You all thought this was a playoff team.

DJDuck

ntxduck said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

There was enough evidence last season to warrant Arroyo's firing. The problem is that he's Cristobal's close friend. Cristobal probably wanted to keep him on this year for that reason, to get his buddy a fat paycheck before he's fired.

They’re not close friends at all...no clue where you heard that. Cristobal almost canned him last off-season but didn’t want turnover going into Herbert’s last season on offense. Mario is probably realizing that was a mistake already. Arroyo is almost certainly gone after this season.

ntxduck said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

There was enough evidence last season to warrant Arroyo's firing. The problem is that he's Cristobal's close friend. Cristobal probably wanted to keep him on this year for that reason, to get his buddy a fat paycheck before he's fired.

They’re not close friends at all...no clue where you heard that. Cristobal almost canned him last off-season but didn’t want turnover going into Herbert’s last season on offense. Mario is probably realizing that was a mistake already. Arroyo is almost certainly gone after this season.

ntxduck said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

There was enough evidence last season to warrant Arroyo's firing. The problem is that he's Cristobal's close friend. Cristobal probably wanted to keep him on this year for that reason, to get his buddy a fat paycheck before he's fired.

They’re not close friends at all...no clue where you heard that. Cristobal almost canned him last off-season but didn’t want turnover going into Herbert’s last season on offense. Mario is probably realizing that was a mistake already. Arroyo is almost certainly gone after this season.

Do you have some evidence tjat they are not close? I heave heard they are from private Duck sources.

DoogCourics

DJDuck said:

DoogCourics said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

uh...no. Only DJDuck did, maybe.

Speaking of....

After spamming this bored non-stop for the last few months, he's been eerily quiet tonight. What gives?

DoogCourics said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

uh...no. Only DJDuck did, maybe.

Speaking of....

After spamming this bored non-stop for the last few months, he's been eerily quiet tonight. What gives?

My wife had two cancer surgeries for ovarian Cancer. Thank you for your concern.

Some of us old Woodshed denizens from the old Educk also have our own small board.

T’s & P’s to you and your wife. Legitimately.

I hope the surgeries work and she continues to get better.

creepycoug

haie said:

Petersen's offense sucks.

But with Oregon it's Awwoyo! All Awwoyo! It's his offense. Not meatball mario! He just wants a TUFF team!!!!

So by what postulate do you know that all coaching dysfunction is the same everywhere. Does the context not vary from situation to situation?

Cristobal is a line coach. He doesn't have some big history as the offensive coordinator guy. You get that with a guy like, say, Spurrier. You get that on the defensive side with a guy like, say, Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll. Guys who have a well-earned track record doing that thing a particular way.

Pete gets the "his offense sucks" tag because it's assumed (I myself have no idea, or care) that he's really pulling the strings for the offense. Cristobal is not assumed to be doing the same, and that seems like a safe assumption.

But, I leave you with this question: why does it matter? Whether the HC does or does not tinker with their coordinators, they are responsible for everything at the end of the day. I can't believe you, of all people, are here whining that Mario doesn't get enough blame. Trust me: if the offense leads them to a 7-4 season, it will fall on Cristoball's desk just as sure as it would fall on Petersen's.

In all of the debates we've had, this is, by far, your weakest position. It shows you more as a Cristo-hater; and not as a reasoned observer who has anything useful to say about him one way or the other.

He's not my boyfriend, so please, critique away. But for Christ's sake bring something to the table.

oregonblitzkrieg

@Haie in this thread:

haie

creepycoug said:

haie said:

Petersen's offense sucks.

But with Oregon it's Awwoyo! All Awwoyo! It's his offense. Not meatball mario! He just wants a TUFF team!!!!

So by what postulate do you know that all coaching dysfunction is the same everywhere. Does the context not vary from situation to situation?

Cristobal is a line coach. He doesn't have some big history as the offensive coordinator guy. You get that with a guy like, say, Spurrier. You get that on the defensive side with a guy like, say, Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll. Guys who have a well-earned track record doing that thing a particular way.

Pete gets the "his offense sucks" tag because it's assumed (I myself have no idea, or care) that he's really pulling the strings for the offense. Cristobal is not assumed to be doing the same, and that seems like a safe assumption.

But, I leave you with this question: why does it matter? Whether the HC does or does not tinker with their coordinators, they are responsible for everything at the end of the day. I can't believe you, of all people, are here whining that Mario doesn't get enough blame. Trust me: if the offense leads them to a 7-4 season, it will fall on Cristoball's desk just as sure as it would fall on Petersen's.

In all of the debates we've had, this is, by far, your weakest position. It shows you more as a Cristo-hater; and not as a reasoned observer who has anything useful to say about him one way or the other.

He's not my boyfriend, so please, critique away. But for Christ's sake bring something to the table.

tldr

RaceBannon

creepycoug said:

haie said:

Petersen's offense sucks.

But with Oregon it's Awwoyo! All Awwoyo! It's his offense. Not meatball mario! He just wants a TUFF team!!!!

So by what postulate do you know that all coaching dysfunction is the same everywhere. Does the context not vary from situation to situation?

Cristobal is a line coach. He doesn't have some big history as the offensive coordinator guy. You get that with a guy like, say, Spurrier. You get that on the defensive side with a guy like, say, Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll. Guys who have a well-earned track record doing that thing a particular way.

Pete gets the "his offense sucks" tag because it's assumed (I myself have no idea, or care) that he's really pulling the strings for the offense. Cristobal is not assumed to be doing the same, and that seems like a safe assumption.

But, I leave you with this question: why does it matter? Whether the HC does or does not tinker with their coordinators, they are responsible for everything at the end of the day. I can't believe you, of all people, are here whining that Mario doesn't get enough blame. Trust me: if the offense leads them to a 7-4 season, it will fall on Cristoball's desk just as sure as it would fall on Petersen's.

In all of the debates we've had, this is, by far, your weakest position. It shows you more as a Cristo-hater; and not as a reasoned observer who has anything useful to say about him one way or the other.

He's not my boyfriend, so please, critique away. But for Christ's sake bring something to the table.

He sure sounds like your boyfriend

Might want to book a refundable flight to Hawaii on the 20th just in case

oregonblitzkrieg

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

haie said:

Petersen's offense sucks.

But with Oregon it's Awwoyo! All Awwoyo! It's his offense. Not meatball mario! He just wants a TUFF team!!!!

So by what postulate do you know that all coaching dysfunction is the same everywhere. Does the context not vary from situation to situation?

Cristobal is a line coach. He doesn't have some big history as the offensive coordinator guy. You get that with a guy like, say, Spurrier. You get that on the defensive side with a guy like, say, Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll. Guys who have a well-earned track record doing that thing a particular way.

Pete gets the "his offense sucks" tag because it's assumed (I myself have no idea, or care) that he's really pulling the strings for the offense. Cristobal is not assumed to be doing the same, and that seems like a safe assumption.

But, I leave you with this question: why does it matter? Whether the HC does or does not tinker with their coordinators, they are responsible for everything at the end of the day. I can't believe you, of all people, are here whining that Mario doesn't get enough blame. Trust me: if the offense leads them to a 7-4 season, it will fall on Cristoball's desk just as sure as it would fall on Petersen's.

In all of the debates we've had, this is, by far, your weakest position. It shows you more as a Cristo-hater; and not as a reasoned observer who has anything useful to say about him one way or the other.

He's not my boyfriend, so please, critique away. But for Christ's sake bring something to the table.

He sure sounds like your boyfriend

Might want to book a refundable flight to Hawaii on the 20th just in case

Those tickets are already fully booked.

@haie

@StrongArmCobra

ntxduck

oregonblitzkrieg said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

haie said:

Petersen's offense sucks.

But with Oregon it's Awwoyo! All Awwoyo! It's his offense. Not meatball mario! He just wants a TUFF team!!!!

So by what postulate do you know that all coaching dysfunction is the same everywhere. Does the context not vary from situation to situation?

Cristobal is a line coach. He doesn't have some big history as the offensive coordinator guy. You get that with a guy like, say, Spurrier. You get that on the defensive side with a guy like, say, Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll. Guys who have a well-earned track record doing that thing a particular way.

Pete gets the "his offense sucks" tag because it's assumed (I myself have no idea, or care) that he's really pulling the strings for the offense. Cristobal is not assumed to be doing the same, and that seems like a safe assumption.

But, I leave you with this question: why does it matter? Whether the HC does or does not tinker with their coordinators, they are responsible for everything at the end of the day. I can't believe you, of all people, are here whining that Mario doesn't get enough blame. Trust me: if the offense leads them to a 7-4 season, it will fall on Cristoball's desk just as sure as it would fall on Petersen's.

In all of the debates we've had, this is, by far, your weakest position. It shows you more as a Cristo-hater; and not as a reasoned observer who has anything useful to say about him one way or the other.

He's not my boyfriend, so please, critique away. But for Christ's sake bring something to the table.

He sure sounds like your boyfriend

Might want to book a refundable flight to Hawaii on the 20th just in case

Those tickets are already fully booked.

@haie

@StrongArmCobra

Haie also doesn’t post on the sabbath after a loss now apparently

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

haie said:

Petersen's offense sucks.

But with Oregon it's Awwoyo! All Awwoyo! It's his offense. Not meatball mario! He just wants a TUFF team!!!!

So by what postulate do you know that all coaching dysfunction is the same everywhere. Does the context not vary from situation to situation?

Cristobal is a line coach. He doesn't have some big history as the offensive coordinator guy. You get that with a guy like, say, Spurrier. You get that on the defensive side with a guy like, say, Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll. Guys who have a well-earned track record doing that thing a particular way.

Pete gets the "his offense sucks" tag because it's assumed (I myself have no idea, or care) that he's really pulling the strings for the offense. Cristobal is not assumed to be doing the same, and that seems like a safe assumption.

But, I leave you with this question: why does it matter? Whether the HC does or does not tinker with their coordinators, they are responsible for everything at the end of the day. I can't believe you, of all people, are here whining that Mario doesn't get enough blame. Trust me: if the offense leads them to a 7-4 season, it will fall on Cristoball's desk just as sure as it would fall on Petersen's.

In all of the debates we've had, this is, by far, your weakest position. It shows you more as a Cristo-hater; and not as a reasoned observer who has anything useful to say about him one way or the other.

He's not my boyfriend, so please, critique away. But for Christ's sake bring something to the table.

He sure sounds like your boyfriend

Might want to book a refundable flight to Hawaii on the 20th just in case

So nothing to add. Got it.

Not my boyfriend. Just bring something. Anything. But "Oregon fans aren't mad enough at Cristo" just doesn't make it. It's stupid and pointless. HC owns everything where I come from.

RaceBannon

Yep. Boyfriend. Confirmed