Imagine hating Trump so much that you find yourself siding with the Iranians
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Good god you're a naive dipshit. Do you really believe what you just wrote?dhdawg said:
the nuclear deal ended Iran's nuclear weapons program. that was the solution, not a never ending US presence in the middle eastPurpleBaze said:
Don't deflect.dhdawg said:PurpleBaze said:
President-elects can be idealistic and often times they can't accomplish all that they want. Just ask Obama.dhdawg said:
you argument is that we need to keep getting more involved in order to mitigate the damage that we did by getting involved in the first place.PurpleBaze said:
Yes, the US was duped by the Brits to help get rid of Mosaddegh in the 50's. That was a huge blunder on the part of the Eisenhower administration. Mosaddegh nationalized the Iranian oil and the Brits wanted to take back control of the oil facilities there.dhdawg said:
the answer is yes, it started with a CIA coup in the 50's.BleachedAnusDawg said:
The only reason Iran hates the US is because we're in the Middle East? Is this a serious post?dhdawg said:fucking childish bullshit. the only reason there are "sides" is because we are there in the first place.
Why are we in Iraq in the first place. if we simply just pulled out the threat would be gone. But keep cheering on the war machine.
It doesn't much matter now why we? are in Iraq. The bottom line is that the US now has a presence in Iraq. Why the fuck is Iran meddling in Iraq with Iran's own version of Schutzstaffel? The Revolutionary Guard started as a bunch of rag-tag wannabes in the early days of the current regime. Over the years, they were converted into an organized and trained military branch. They are not that much better than the SS. Why are they trying to stir the shit in Iraq?
Do you seriously think that if the US pulled out of Iraq that the threat would be gone? Iran would like nothing more than to have a larger footprint in the region. The US fucked up the war in Iraq. We? didn't go far enough, in effect destabilizing the country and then resting on our laurels while Islamic State flourished, while the previous president called them the "JV team".
No one is cheering the war machine, especially not me. But, certain things need to be dealt with swiftly and with a lot of force. When it comes to Middle East countries, the more force the better. They will actually respect you then.
Endless war that Trump once pretended to be against.
You can be anti-war all you want, but unfortunately the world is a dynamic place and there are too many Khameneis out there. Again, why is the US meddling in Iraq? If a country like the US would actually mind its own business and pull out, then there would be no need for the Iran to take action. I'm not a fan of the religious extremists in Iran, but they has shown a lot of restraint with the US.
GWB's war on Iraq was unjustified and was done on a budget. I'm not arguing that. It's just one of the cards in the hand that was dealt to Obama and now Trump.
No secret that Iran hates US's presence in Iraq. Before that, they hated Saddam.
Bottom line is that Iran doesn't like having a powerful adversary next door. Iran needs to be held in check. Unless you trust Khamenei with nukes.
What would you say if Iran launched nukes? I'm sure you would criticize Trump for not doing anything when he had the chance.
US could pull out of Iraq, but that won't change anything.
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@ThomasFremont
Iran having nukes is not a good thing for the world
Obama bribed them to stop. There is a lot of evidence Iran did not stop enriching uranium in facilities deep in the mountains. This is a country that is an extremely violent theocracy and pariah state in the world stage. The kind of country you could maybe see hitting launch on nukes aimed towards Saudi Arabia, Isreal, and the US.
There is a reason the government of Isreal and Saudi Arabia hates Iran more than each other
Saudi Arabia is backwards in many ways, but is a Muslim majority country that is mostly friendly with us. That is incredibly important in that area. SA leadership and Royal Family likes luxury more than religion.
Iran, not so much. The Ayatollah could pray and come to the conclusion nukes need to be launched tomorrow because of religion.
This type of country can't really be trusted -
100% agree.PostGameOrangeSlices said:@ThomasFremont
Iran having nukes is not a good thing for the world
Obama bribed them to stop. There is a lot of evidence Iran did not stop enriching uranium in facilities deep in the mountains. This is a country that is an extremely violent theocracy and pariah state in the world stage. The kind of country you could maybe see hitting launch on nukes aimed towards Saudi Arabia, Isreal, and the US.
There is a reason the government of Isreal and Saudi Arabia hates Iran more than each other
Saudi Arabia is backwards in many ways, but is a Muslim majority country that is mostly friendly with us. That is incredibly important in that area. SA leadership and Royal Family likes luxury more than religion.
Iran, not so much. The Ayatollah could pray and come to the conclusion nukes need to be launched tomorrow because of religion.
This type of country can't really be trusted
So what’s the plan? Does killing that asshole stop their nuke program? Nope.
In fact I’d argue it pushes them even harder to weaponize and develop a deterrent.
So I ask again, what’s the plan for stopping the actual problem? -
no there fucking isn'tPostGameOrangeSlices said:@ThomasFremont
Iran having nukes is not a good thing for the world
Obama bribed them to stop. There is a lot of evidence Iran did not stop enriching uranium in facilities deep in the mountains. This is a country that is an extremely violent theocracy and pariah state in the world stage. The kind of country you could maybe see hitting launch on nukes aimed towards Saudi Arabia, Isreal, and the US.
There is a reason the government of Isreal and Saudi Arabia hates Iran more than each other
Saudi Arabia is backwards in many ways, but is a Muslim majority country that is mostly friendly with us. That is incredibly important in that area. SA leadership and Royal Family likes luxury more than religion.
Iran, not so much. The Ayatollah could pray and come to the conclusion nukes need to be launched tomorrow because of religion.
This type of country can't really be trusted
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Iran has a history of doing it:dhdawg said:
no there fucking isn'tPostGameOrangeSlices said:@ThomasFremont
Iran having nukes is not a good thing for the world
Obama bribed them to stop. There is a lot of evidence Iran did not stop enriching uranium in facilities deep in the mountains. This is a country that is an extremely violent theocracy and pariah state in the world stage. The kind of country you could maybe see hitting launch on nukes aimed towards Saudi Arabia, Isreal, and the US.
There is a reason the government of Isreal and Saudi Arabia hates Iran more than each other
Saudi Arabia is backwards in many ways, but is a Muslim majority country that is mostly friendly with us. That is incredibly important in that area. SA leadership and Royal Family likes luxury more than religion.
Iran, not so much. The Ayatollah could pray and come to the conclusion nukes need to be launched tomorrow because of religion.
This type of country can't really be trusted
https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/violation-of-treaties
And currently, Iran is not allowing neutral inspectors. So we are just taking them at their word.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/national-security/355949-iran-is-violating-the-deal?amp
That source is even anti Trump, from the Hill, and says Iran is going to get nukes and is violating the treaty.
There's a word for thinkers like you. It's called naive.
Hell, if I was an Iran government figure Id desperately want nukes too. They are surrounded by enemies. They are the only Shia power in the world, essentially. Even if they don't want to be the aggressor they are a good insurance policy to prevent attacks ala Iraq. 5th biggest military in the world steam rolled in a couple days.
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Sounds like Iraq in 2002PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Iran has a history of doing it:dhdawg said:
no there fucking isn'tPostGameOrangeSlices said:@ThomasFremont
Iran having nukes is not a good thing for the world
Obama bribed them to stop. There is a lot of evidence Iran did not stop enriching uranium in facilities deep in the mountains. This is a country that is an extremely violent theocracy and pariah state in the world stage. The kind of country you could maybe see hitting launch on nukes aimed towards Saudi Arabia, Isreal, and the US.
There is a reason the government of Isreal and Saudi Arabia hates Iran more than each other
Saudi Arabia is backwards in many ways, but is a Muslim majority country that is mostly friendly with us. That is incredibly important in that area. SA leadership and Royal Family likes luxury more than religion.
Iran, not so much. The Ayatollah could pray and come to the conclusion nukes need to be launched tomorrow because of religion.
This type of country can't really be trusted
https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/violation-of-treaties
And currently, Iran is not allowing neutral inspectors. So we are just taking them at their word.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/national-security/355949-iran-is-violating-the-deal?amp
That source is even anti Trump, from the Hill, and says Iran is going to get nukes and is violating the treaty.
There's a word for thinkers like you. It's called naive.
Hell, if I was an Iran government figure Id desperately want nukes too. They are surrounded by enemies. They are the only Shia power in the world, essentially. Even if they don't want to be the aggressor they are a good insurance policy to prevent attacks ala Iraq. 5th biggest military in the world steam rolled in a couple days. -
They were part of the Husky Half Brain Revolution. Doesn't that count?PurpleBaze said:And I like how a couple of soft pussies who have never lived in a country that went through a revolution and a war try to lecture me about this shit.
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so no evidence.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Iran has a history of doing it:dhdawg said:
no there fucking isn'tPostGameOrangeSlices said:@ThomasFremont
Iran having nukes is not a good thing for the world
Obama bribed them to stop. There is a lot of evidence Iran did not stop enriching uranium in facilities deep in the mountains. This is a country that is an extremely violent theocracy and pariah state in the world stage. The kind of country you could maybe see hitting launch on nukes aimed towards Saudi Arabia, Isreal, and the US.
There is a reason the government of Isreal and Saudi Arabia hates Iran more than each other
Saudi Arabia is backwards in many ways, but is a Muslim majority country that is mostly friendly with us. That is incredibly important in that area. SA leadership and Royal Family likes luxury more than religion.
Iran, not so much. The Ayatollah could pray and come to the conclusion nukes need to be launched tomorrow because of religion.
This type of country can't really be trusted
https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/violation-of-treaties
And currently, Iran is not allowing neutral inspectors. So we are just taking them at their word.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/national-security/355949-iran-is-violating-the-deal?amp
That source is even anti Trump, from the Hill, and says Iran is going to get nukes and is violating the treaty.
There's a word for thinkers like you. It's called naive.
Hell, if I was an Iran government figure Id desperately want nukes too. They are surrounded by enemies. They are the only Shia power in the world, essentially. Even if they don't want to be the aggressor they are a good insurance policy to prevent attacks ala Iraq. 5th biggest military in the world steam rolled in a couple days.
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