One class of true freshmen is a hard sell for a quick turn around. Not saying they are fucked forever but they are fucked for awhile. I agree they are always one great coach away. As always
I don't see Carson Palmer on the roster.
There are two QBs on their roster with better numbers than Carson Palmer had before Carroll took over. Unless I'm wrong. Not gonna look.
Edit: Fuck it, I had to look. He was 55% and 16/18 TD/INT the year before Carroll took over, so I was right. Slovis and Daniels were both better their first years as starters.
One class of true freshmen is a hard sell for a quick turn around. Not saying they are fucked forever but they are fucked for awhile. I agree they are always one great coach away. As always
I don't see Carson Palmer on the roster.
There are two QBs on their roster with better numbers than Carson Palmer had before Carroll took over. Unless I'm wrong. Not gonna look.
Good point.
The Air Raid has never inflated a QBs numbers so I guess Race looses this one.
I think this dalliance with the Air Raid skews numbers and is also unlikely to be retained by the next coach which also adds tim to the process
I have heard Keyshawn and some others complain that USC is stuck on the classic 6 foot 5 (white) drop back passer like days gone by while dual threat QBs leave the state to go to Bama.
I think this dalliance with the Air Raid skews numbers and is also unlikely to be retained by the next coach which also adds tim to the process
I have heard Keyshawn and some others complain that USC is stuck on the classic 6 foot 5 (white) drop back passer like days gone by while dual threat QBs leave the state to go to Bama.
So you're saying not having Palmer on the roster anymore isn't a problem? Good! We're in agreement.
I think this dalliance with the Air Raid skews numbers and is also unlikely to be retained by the next coach which also adds tim to the process
I have heard Keyshawn and some others complain that USC is stuck on the classic 6 foot 5 (white) drop back passer like days gone by while dual threat QBs leave the state to go to Bama.
So you're saying not having Palmer on the roster anymore isn't a problem? Good! We're in agreement.
I am politely disagreeing with some of your statement. That's probably what threw you. I didn't call you any names
They don't have Bryce on the roster either. He's in Bama. Air Raid QBs look good. Look at every year WSU throws someone out there and he throws for 5,000 yards. I don't see USC keeping it
As of right now a turn around would still be quick for USC. This 2020 recruiting class was really the first truly shitty one under Helton.
The 2019 class was the first chink in the armor at 3rd in the pac and 20th in the country (composite) with 7 Blue Chips and no 5*. That doesn’t include Chris Steele and Bru McCoy transferring back in which would have been two 5* added into the class.
The 2018 class was 1st in the pac and 4th in the country with 17 Blue Chips including four 5*.
The 2017 class was 1st in the pac and 4th in the country with 14 Blue Chips including two 5*.
There is still depth and elite talent, but the book is out and Helton hasn’t been able to get recruits based on USC being USC. They’ve gone from top 4 national classes to off the fucking cliff in just two seasons.
One more class like on this trend next year and then the instant turnaround goes away and requires a handful of traditional classes to build them back up.
As of right now a turn around would still be quick for USC. This 2020 recruiting class was really the first truly shitty one under Helton.
The 2019 class was the first chink in the armor at 3rd in the pac and 20th in the country (composite) with 7 Blue Chips and no 5*. That doesn’t include Chris Steel and Brian McCoy transferring back in which would have been two 5* added into the class.
The 2018 class was 1st in the pac and 4th in the country with 17 Blue Chips including four 5*.
The 2017 class was 1st in the pac and 4th in the country with 14 Blue Chips including two 5*.
There is still depth and elite talent, but the book is out and Helton hasn’t been able to get recruits based on USC being USC. They’ve gone from top 4 national classes to off the fucking cliff in just two seasons.
One more class like on this trend next year and then the instant turnaround goes away and requires a handful of traditional classes to build them back up.
Good point. Math numbers and stuff
And they could fire Helton midway or just after the season and salvage next year which goes to @1to392831weretaken 's point.
Hey now you can write off a class. Stanford only signed 13 kids in 2013 only three of which ever did anything and they *checks notes* went downhill and never recovered.
Hey now you can write off a class. Stanford only signed 13 kids in 2013 only three of which ever did anything and they *checks notes* went downhill and never recovered.
I mean at the very least 3/4 of their class is on the lines, so they have that going for them.
USC is fine as long as the next coach is good. They have enough recent success (childhood memory) and tradition that coupled with their current players they can recover reasonably with a good coach.
If their records continue to be lackluster so they don't have any notable achievements in their recruits' formative years, and they continue to deplete their talent levels, then they will be in trouble.
USC is fine as long as the next coach is good. They have enough recent success (childhood memory) and tradition that coupled with their current players they can recover reasonably with a good coach.
If their records continue to be lackluster so they don't have any notable achievements in their recruits' formative years, and they continue to deplete their talent levels, then they will be in trouble.
They will never be in long term trouble and are always a coach away.
USC is fine as long as the next coach is good. They have enough recent success (childhood memory) and tradition that coupled with their current players they can recover reasonably with a good coach.
If their records continue to be lackluster so they don't have any notable achievements in their recruits' formative years, and they continue to deplete their talent levels, then they will be in trouble.
They will never be in long term trouble and are always a coach away.
I think it is likely true, depending on hope you cfb time, that they are never in long term trouble. Everyone is always just one away. What I mean is they are in danger of drifting into a three year rebuild zone.
USC is fine as long as the next coach is good. They have enough recent success (childhood memory) and tradition that coupled with their current players they can recover reasonably with a good coach.
If their records continue to be lackluster so they don't have any notable achievements in their recruits' formative years, and they continue to deplete their talent levels, then they will be in trouble.
They will never be in long term trouble and are always a coach away.
I think it is likely true, depending on hope you cfb time, that they are never in long term trouble. Everyone is always just one away. What I mean is they are in danger of drifting into a three year rebuild zone.
This
We're not USC but we did go 8 and 5 this year and recruiting experts point to a bad class or two
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Edit: Fuck it, I had to look. He was 55% and 16/18 TD/INT the year before Carroll took over, so I was right. Slovis and Daniels were both better their first years as starters.
The Air Raid has never inflated a QBs numbers so I guess Race looses this one.
I have heard Keyshawn and some others complain that USC is stuck on the classic 6 foot 5 (white) drop back passer like days gone by while dual threat QBs leave the state to go to Bama.
They don't have Bryce on the roster either. He's in Bama. Air Raid QBs look good. Look at every year WSU throws someone out there and he throws for 5,000 yards. I don't see USC keeping it
So you're still wrong.
The 2019 class was the first chink in the armor at 3rd in the pac and 20th in the country (composite) with 7 Blue Chips and no 5*. That doesn’t include Chris Steele and Bru McCoy transferring back in which would have been two 5* added into the class.
The 2018 class was 1st in the pac and 4th in the country with 17 Blue Chips including four 5*.
The 2017 class was 1st in the pac and 4th in the country with 14 Blue Chips including two 5*.
There is still depth and elite talent, but the book is out and Helton hasn’t been able to get recruits based on USC being USC. They’ve gone from top 4 national classes to off the fucking cliff in just two seasons.
One more class like on this trend next year and then the instant turnaround goes away and requires a handful of traditional classes to build them back up.
And they could fire Helton midway or just after the season and salvage next year which goes to @1to392831weretaken 's point.
But its hanging by a thread
And who can they get that is better? lol
Pretty sure I'm right though. Usually am
If their records continue to be lackluster so they don't have any notable achievements in their recruits' formative years, and they continue to deplete their talent levels, then they will be in trouble.
Won the conference a bunch of times. They can win the Pac with a mediocre coach. That's their big edge
We're not USC but we did go 8 and 5 this year and recruiting experts point to a bad class or two