

    ok.gif

    My buddy is a pilot for Alaska and did a Sea-San Diego flight around the same time and he said he couldn’t see shit and was a little scared himself. When he landed he learned Kobe died in a very similar place to where he lost visibility.

    Should I call Alaska HR? Guys flying 737s aren’t allowed to get even a little scared.
    You would be scared too if you were at cruising altitude somewhere between 20,000 - 30,000 feet and were suddenly in a deep marine layer fog that maxes out at roughly 5,000 feet.
    Of course, I'd be scared shitless. I don't have thousands of hours of training and I don't know how all the instruments and systems work that are designed to keep the plane flying safely through zero visibility. I leave these things to the professionals who aren't allowed to be scared.
    I doubt he was really scared. I didn’t press much about it and the texts were more about Kobe and the visibility issue was a quick text.

    I think it was just because he found out after the fact that Kobe crashed in a similar are. He just said he couldn’t see shit at all and the flying conditions sucked.

    I know you guys really care so I just wanted to clear things up for you guys. You try reading my text messages for a day.
    I don't think he was scared IRL. But some of us here really think and care and about aviation safety.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367
    edited January 2020

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    It doesn’t matter at this point

    What matters is families were ripped apart at their core

    And way down the pecking order the world of basketball lost an influencer that had the power to influence both men’s and women’s basketball going forward in a profound way

    For as great as Kobe was on the court ... he held the power to be a greater influence off of it

    It’s beyond a sad day ...

    And fuck anybody that wants to come out with a “I seen it” perspective

    Precisely why I can't figure out why anyone would say the day Magic retired was a sadder day.

    You know anyone who tweeted that?

    I can’t speak to anyone’s age

    In 1991 HIV was a death sentence ...

    Magic was an active player coming off a trip to the Finals ...

    Kobe was retired ...

    I’m gutted by all the children involved as it’s beyond horrible

    I don’t know how you compare the two ...

    I wasn’t yet a teenager for Magic ... I’m in my 40s for Kobe ... maybe that’s jading me a bit

    Both are monumental you know were you were hearing the news ... I was and am deeply impacted all day ... I will be for a while

    This is so devastating on so many levels ...

    Magic’s announcement taught me be careful who you sleep with ...

    Kobe is a flat out tragedy ...

    What am I supposed to think?

    Fuck you for in any way suggesting that my feelings are right, wrong, or anything in between

    This sucks ... and I’ve been hurting all day ... and I will be hurting for a while

    It’s just bad ... so so bad
    there's no need to compare the two
    They are all tragic events

    But go ahead and post thoughts of those who really don’t know but are entertainers

    If that’s your takeaway ... you don’t fucking get it

    But that’s not that surprising
    There's no need to compare the two. They are both tragic events.
    Magic's was stunning. Groundbreaking to the extent the AIDs crisis hit a 'normal' person.

    Kobe's was just plain sadness. And to me, it wasn't just Kobe - it was the fact his daughter was with him.

    Two separate matters not really comparable.

    We’re really pretending like Magic wasn’t fucking dudes or trannies?
    Ever see Tragic Johnson in Diana Jones in the Temple of Poon?
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,931

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    It doesn’t matter at this point

    What matters is families were ripped apart at their core

    And way down the pecking order the world of basketball lost an influencer that had the power to influence both men’s and women’s basketball going forward in a profound way

    For as great as Kobe was on the court ... he held the power to be a greater influence off of it

    It’s beyond a sad day ...

    And fuck anybody that wants to come out with a “I seen it” perspective

    Precisely why I can't figure out why anyone would say the day Magic retired was a sadder day.

    You know anyone who tweeted that?

    I can’t speak to anyone’s age

    In 1991 HIV was a death sentence ...

    Magic was an active player coming off a trip to the Finals ...

    Kobe was retired ...

    I’m gutted by all the children involved as it’s beyond horrible

    I don’t know how you compare the two ...

    I wasn’t yet a teenager for Magic ... I’m in my 40s for Kobe ... maybe that’s jading me a bit

    Both are monumental you know were you were hearing the news ... I was and am deeply impacted all day ... I will be for a while

    This is so devastating on so many levels ...

    Magic’s announcement taught me be careful who you sleep with ...

    Kobe is a flat out tragedy ...

    What am I supposed to think?

    Fuck you for in any way suggesting that my feelings are right, wrong, or anything in between

    This sucks ... and I’ve been hurting all day ... and I will be hurting for a while

    It’s just bad ... so so bad
    there's no need to compare the two
    They are all tragic events

    But go ahead and post thoughts of those who really don’t know but are entertainers

    If that’s your takeaway ... you don’t fucking get it

    But that’s not that surprising
    There's no need to compare the two. They are both tragic events.
    Magic's was stunning. Groundbreaking to the extent the AIDs crisis hit a 'normal' person.

    Kobe's was just plain sadness. And to me, it wasn't just Kobe - it was the fact his daughter was with him.

    Two separate matters not really comparable.

    No question ... the only thing comparable was just how sudden and shocking the news was.

    Reggie Miller talked tonight about it being a moment in time that is a "shake moment" where so many (even those that could care less about basketball) are shaken to their core. He cited Lady Di's death. I'm sure for an older generation hearing about John Lennon's death likely fell in this range. Hearing stories from teacher's etc growing up about JFK's death and everybody knowing where they were with the news.

    A lot of people have had a lot of things to say ... but this is one that has made the most sense to me. It's so hard to comprehend in so many ways. It's so unbelievable that it has shook so many to the bones. Families are forever impacted.

    It's easy to cite all of the influence that Kobe could have impacted going forward (and he likely would have had a huge impact). Few are talking about John Altobelli and the influence that he has had in the California baseball community. But that's not what gets me ...

    It's that 3 young girls, with all of their hopes and dreams ahead of them, will not have the opportunity to pursue those dreams. That's heartbreaking.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,931

    Gladstone said:

    umm what

    teq there's no comparison even if we go with the whole HIV is a death sentence angle

    no comparison

    For real. A cancer diagnosis with a year to live isn’t even the same.
    A truly all time trash Tequilla take.
    Might as well throw Bill Simmons in there with me ... he said essentially everything I said

    But it's ok ... for some no matter what I say you'll find some way to tear it apart
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    It doesn’t matter at this point

    What matters is families were ripped apart at their core

    And way down the pecking order the world of basketball lost an influencer that had the power to influence both men’s and women’s basketball going forward in a profound way

    For as great as Kobe was on the court ... he held the power to be a greater influence off of it

    It’s beyond a sad day ...

    And fuck anybody that wants to come out with a “I seen it” perspective

    Precisely why I can't figure out why anyone would say the day Magic retired was a sadder day.

    You know anyone who tweeted that?

    I can’t speak to anyone’s age

    In 1991 HIV was a death sentence ...

    Magic was an active player coming off a trip to the Finals ...

    Kobe was retired ...

    I’m gutted by all the children involved as it’s beyond horrible

    I don’t know how you compare the two ...

    I wasn’t yet a teenager for Magic ... I’m in my 40s for Kobe ... maybe that’s jading me a bit

    Both are monumental you know were you were hearing the news ... I was and am deeply impacted all day ... I will be for a while

    This is so devastating on so many levels ...

    Magic’s announcement taught me be careful who you sleep with ...

    Kobe is a flat out tragedy ...

    What am I supposed to think?

    Fuck you for in any way suggesting that my feelings are right, wrong, or anything in between

    This sucks ... and I’ve been hurting all day ... and I will be hurting for a while

    It’s just bad ... so so bad
    there's no need to compare the two
    They are all tragic events

    But go ahead and post thoughts of those who really don’t know but are entertainers

    If that’s your takeaway ... you don’t fucking get it

    But that’s not that surprising
    There's no need to compare the two. They are both tragic events.
    Magic's was stunning. Groundbreaking to the extent the AIDs crisis hit a 'normal' person.

    Kobe's was just plain sadness. And to me, it wasn't just Kobe - it was the fact his daughter was with him.

    Two separate matters not really comparable.

    No question ... the only thing comparable was just how sudden and shocking the news was.

    Reggie Miller talked tonight about it being a moment in time that is a "shake moment" where so many (even those that could care less about basketball) are shaken to their core. He cited Lady Di's death. I'm sure for an older generation hearing about John Lennon's death likely fell in this range. Hearing stories from teacher's etc growing up about JFK's death and everybody knowing where they were with the news.

    A lot of people have had a lot of things to say ... but this is one that has made the most sense to me. It's so hard to comprehend in so many ways. It's so unbelievable that it has shook so many to the bones. Families are forever impacted.

    It's easy to cite all of the influence that Kobe could have impacted going forward (and he likely would have had a huge impact). Few are talking about John Altobelli and the influence that he has had in the California baseball community. But that's not what gets me ...

    It's that 3 young girls, with all of their hopes and dreams ahead of them, will not have the opportunity to pursue those dreams. That's heartbreaking.
    Come on dude.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,931

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    It doesn’t matter at this point

    What matters is families were ripped apart at their core

    And way down the pecking order the world of basketball lost an influencer that had the power to influence both men’s and women’s basketball going forward in a profound way

    For as great as Kobe was on the court ... he held the power to be a greater influence off of it

    It’s beyond a sad day ...

    And fuck anybody that wants to come out with a “I seen it” perspective

    Precisely why I can't figure out why anyone would say the day Magic retired was a sadder day.

    You know anyone who tweeted that?

    I can’t speak to anyone’s age

    In 1991 HIV was a death sentence ...

    Magic was an active player coming off a trip to the Finals ...

    Kobe was retired ...

    I’m gutted by all the children involved as it’s beyond horrible

    I don’t know how you compare the two ...

    I wasn’t yet a teenager for Magic ... I’m in my 40s for Kobe ... maybe that’s jading me a bit

    Both are monumental you know were you were hearing the news ... I was and am deeply impacted all day ... I will be for a while

    This is so devastating on so many levels ...

    Magic’s announcement taught me be careful who you sleep with ...

    Kobe is a flat out tragedy ...

    What am I supposed to think?

    Fuck you for in any way suggesting that my feelings are right, wrong, or anything in between

    This sucks ... and I’ve been hurting all day ... and I will be hurting for a while

    It’s just bad ... so so bad
    there's no need to compare the two
    They are all tragic events

    But go ahead and post thoughts of those who really don’t know but are entertainers

    If that’s your takeaway ... you don’t fucking get it

    But that’s not that surprising
    There's no need to compare the two. They are both tragic events.
    Magic's was stunning. Groundbreaking to the extent the AIDs crisis hit a 'normal' person.

    Kobe's was just plain sadness. And to me, it wasn't just Kobe - it was the fact his daughter was with him.

    Two separate matters not really comparable.

    No question ... the only thing comparable was just how sudden and shocking the news was.

    Reggie Miller talked tonight about it being a moment in time that is a "shake moment" where so many (even those that could care less about basketball) are shaken to their core. He cited Lady Di's death. I'm sure for an older generation hearing about John Lennon's death likely fell in this range. Hearing stories from teacher's etc growing up about JFK's death and everybody knowing where they were with the news.

    A lot of people have had a lot of things to say ... but this is one that has made the most sense to me. It's so hard to comprehend in so many ways. It's so unbelievable that it has shook so many to the bones. Families are forever impacted.

    It's easy to cite all of the influence that Kobe could have impacted going forward (and he likely would have had a huge impact). Few are talking about John Altobelli and the influence that he has had in the California baseball community. But that's not what gets me ...

    It's that 3 young girls, with all of their hopes and dreams ahead of them, will not have the opportunity to pursue those dreams. That's heartbreaking.
    Come on dude.
    Enlightening
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    EwaDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    It doesn’t matter at this point

    What matters is families were ripped apart at their core

    And way down the pecking order the world of basketball lost an influencer that had the power to influence both men’s and women’s basketball going forward in a profound way

    For as great as Kobe was on the court ... he held the power to be a greater influence off of it

    It’s beyond a sad day ...

    And fuck anybody that wants to come out with a “I seen it” perspective

    Precisely why I can't figure out why anyone would say the day Magic retired was a sadder day.

    You know anyone who tweeted that?

    I can’t speak to anyone’s age

    In 1991 HIV was a death sentence ...

    Magic was an active player coming off a trip to the Finals ...

    Kobe was retired ...

    I’m gutted by all the children involved as it’s beyond horrible

    I don’t know how you compare the two ...

    I wasn’t yet a teenager for Magic ... I’m in my 40s for Kobe ... maybe that’s jading me a bit

    Both are monumental you know were you were hearing the news ... I was and am deeply impacted all day ... I will be for a while

    This is so devastating on so many levels ...

    Magic’s announcement taught me be careful who you sleep with ...

    Kobe is a flat out tragedy ...

    What am I supposed to think?

    Fuck you for in any way suggesting that my feelings are right, wrong, or anything in between

    This sucks ... and I’ve been hurting all day ... and I will be hurting for a while

    It’s just bad ... so so bad
    there's no need to compare the two
    They are all tragic events

    But go ahead and post thoughts of those who really don’t know but are entertainers

    If that’s your takeaway ... you don’t fucking get it

    But that’s not that surprising
    There's no need to compare the two. They are both tragic events.
    Magic's was stunning. Groundbreaking to the extent the AIDs crisis hit a 'normal' person.

    Kobe's was just plain sadness. And to me, it wasn't just Kobe - it was the fact his daughter was with him.

    Two separate matters not really comparable.

    No question ... the only thing comparable was just how sudden and shocking the news was.

    Reggie Miller talked tonight about it being a moment in time that is a "shake moment" where so many (even those that could care less about basketball) are shaken to their core. He cited Lady Di's death. I'm sure for an older generation hearing about John Lennon's death likely fell in this range. Hearing stories from teacher's etc growing up about JFK's death and everybody knowing where they were with the news.

    A lot of people have had a lot of things to say ... but this is one that has made the most sense to me. It's so hard to comprehend in so many ways. It's so unbelievable that it has shook so many to the bones. Families are forever impacted.

    It's easy to cite all of the influence that Kobe could have impacted going forward (and he likely would have had a huge impact). Few are talking about John Altobelli and the influence that he has had in the California baseball community. But that's not what gets me ...

    It's that 3 young girls, with all of their hopes and dreams ahead of them, will not have the opportunity to pursue those dreams. That's heartbreaking.
    Come on dude.
    Enlightening
    Just as enlightening as saying three young, talented girls dying is tragic. We know that.
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