Almost all the conservatives I know including myself were not for Trump. Trump became our choice after the primary. The only choice available. But as I've said before there people who hate Trump are who really made me good with that decision. If they all hated him he was who I wanted.
You didn't want Trump yet you stroke him off every day.
I simply kick haters teeth in. Big difference. Not happy with everything he's done but that's mostly appearance items.
Almost all the conservatives I know including myself were not for Trump. Trump became our choice after the primary. The only choice available. But as I've said before there people who hate Trump are who really made me good with that decision. If they all hated him he was who I wanted.
You didn't want Trump yet you stroke him off every day.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Telling China to play fair or fuck off is not "protectionist." Only dupes like CD believe that. It's about keeping the playing field at least a little bit level and just without giving away the store to an existential enemy which is currently flooding the U.S. with Fentanyl that's killing over 50k U.S. citizens per year and turning our cities into third-world shitholes.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Fair trade versus Free trade is a good start, with bilateral trade deals instead of giant, complicated multi-country trade deals overseen by corrupt international bureaucrats and courts. That's a good start.
And we could start getting out of our own way by dumping a lot of Marxist college professors and stop this "everyone needs to go to college" bullshit, which is burying young people in needless debt for worthless degrees that guarantees their support of socialist candidates because they'll never be able to repay their loans or provide for themselves. (Great Fucking Idea, Bernie!)
Agree with that too. Fair trade is fine; telling Nike to make their shoes in Kansas is another matter.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Fair trade versus Free trade is a good start, with bilateral trade deals instead of giant, complicated multi-country trade deals overseen by corrupt international bureaucrats and courts. That's a good start.
And we could start getting out of our own way by dumping a lot of Marxist college professors and stop this "everyone needs to go to college" bullshit, which is burying young people in needless debt for worthless degrees that guarantees their support of socialist candidates because they'll never be able to repay their loans or provide for themselves. (Great Fucking Idea, Bernie!)
Agree with that too. Fair trade is fine; telling Nike to make their shoes in Kansas is another matter.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
I support maximum tariffs against Nike. Fuck Phil Knight. And Fuck Oregon.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Fair trade versus Free trade is a good start, with bilateral trade deals instead of giant, complicated multi-country trade deals overseen by corrupt international bureaucrats and courts. That's a good start.
And we could start getting out of our own way by dumping a lot of Marxist college professors and stop this "everyone needs to go to college" bullshit, which is burying young people in needless debt for worthless degrees that guarantees their support of socialist candidates because they'll never be able to repay their loans or provide for themselves. (Great Fucking Idea, Bernie!)
Agree with that too. Fair trade is fine; telling Nike to make their shoes in Kansas is another matter.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
I support maximum tariffs against Nike. Fuck Phil Knight. And Fuck Oregon.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Fair trade versus Free trade is a good start, with bilateral trade deals instead of giant, complicated multi-country trade deals overseen by corrupt international bureaucrats and courts. That's a good start.
And we could start getting out of our own way by dumping a lot of Marxist college professors and stop this "everyone needs to go to college" bullshit, which is burying young people in needless debt for worthless degrees that guarantees their support of socialist candidates because they'll never be able to repay their loans or provide for themselves. (Great Fucking Idea, Bernie!)
Agree with that too. Fair trade is fine; telling Nike to make their shoes in Kansas is another matter.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
Both parties have scolded American workers for not re-training or not being skilled or educated enough. That's the fucking game that gets unwitting kids to borrow money and go to Tranny State where they get a degree in Gender Studies and wind up a cashier at Wal-Mart. And it's a far worse epidemic today than it was in the 80's or 90's where it wasn't all about selling worthless degrees for the highest possible price. And it's a great way to blame working class people for shit they had little to no part in.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Telling China to play fair or fuck off is not "protectionist." Only dupes like CD believe that. It's about keeping the playing field at least a little bit level and just without giving away the store to an existential enemy which is currently flooding the U.S. with Fentanyl that's killing over 50k U.S. citizens per year and turning our cities into third-world shitholes.
I didn't say it was. I am completely on board with China.
If this brand of populism stops there then fine. But what if China is brought in line and we still don't have a lower middle class workers paradise in the US? Where does the economic program go from there?
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Telling China to play fair or fuck off is not "protectionist." Only dupes like CD believe that. It's about keeping the playing field at least a little bit level and just without giving away the store to an existential enemy which is currently flooding the U.S. with Fentanyl that's killing over 50k U.S. citizens per year and turning our cities into third-world shitholes.
I didn't say it was. I am completely on board with China.
If this brand of populism stops there then fine. But what if China is brought in line and we still don't have a lower middle class workers paradise in the US? Where does the economic program go from there?
China today is like having a competitor in your industry who doesn't pay taxes. They get all the advantages and then some, and lie and steal on top of that. That has to end.
No, bringing China into line won't eliminate the economies of scale and neither will moving manufacturing from China to India. But moving some of that back to North America, such as in Mexico or Central America can solve a lot of expensive social problems the US has with countries in our region, ease disparities that cause overwhelming immigration problems, and better relations with our neighbors. As much as people used to complain about NAFTA, it actually did benefit Mexico quite a bit, which reduced net immigration from Mexico to almost zero. NTTAWW Messicans, but if home is better, more people will stay home and that can ease tensions and better living conditions in our region, which is very much in the self interest of the US for numerous different reasons.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Fair trade versus Free trade is a good start, with bilateral trade deals instead of giant, complicated multi-country trade deals overseen by corrupt international bureaucrats and courts. That's a good start.
And we could start getting out of our own way by dumping a lot of Marxist college professors and stop this "everyone needs to go to college" bullshit, which is burying young people in needless debt for worthless degrees that guarantees their support of socialist candidates because they'll never be able to repay their loans or provide for themselves. (Great Fucking Idea, Bernie!)
Agree with that too. Fair trade is fine; telling Nike to make their shoes in Kansas is another matter.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
It would be easier if loans weren't issued for worthless degrees.
Almost all the conservatives I know including myself were not for Trump. Trump became our choice after the primary. The only choice available. But as I've said before there people who hate Trump are who really made me good with that decision. If they all hated him he was who I wanted.
You didn't want Trump yet you stroke him off every day.
I simply kick haters teeth in. Big difference. Not happy with everything he's done but that's mostly appearance items.
Light years ahead of Obunghole.
Lol yet you repeat every ignorant conspiracy theory. And stroke Trump all day.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Fair trade versus Free trade is a good start, with bilateral trade deals instead of giant, complicated multi-country trade deals overseen by corrupt international bureaucrats and courts. That's a good start.
And we could start getting out of our own way by dumping a lot of Marxist college professors and stop this "everyone needs to go to college" bullshit, which is burying young people in needless debt for worthless degrees that guarantees their support of socialist candidates because they'll never be able to repay their loans or provide for themselves. (Great Fucking Idea, Bernie!)
Agree with that too. Fair trade is fine; telling Nike to make their shoes in Kansas is another matter.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
It would be easier if loans weren't issued for worthless degrees.
You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it!
Almost all the conservatives I know including myself were not for Trump. Trump became our choice after the primary. The only choice available. But as I've said before there people who hate Trump are who really made me good with that decision. If they all hated him he was who I wanted.
You didn't want Trump yet you stroke him off every day.
I simply kick haters teeth in. Big difference. Not happy with everything he's done but that's mostly appearance items.
Light years ahead of Obunghole.
Lol yet you repeat every ignorant conspiracy theory. And stroke Trump all day.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Telling China to play fair or fuck off is not "protectionist." Only dupes like CD believe that. It's about keeping the playing field at least a little bit level and just without giving away the store to an existential enemy which is currently flooding the U.S. with Fentanyl that's killing over 50k U.S. citizens per year and turning our cities into third-world shitholes.
I didn't say it was. I am completely on board with China.
If this brand of populism stops there then fine. But what if China is brought in line and we still don't have a lower middle class workers paradise in the US? Where does the economic program go from there?
China today is like having a competitor in your industry who doesn't pay taxes. They get all the advantages and then some, and lie and steal on top of that. That has to end.
No, bringing China into line won't eliminate the economies of scale and neither will moving manufacturing from China to India. But moving some of that back to North America, such as in Mexico or Central America can solve a lot of expensive social problems the US has with countries in our region, ease disparities that cause overwhelming immigration problems, and better relations with our neighbors. As much as people used to complain about NAFTA, it actually did benefit Mexico quite a bit, which reduced net immigration from Mexico to almost zero. NTTAWW Messicans, but if home is better, more people will stay home and that can ease tensions and better living conditions in our region, which is very much in the self interest of the US for numerous different reasons.
So much this! Free trade with allies has plenty of benefit beyond cheaper prices. China not so much. I don't bat an eye buying something made in Mexico, Japan or Germany. If it can be avoided without too much pain, I won't buy something made in China. Yes, I have an iPhone.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Fair trade versus Free trade is a good start, with bilateral trade deals instead of giant, complicated multi-country trade deals overseen by corrupt international bureaucrats and courts. That's a good start.
And we could start getting out of our own way by dumping a lot of Marxist college professors and stop this "everyone needs to go to college" bullshit, which is burying young people in needless debt for worthless degrees that guarantees their support of socialist candidates because they'll never be able to repay their loans or provide for themselves. (Great Fucking Idea, Bernie!)
Agree with that too. Fair trade is fine; telling Nike to make their shoes in Kansas is another matter.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
I support maximum tariffs against Nike. Fuck Phil Knight. And Fuck Oregon.
Bad example. You get my point.
You tee me up like that and don't expect me to swing?
Like putting meth in front of a Eugene guy. What do you think he's gonna do?
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Telling China to play fair or fuck off is not "protectionist." Only dupes like CD believe that. It's about keeping the playing field at least a little bit level and just without giving away the store to an existential enemy which is currently flooding the U.S. with Fentanyl that's killing over 50k U.S. citizens per year and turning our cities into third-world shitholes.
I didn't say it was. I am completely on board with China.
If this brand of populism stops there then fine. But what if China is brought in line and we still don't have a lower middle class workers paradise in the US? Where does the economic program go from there?
China today is like having a competitor in your industry who doesn't pay taxes. They get all the advantages and then some, and lie and steal on top of that. That has to end.
No, bringing China into line won't eliminate the economies of scale and neither will moving manufacturing from China to India. But moving some of that back to North America, such as in Mexico or Central America can solve a lot of expensive social problems the US has with countries in our region, ease disparities that cause overwhelming immigration problems, and better relations with our neighbors. As much as people used to complain about NAFTA, it actually did benefit Mexico quite a bit, which reduced net immigration from Mexico to almost zero. NTTAWW Messicans, but if home is better, more people will stay home and that can ease tensions and better living conditions in our region, which is very much in the self interest of the US for numerous different reasons.
So much this! Free trade with allies has plenty of benefit beyond cheaper prices. China not so much. I don't bat an eye buying something made in Mexico, Japan or Germany. If it can be avoided without too much pain, I won't buy something made in China. Yes, I have an iPhone.
CD is seething with jealousy right now. He rides more China cock than a Shanghai whore. This discussion cuts him to the bone.
The whole charade is about butthurt Hillary losers who can't accept the reality that they lost to a populist who rejected political correctness and obsessive self-criticism and loser-think in favor of a message that America is a Great and Generous Country if you get the fuck out of her way and let her do what she does best, without apologizing to the rest of the jealous world that surrounds her and wants to see her humbled. Trump gave a firm "Fuck You" to all of that and landed like a turd in the DC punch bowl and a grenade to DC elitism. That's why the liberal press, many republicans and every last democrat hate his guts and want him out, because he wrecked their rigged corrupt game. Talking about a possible investigation is now a High Crime or Misdemeanor? Fuck Off with that shit. He stepped outside the lines that the bureaucrats are used to and their biggest complaint is that his conduct is unusual compared to past presidents. Big. Fucking. Deal.
Agree with much of that, particularly the point that the movement really did need a guy like Trump. It was almost predicated on getting a guy like that ... the idea being that it would be someone who is not afraid to say "fuck off" w/o worrying about what favor it might cost him down the road.
Still, I'm left with a question about the movement, which your post elucidates: "getting out of [America's] way" means exactly what? No doubt it means cleaning up a lot of the shit on the floor from years of establishment politics. But, I ask in all sincerity, what is the economic long game? Are we playing with the nuclear codes? Is what ultimately makes America great not some romanticized idea about western "spirit" or the wisdom of a bunch of guys who have been dead for 220 years or the statue of liberty or anything else "patriotic", but rather our system of economy and the way we've paid fealty to capitalist principles for most of our country's history?
I'm on board with a lot of it. But I'm skeptical of protectionist policies and promises of recreating a big fat middle class on the back of a big manufacturing economy we may never see again.
Telling China to play fair or fuck off is not "protectionist." Only dupes like CD believe that. It's about keeping the playing field at least a little bit level and just without giving away the store to an existential enemy which is currently flooding the U.S. with Fentanyl that's killing over 50k U.S. citizens per year and turning our cities into third-world shitholes.
I didn't say it was. I am completely on board with China.
If this brand of populism stops there then fine. But what if China is brought in line and we still don't have a lower middle class workers paradise in the US? Where does the economic program go from there?
China today is like having a competitor in your industry who doesn't pay taxes. They get all the advantages and then some, and lie and steal on top of that. That has to end.
No, bringing China into line won't eliminate the economies of scale and neither will moving manufacturing from China to India. But moving some of that back to North America, such as in Mexico or Central America can solve a lot of expensive social problems the US has with countries in our region, ease disparities that cause overwhelming immigration problems, and better relations with our neighbors. As much as people used to complain about NAFTA, it actually did benefit Mexico quite a bit, which reduced net immigration from Mexico to almost zero. NTTAWW Messicans, but if home is better, more people will stay home and that can ease tensions and better living conditions in our region, which is very much in the self interest of the US for numerous different reasons.
So much this! Free trade with allies has plenty of benefit beyond cheaper prices. China not so much. I don't bat an eye buying something made in Mexico, Japan or Germany. If it can be avoided without too much pain, I won't buy something made in China. Yes, I have an iPhone.
This is also why Trump was a dumb-fuck to go after that MN judge as "Mexican" - like that wasn't gonna backfire.
Trump does a lot of dumb, clumsy, embarrassing shit and I wish he'd get the fuck off Twitter.
But his opposition is like the Stepford wives parading like zombies without a single idea to get excited about, seemingly already conceding the 2020 election unless the stain of "impeachment" can turn things around. And that is wholly pathetic to witness. As much as it pleases a superficial nit-wit like CD.
@creepycoug you have always seemed a fair, if swarthy, poster. How do you view this "court" assembled by Schiff? What about the evidence? You appear to be no fan of Trump, so I'd like your take on how this impeachment is being conducted. TIAFYS
I'll be honest here: for most of this investigation / witch hunt stuff, choose your term, I've tried to maintain an agnostic position on the facts because I'm not really in a position to know anything. I'm just here in Seattle, soaking wet, trying to pull off convincing everyone I'm a real lawyer. It's hard. That goes from SCOTUS hearings, Mueller and Russia to Ukraine Gate.
On Trump in general, I'm truly ambivalent. There's a lot of this neo-con platform I like and some I don't. As for Trump himself, I think he's a guy who's used to being a CEO-like figure and thus tends to default to doing whatever the fuck he wants to do. That all said, there no question in my mind that the left is fractured and phuked up; the centrists have lost and the party is now being run by a bunch of reactionary idiots who are easily lured into overplaying their hand to the point where they have no credibility. Do I believe that crowd is capable of staging a mob witch hunt and doing shit they shouldn't do and justify to themselves that the goal of "saving the country", which they're convinced they're doing, justifies their shady behavior? W/o question, yes, I believe that.
But as Yella pointed out, whatever Trump did, even the worst version of that is not Watergate-level and thus, on the basis of maintain some credibility in our processes he should not suffer as severe a fate as did Nixon. So if I had the deciding vote, based only what I know, I'd vote against impeachment, which, btw, would be a favor to the left.
On the blow by blow of Schiff and Jordan and this committee met in a basement and deep state this and Al Barr that, ... honestly I leave that for others to follow because I haven't the attention span for it. I'm 3500 miles away and don't have connections close enough to those circles to have any intel. As a pretend lawyer, it's drilled into your head in pretend law school to focus more on what you don't know than what you do know.
Trump is most definitely not a neo-con @creepycoug . I agree, however, that the ambivalent approach towards him is the only sane one. TDS and MAGA are both delusional.
He most definitely is, or at least we need to level set on nomenclature. And, let's not focus on what Trump may or may not believe deep down inside. Let's focus on his platform.
If you read or listen to Steve Bannon, that's it right there. It is neo-conservative populism, which entails a strong "American First" agenda. An agenda that means, among other things:
- Not the world's cop; let's pull of out of the middle east and quit poking our nose where it doesn't belong.
- We empathize with immigrants fleeing shit hole countries, but we need to shut that down and manage what we have here before revisiting allowing large numbers of people in save for maybe political asylum seekers (I assume the neo-cons are still amenable to real asylum). This is about both culture concerns and economics, with the latter getting most of the play, but the former the more or as important issue for a lot of people (Ann Coulter being one). Officially, it's about protecting worker's wages and is unapologetically protectionist. As Bannon has said himself, the establishment "free trade" conservatives are no better than the liberals and hate him as much as they do. This, right here, is where neo-con runs right into the face of old school con.
- Fair trade ... meaning a hard line on countries like China who are playing with a stacked deck, and thus an implied agenda to bring back manufacturing jobs
"You may not like neo-con populism, but if we don't enfranchise the working class in this country and do something about the elites (i.e. wealthy), you're going to get leftist populism, and they're not coming for your income; they're coming for your property."
You know I love this shit. There are really greats points of debate in all of that. What I'm left with, however, is this: what is the long-game economic platform?
Props for realizing that Bannon gets it way better than most pols or pundits.
Imagine how popular a kinder, gentler populism might be in the hands of a truly gifted politician might be.
That's Brussels talk, Yellow. Same shit the Brits said "Fuck Off" to.
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here?
I'm referring to a gifted politician- i.e., charismatic and w/o Trump's baggage and gaffes - running on basically Trump's platform, so some degree of protectionism, strong on border, and strong military but no interventionism. There's a 60% // Reagan 1984 landslide coalition that would vote for this. But Trump's not the guy to do it.
In other words Trump won by being Trump, but Trump can't get a landslide because he's well, Trump.
The EU is famous for all its polished candidates who spend most of their time trying to outshine each other with virtue signaling and faux diplomacy despite the fact they mostly hate each other. The "kinder-gentler" stuff, while made famous by Papa Bush, is actually very, very Seattle-like. Come come have a taste of that shit, and I promise you'll spit it out.
The model as always been there. Tuff with the ability to fight, but without all the carnival barker, huckster shit that turns so many off. Some say the style doesn't matter, and I'm saying it absolutely does.
What's funny about Reagan is how fondly he is now remembered by a majority of the country, when he was absolutely reviled by democrats back in the late 70s and early 80s, not only for being a turncoat against the Dems by switching parties, but for testifying against fellow Hollywood people before McCarthy's Committee on Un-American Activities in the 50s, and being a pretty poor actor among other undesirable traits. Big Government Dems thought Reagan was the Anti-Christ. Until the '84 Landslide, anyway.
And that's a fucking GREAT gif, btw. Excellent work, Yellow.
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Light years ahead of Obunghole.
Not everyone needs to go to college, agreed; but we probably need to really re-think our system and get away from "brand" (think elite) education and maybe look a model more akin to what Canada has. I say that because maybe what we need is greater access to post-secondary education that will prepare more people to contribute in an information and tech driven economy and world. We're not going to stop AI and automation. Not everyone needs to be comp sci engineer, but more people from, say, my home town, need more than a promise to return to a manufacturing economy that is gone for many reasons not necessarily related to China.
Both parties have scolded American workers for not re-training or not being skilled or educated enough. That's the fucking game that gets unwitting kids to borrow money and go to Tranny State where they get a degree in Gender Studies and wind up a cashier at Wal-Mart. And it's a far worse epidemic today than it was in the 80's or 90's where it wasn't all about selling worthless degrees for the highest possible price. And it's a great way to blame working class people for shit they had little to no part in.
If this brand of populism stops there then fine. But what if China is brought in line and we still don't have a lower middle class workers paradise in the US? Where does the economic program go from there?
No, bringing China into line won't eliminate the economies of scale and neither will moving manufacturing from China to India. But moving some of that back to North America, such as in Mexico or Central America can solve a lot of expensive social problems the US has with countries in our region, ease disparities that cause overwhelming immigration problems, and better relations with our neighbors. As much as people used to complain about NAFTA, it actually did benefit Mexico quite a bit, which reduced net immigration from Mexico to almost zero. NTTAWW Messicans, but if home is better, more people will stay home and that can ease tensions and better living conditions in our region, which is very much in the self interest of the US for numerous different reasons.
You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it!
(Presuming all have seen Network)
Like putting meth in front of a Eugene guy. What do you think he's gonna do?
This is also why Trump was a dumb-fuck to go after that MN judge as "Mexican" - like that wasn't gonna backfire.
Trump does a lot of dumb, clumsy, embarrassing shit and I wish he'd get the fuck off Twitter.
But his opposition is like the Stepford wives parading like zombies without a single idea to get excited about, seemingly already conceding the 2020 election unless the stain of "impeachment" can turn things around. And that is wholly pathetic to witness. As much as it pleases a superficial nit-wit like CD.
And that's a fucking GREAT gif, btw. Excellent work, Yellow.