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Well Passion, if you are talking about extremes, yes they exist. However,I don't think I have ever heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda. There are many conservatives that are not Christian. But the media and left stereotypes conservatives and Republicans as Christian, racist, and wealthy by birthright or illiterate rednecks. I think many on the left need to examine their own prejudices and stereotypes before casting stones at others. Some of the most thoughtful people I know are atheists who don't have an agenda but certainly lean right. People who aren't afraid to tell the truth, yet when they do, the left wants to label them as racist, intolerant, xenophobic, etc.
The two most racist public figures in the nation are the "Reverends" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They have no interest in helping minorities, only stiring up racial strife and keeping it alive to line their own pockets. If you want to talk about hypocrites, you don't need to look much further. For every Ralph Reed (is he even relevant anymore), there is an Al Sharpton.
And the left certainly has a version of "you're going to hell of y don't believe like I do". It's "you're a bad person if your don't believe like I do".
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Aye aye aye. Where to begin. First off, let's go back 50 years. It's no wonder that the south suddenly flipped from Democrat to Republican after passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by a Democrat President - LBJ. And these are the people that occupy "the Bible belt."MikeDamone said:Well Passion, if you are talking about extremes, yes they exist. However,I don't think I have ever heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda. There are many conservatives that are not Christian. But the media and left stereotypes conservatives and Republicans as Christian, racist, and wealthy by birthright or illiterate rednecks. I think many on the left need to examine their own prejudices and stereotypes before casting stones at others. Some of the most thoughtful people I know are atheists who don't have an agenda but certainly lean right. People who aren't afraid to tell the truth, yet when they do, the left wants to label them as racist, intolerant, xenophobic, etc.
The two most racist public figures in the nation are the "Reverends" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They have no interest in helping minorities, only stiring up racial strife and keeping it alive to line their own pockets. If you want to talk about hypocrites, you don't need to look much further. For every Ralph Reed (is he even relevant anymore), there is an Al Sharpton.
And the left certainly has a version of "you're going to hell of y don't believe like I do". It's "you're a bad person if your don't believe like I do".
You've never heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda? Allow me to evict you from the rock you've been living under. "Godless is about the underlying mental disease that creates liberalism." So, liberals are "Godless." How about this quote to justify imposing Christianity on others: "We just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is." All of these quotes (and many others) are basically saying that "Christians" share her insane right-wing beliefs, and that to be Christian means to be Republican.
Here is another example of using Christianity to further an agenda: Perhaps the greatest crime by hard right Christian conservative leaders (again, I'm a Christian, but not a wacko) is the way they dupe poor white people in the south. They hide behind the Bible and talk about "northern elitists," when they do everything they can to undermine the quality of life of the very people that elect them. How? They try to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. "Cutting taxes" on who? When you cut income taxes, the revenue must be made up elsewhere, so what happens? Taxes on gasoline, license tabs, groceries, and everything else that the average American consumes in his/her daily life.
Jesse Jackson's worse crime is that he is a grandstander, and an opportunist, especially when race is NOT an issue. He uses his own people to acquire wealth. Al Sharpton use to do that. Not as much recently. Now, I don't know Jackson, but Sharpton is all around DC, and few people (if any that have met him) consider him a racist. However, if you're going to write the history of a man's life, then let's be fair. Jackson did a great deal during the civil rights movement and afterward to advance the cause of equality. A great deal. Definitely a mixed bag with him.
And I completely disagree that for every Ralph Reed there is an Al Sharpton. I just watched on TV this thing called the "Conservative Political Action Conference." You know, the one that didn't invite Chris Christie because he had the audacity to thank President Obama for helping his state. There are far more Ralph Reeds than Al Sharptons. Come to a tea party rally in DC. They're both sad and humorous.
Look, if you want to get angry at somebody for painting Christians in a negative light, don't point fingers at the "media." You're better off pointing to the right wing extrimists like Ann Coulter and the leaders of the tea party. THEY are the reason that Republicans have suffered setbacks in recent elections, and are seen as out of touch. As long as they give the press (except the completely neutral Fox News, of course eh hem) ammunition, people will fire. They shoot themselves in the foot with their ridiculous comments about "legitimate rape," and that people are going to hell for supporting marriage equality. -
Jesse Jackson's crimes are far worse than grandstanding. He does more to keep minorities in the position of victim, to remain powerless, to remain in a state of dependence, than the the worst racist couldn't even dream about. And it's sickening he does it to line his hypocritical pockets. That you can't see that so all we need to know
I could write a TL;DR post on how wrong you are about taxes. The starting point is too basic that ain't no one got time for that.
Btw, I'm not angry. Keep your assumptions in check. -
Oh, by the way. Look what I found in the news today. Actually, these quotes don't even surprise me any more: nydailynews.com/news/politics/gop-congressman-refers-wetbacks-father-ranch-article-1.1302370
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And the more you focus on guys like this, the less time you spend engaging the real/root problems affecting minorities.Passion said:Oh, by the way. Look what I found in the news today. Actually, these quotes don't even surprise me any more: nydailynews.com/news/politics/gop-congressman-refers-wetbacks-father-ranch-article-1.1302370
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Yes.Passion said:
Aye aye aye. Where to begin. First off, let's go back 50 years. It's no wonder that the south suddenly flipped from Democrat to Republican after passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by a Democrat President - LBJ. And these are the people that occupy "the Bible belt."MikeDamone said:Well Passion, if you are talking about extremes, yes they exist. However,I don't think I have ever heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda. There are many conservatives that are not Christian. But the media and left stereotypes conservatives and Republicans as Christian, racist, and wealthy by birthright or illiterate rednecks. I think many on the left need to examine their own prejudices and stereotypes before casting stones at others. Some of the most thoughtful people I know are atheists who don't have an agenda but certainly lean right. People who aren't afraid to tell the truth, yet when they do, the left wants to label them as racist, intolerant, xenophobic, etc.
The two most racist public figures in the nation are the "Reverends" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They have no interest in helping minorities, only stiring up racial strife and keeping it alive to line their own pockets. If you want to talk about hypocrites, you don't need to look much further. For every Ralph Reed (is he even relevant anymore), there is an Al Sharpton.
And the left certainly has a version of "you're going to hell of y don't believe like I do". It's "you're a bad person if your don't believe like I do".
You've never heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda? Allow me to evict you from the rock you've been living under. "Godless is about the underlying mental disease that creates liberalism." So, liberals are "Godless." How about this quote to justify imposing Christianity on others: "We just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is." All of these quotes (and many others) are basically saying that "Christians" share her insane right-wing beliefs, and that to be Christian means to be Republican.
Here is another example of using Christianity to further an agenda: Perhaps the greatest crime by hard right Christian conservative leaders (again, I'm a Christian, but not a wacko) is the way they dupe poor white people in the south. They hide behind the Bible and talk about "northern elitists," when they do everything they can to undermine the quality of life of the very people that elect them. How? They try to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. "Cutting taxes" on who? When you cut income taxes, the revenue must be made up elsewhere, so what happens? Taxes on gasoline, license tabs, groceries, and everything else that the average American consumes in his/her daily life.
Jesse Jackson's worse crime is that he is a grandstander, and an opportunist, especially when race is NOT an issue. He uses his own people to acquire wealth. Al Sharpton use to do that. Not as much recently. Now, I don't know Jackson, but Sharpton is all around DC, and few people (if any that have met him) consider him a racist. However, if you're going to write the history of a man's life, then let's be fair. Jackson did a great deal during the civil rights movement and afterward to advance the cause of equality. A great deal. Definitely a mixed bag with him.
And I completely disagree that for every Ralph Reed there is an Al Sharpton. I just watched on TV this thing called the "Conservative Political Action Conference." You know, the one that didn't invite Chris Christie because he had the audacity to thank President Obama for helping his state. There are far more Ralph Reeds than Al Sharptons. Come to a tea party rally in DC. They're both sad and humorous.
Look, if you want to get angry at somebody for painting Christians in a negative light, don't point fingers at the "media." You're better off pointing to the right wing extrimists like Ann Coulter and the leaders of the tea party. THEY are the reason that Republicans have suffered setbacks in recent elections, and are seen as out of touch. As long as they give the press (except the completely neutral Fox News, of course eh hem) ammunition, people will fire. They shoot themselves in the foot with their ridiculous comments about "legitimate rape," and that people are going to hell for supporting marriage equality.
Ann Coulter is a miserable, reactionary cunt. I doubt she's like this in real life, but it doesn't really matter. Man hard right conservatives eat her "musings" up.
Regarding taxes, you hit the nail on the head. Every single American needs to understand this. The rich were taxed at a much higher rate in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. So were corporations. The economy still grew. GDP was fine. For the most part, the US ddi fine and was, if anything, even more dominant. The sky didn't fall. And guess what, the debt was not a problem then. The middle class was much stronger. Single earner (the man, not the woman) households were common. Guys working pedestrian jobs could afford to buy second homes, albeit modest ones. But the powers that be have tricked this mass population you mentioned into voting against their economic interests with god, guns, and gays.
Nowadays you're an elitist if you mention evolution and dare to ask the real elites to pay three percent more in income tax. -
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Fire Marshall Bill! My Dawg! If only more people knew the evolution that has taken place. Shifting the tax burden to middle income earners has been a consistent strategy, and one that people are too 'thick' to understand. It's simply too complex. Oh, and when Bill Clinton raised taxes on upper income earners in 1993, what happened? Did it tank like Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, and Bob Dole predicted. Not quite...the economy exploded. The largest peacetime expansion since WWII.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Yes.Passion said:
Aye aye aye. Where to begin. First off, let's go back 50 years. It's no wonder that the south suddenly flipped from Democrat to Republican after passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by a Democrat President - LBJ. And these are the people that occupy "the Bible belt."MikeDamone said:Well Passion, if you are talking about extremes, yes they exist. However,I don't think I have ever heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda. There are many conservatives that are not Christian. But the media and left stereotypes conservatives and Republicans as Christian, racist, and wealthy by birthright or illiterate rednecks. I think many on the left need to examine their own prejudices and stereotypes before casting stones at others. Some of the most thoughtful people I know are atheists who don't have an agenda but certainly lean right. People who aren't afraid to tell the truth, yet when they do, the left wants to label them as racist, intolerant, xenophobic, etc.
The two most racist public figures in the nation are the "Reverends" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They have no interest in helping minorities, only stiring up racial strife and keeping it alive to line their own pockets. If you want to talk about hypocrites, you don't need to look much further. For every Ralph Reed (is he even relevant anymore), there is an Al Sharpton.
And the left certainly has a version of "you're going to hell of y don't believe like I do". It's "you're a bad person if your don't believe like I do".
You've never heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda? Allow me to evict you from the rock you've been living under. "Godless is about the underlying mental disease that creates liberalism." So, liberals are "Godless." How about this quote to justify imposing Christianity on others: "We just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is." All of these quotes (and many others) are basically saying that "Christians" share her insane right-wing beliefs, and that to be Christian means to be Republican.
Here is another example of using Christianity to further an agenda: Perhaps the greatest crime by hard right Christian conservative leaders (again, I'm a Christian, but not a wacko) is the way they dupe poor white people in the south. They hide behind the Bible and talk about "northern elitists," when they do everything they can to undermine the quality of life of the very people that elect them. How? They try to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. "Cutting taxes" on who? When you cut income taxes, the revenue must be made up elsewhere, so what happens? Taxes on gasoline, license tabs, groceries, and everything else that the average American consumes in his/her daily life.
Jesse Jackson's worse crime is that he is a grandstander, and an opportunist, especially when race is NOT an issue. He uses his own people to acquire wealth. Al Sharpton use to do that. Not as much recently. Now, I don't know Jackson, but Sharpton is all around DC, and few people (if any that have met him) consider him a racist. However, if you're going to write the history of a man's life, then let's be fair. Jackson did a great deal during the civil rights movement and afterward to advance the cause of equality. A great deal. Definitely a mixed bag with him.
And I completely disagree that for every Ralph Reed there is an Al Sharpton. I just watched on TV this thing called the "Conservative Political Action Conference." You know, the one that didn't invite Chris Christie because he had the audacity to thank President Obama for helping his state. There are far more Ralph Reeds than Al Sharptons. Come to a tea party rally in DC. They're both sad and humorous.
Look, if you want to get angry at somebody for painting Christians in a negative light, don't point fingers at the "media." You're better off pointing to the right wing extrimists like Ann Coulter and the leaders of the tea party. THEY are the reason that Republicans have suffered setbacks in recent elections, and are seen as out of touch. As long as they give the press (except the completely neutral Fox News, of course eh hem) ammunition, people will fire. They shoot themselves in the foot with their ridiculous comments about "legitimate rape," and that people are going to hell for supporting marriage equality.
Ann Coulter is a miserable, reactionary cunt. I doubt she's like this in real life, but it doesn't really matter. Man hard right conservatives eat her "musings" up.
Regarding taxes, you hit the nail on the head. Every single American needs to understand this. The rich were taxed at a much higher rate in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. So were corporations. The economy still grew. GDP was fine. For the most part, the US ddi fine and was, if anything, even more dominant. The sky didn't fall. And guess what, the debt was not a problem then. The middle class was much stronger. Single earner (the man, not the woman) households were common. Guys working pedestrian jobs could afford to buy second homes, albeit modest ones. But the powers that be have tricked this mass population you mentioned into voting against their economic interests with god, guns, and gays.
Nowadays you're an elitist if you mention evolution and dare to ask the real elites to pay three percent more in income tax.
The three G's (God, gays, guns) is pretty basic, and they understand the word "tax." But they don't know how "cutting taxes" effects them. 'Uhhh...which taxes will be cut, and how do you propose that we make up the revenue?' Then you get a vague answer about cutting government spending.
'Uhh...cut spending where?' Well, they know that they can't cut spending enough to make up for all of their proposed tax cuts, so the deficit and debt explode (as it did after the Bush tax cuts), and they'll gradually allow state and local municipalities to increase taxes on things that average people purchase and need every day.
And if Paul Ryan and his gestapo did have their way, Medicaid would be gone, and Social Security recipients would have put all of their reliance into the stock market (how would that have worked out in 2008?).
But that's Ok, as long as you get to have your guns, and you get a representative that prays and doesn't like gays, that's all that matters I guess. Wealthy republicans must laugh at the poor saps that vote republican. When it comes to healthcare, education, veterans benefits, and a host of other issues, they would be much better with Democrats in power...but heck, they you might have gays getting married. YIKES! -
If there was ever a time for that Adam Corrolla quote about Swastikas and Coexisting, this might be it.Passion said:
Fire Marshall Bill! My Dawg! If only more people knew the evolution that has taken place. Shifting the tax burden to middle income earners has been a consistent strategy, and one that people are too 'thick' to understand. It's simply too complex. Oh, and when Bill Clinton raised taxes on upper income earners in 1993, what happened? Did it tank like Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, and Bob Dole predicted. Not quite...the economy exploded. The largest peacetime expansion since WWII.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Yes.Passion said:
Aye aye aye. Where to begin. First off, let's go back 50 years. It's no wonder that the south suddenly flipped from Democrat to Republican after passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by a Democrat President - LBJ. And these are the people that occupy "the Bible belt."MikeDamone said:Well Passion, if you are talking about extremes, yes they exist. However,I don't think I have ever heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda. There are many conservatives that are not Christian. But the media and left stereotypes conservatives and Republicans as Christian, racist, and wealthy by birthright or illiterate rednecks. I think many on the left need to examine their own prejudices and stereotypes before casting stones at others. Some of the most thoughtful people I know are atheists who don't have an agenda but certainly lean right. People who aren't afraid to tell the truth, yet when they do, the left wants to label them as racist, intolerant, xenophobic, etc.
The two most racist public figures in the nation are the "Reverends" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They have no interest in helping minorities, only stiring up racial strife and keeping it alive to line their own pockets. If you want to talk about hypocrites, you don't need to look much further. For every Ralph Reed (is he even relevant anymore), there is an Al Sharpton.
And the left certainly has a version of "you're going to hell of y don't believe like I do". It's "you're a bad person if your don't believe like I do".
You've never heard Ann Coulter use Christianity to further an agenda? Allow me to evict you from the rock you've been living under. "Godless is about the underlying mental disease that creates liberalism." So, liberals are "Godless." How about this quote to justify imposing Christianity on others: "We just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is." All of these quotes (and many others) are basically saying that "Christians" share her insane right-wing beliefs, and that to be Christian means to be Republican.
Here is another example of using Christianity to further an agenda: Perhaps the greatest crime by hard right Christian conservative leaders (again, I'm a Christian, but not a wacko) is the way they dupe poor white people in the south. They hide behind the Bible and talk about "northern elitists," when they do everything they can to undermine the quality of life of the very people that elect them. How? They try to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. "Cutting taxes" on who? When you cut income taxes, the revenue must be made up elsewhere, so what happens? Taxes on gasoline, license tabs, groceries, and everything else that the average American consumes in his/her daily life.
Jesse Jackson's worse crime is that he is a grandstander, and an opportunist, especially when race is NOT an issue. He uses his own people to acquire wealth. Al Sharpton use to do that. Not as much recently. Now, I don't know Jackson, but Sharpton is all around DC, and few people (if any that have met him) consider him a racist. However, if you're going to write the history of a man's life, then let's be fair. Jackson did a great deal during the civil rights movement and afterward to advance the cause of equality. A great deal. Definitely a mixed bag with him.
And I completely disagree that for every Ralph Reed there is an Al Sharpton. I just watched on TV this thing called the "Conservative Political Action Conference." You know, the one that didn't invite Chris Christie because he had the audacity to thank President Obama for helping his state. There are far more Ralph Reeds than Al Sharptons. Come to a tea party rally in DC. They're both sad and humorous.
Look, if you want to get angry at somebody for painting Christians in a negative light, don't point fingers at the "media." You're better off pointing to the right wing extrimists like Ann Coulter and the leaders of the tea party. THEY are the reason that Republicans have suffered setbacks in recent elections, and are seen as out of touch. As long as they give the press (except the completely neutral Fox News, of course eh hem) ammunition, people will fire. They shoot themselves in the foot with their ridiculous comments about "legitimate rape," and that people are going to hell for supporting marriage equality.
Ann Coulter is a miserable, reactionary cunt. I doubt she's like this in real life, but it doesn't really matter. Man hard right conservatives eat her "musings" up.
Regarding taxes, you hit the nail on the head. Every single American needs to understand this. The rich were taxed at a much higher rate in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. So were corporations. The economy still grew. GDP was fine. For the most part, the US ddi fine and was, if anything, even more dominant. The sky didn't fall. And guess what, the debt was not a problem then. The middle class was much stronger. Single earner (the man, not the woman) households were common. Guys working pedestrian jobs could afford to buy second homes, albeit modest ones. But the powers that be have tricked this mass population you mentioned into voting against their economic interests with god, guns, and gays.
Nowadays you're an elitist if you mention evolution and dare to ask the real elites to pay three percent more in income tax.
The three G's (God, gays, guns) is pretty basic, and they understand the word "tax." But they don't know how "cutting taxes" effects them. 'Uhhh...which taxes will be cut, and how do you propose that we make up the revenue?' Then you get a vague answer about cutting government spending.
'Uhh...cut spending where?' Well, they know that they can't cut spending enough to make up for all of their proposed tax cuts, so the deficit and debt explode (as it did after the Bush tax cuts), and they'll gradually allow state and local municipalities to increase taxes on things that average people purchase and need every day.
And if Paul Ryan and his gestapo did have their way, Medicaid would be gone, and Social Security recipients would have put all of their reliance into the stock market (how would that have worked out in 2008?).
But that's Ok, as long as you get to have your guns, and you get a representative that prays and doesn't like gays, that's all that matters I guess. Wealthy republicans must laugh at the poor saps that vote republican. When it comes to healthcare, education, veterans benefits, and a host of other issues, they would be much better with Democrats in power...but heck, they you might have gays getting married. YIKES! -
Once Passion and Damone started going back and forth in earnest, it was inevitable that Godwin's Law would be enacted.
