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Bernie Sanders Tells Union Worker: “I’d ‘Absolutely’ Take Away Your Health Care Plan”
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Now that's funny!dhdawg said:Far more Americans leave to get healthcare than Canadians.
Bernie just led a convoy of Americans going to Canada because you can actually afford insulin there. -
And of course Scotty the mouthy Kunt ran away.GDS said:
Blob the prolific strawman fucker strikes again!SFGbob said:
That is pure crap.dhdawg said:
"Delays in getting care"SFGbob said:
Hell Hondo, you even previously posted that exact same fucking stupid Fox Online poll. Like I said, there's no point trying to educate your ignorant ass. This is just one of the many times this information has been posted here.2001400ex said:
Lol lyin Bob again. You just can't help yourself.SFGbob said:
There's no point in trying to educate your ignorant ass Hondo. If you're so fucking uninformed that you're not aware that support for "Medicare for All" drops like a stone when you tell people that it will cause them to lose their private insurance and pay higher taxes, something that has been discussed here a number a times, then there's no point in discussing the issue with such an ignorant dumbfuck. I will administer a swift steel toed boot to your snatch if you like because I believe that may be the one thing that might help you.2001400ex said:
Lil lyin Bob can't back up his mouth again. Pussy.SFGbob said:
Gofuckyourself.com2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.
However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.
Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
Sounds like a much better way to ration care than how we do it, which is based on how much money you have.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/13/nhs-operation-waiting-lists-reach-10-year-high-at-43m-patients -
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
Funny how popular "medicare for all" is when people realize what "medicare for all" actually is. Just like the 2016 campaign, liberals like Hondo still haven't figured out how polls work, and how they can be manipulated. -
Hondo's position is that because none of the "bad" stuff will possibly be enacted this polls doesn't really count. Medicare for All is what Hondo feels it is going to be, not what Sanders and Warren have said it will be.greenblood said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
Funny how popular "medicare for all" is when people realize what "medicare for all" actually is. Just like the 2016 campaign, liberals like Hondo still haven't figured out how polls work, and how they can be manipulated. -
That's my point. Hondo doesn't know what "medicare for all" is.SFGbob said:
Hondo's position is that because none of the "bad" stuff will possibly be enacted this polls doesn't really count. Medicare for All is what Hondo feels it is going to be, not what Sanders and Warren have said it will be.greenblood said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
Funny how popular "medicare for all" is when people realize what "medicare for all" actually is. Just like the 2016 campaign, liberals like Hondo still haven't figured out how polls work, and how they can be manipulated. -
Oh I know, and while Hondo is complete fucking ignorant of what Sanders bill actually calls for, he'll claim that you're and idiot because you don't know what Medicare for all really means.greenblood said:
That's my point. Hondo doesn't know what "medicare for all" is.SFGbob said:
Hondo's position is that because none of the "bad" stuff will possibly be enacted this polls doesn't really count. Medicare for All is what Hondo feels it is going to be, not what Sanders and Warren have said it will be.greenblood said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
Funny how popular "medicare for all" is when people realize what "medicare for all" actually is. Just like the 2016 campaign, liberals like Hondo still haven't figured out how polls work, and how they can be manipulated. -
I know what they are proposing. I also know that they'll never get rid of insurance companies completely. A large percentage of Canadians have private insurance still.greenblood said:
That's my point. Hondo doesn't know what "medicare for all" is.SFGbob said:
Hondo's position is that because none of the "bad" stuff will possibly be enacted this polls doesn't really count. Medicare for All is what Hondo feels it is going to be, not what Sanders and Warren have said it will be.greenblood said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
Funny how popular "medicare for all" is when people realize what "medicare for all" actually is. Just like the 2016 campaign, liberals like Hondo still haven't figured out how polls work, and how they can be manipulated. -
Yeah, and you "knew" Social Security didn't exist in the 1950s. Your claim was that there was no evidence that Medicare for All would eliminate private insurance you fucking lying piece of shit.2001400ex said:
I know what they are proposing. I also know that they'll never get rid of insurance companies completely. A large percentage of Canadians have private insurance still.greenblood said:
That's my point. Hondo doesn't know what "medicare for all" is.SFGbob said:
Hondo's position is that because none of the "bad" stuff will possibly be enacted this polls doesn't really count. Medicare for All is what Hondo feels it is going to be, not what Sanders and Warren have said it will be.greenblood said:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
Funny how popular "medicare for all" is when people realize what "medicare for all" actually is. Just like the 2016 campaign, liberals like Hondo still haven't figured out how polls work, and how they can be manipulated. -
Rural Hospitals From Texas To Maine Say ‘Medicare For All’ Would End Up ‘Closing Our Doors’
That would just be the start of the problems.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/430143-rural-hospitals-from-texas-to-maine-say-medicare-for-all-would-end-up-closing-our-doors/ -
awww Blob the strawman fucker missed me! You threw out an article talking about how 12% of grandma gertrudes are waiting longer in the UK then target for knee replacement as an example of people waiting a long time for mandatory medical service....SFGbob said:
And of course Scotty the mouthy Kunt ran away.GDS said:
Blob the prolific strawman fucker strikes again!SFGbob said:
That is pure crap.dhdawg said:
"Delays in getting care"SFGbob said:
Hell Hondo, you even previously posted that exact same fucking stupid Fox Online poll. Like I said, there's no point trying to educate your ignorant ass. This is just one of the many times this information has been posted here.2001400ex said:
Lol lyin Bob again. You just can't help yourself.SFGbob said:
There's no point in trying to educate your ignorant ass Hondo. If you're so fucking uninformed that you're not aware that support for "Medicare for All" drops like a stone when you tell people that it will cause them to lose their private insurance and pay higher taxes, something that has been discussed here a number a times, then there's no point in discussing the issue with such an ignorant dumbfuck. I will administer a swift steel toed boot to your snatch if you like because I believe that may be the one thing that might help you.2001400ex said:
Lil lyin Bob can't back up his mouth again. Pussy.SFGbob said:
Gofuckyourself.com2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.
However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.
Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
Sounds like a much better way to ration care than how we do it, which is based on how much money you have.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/13/nhs-operation-waiting-lists-reach-10-year-high-at-43m-patients
It turns out that in our medical system which rations care based on ability to pay and the profit motive has longer wait times for more critical appointments then grandma gertrudes new knee....
The Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that focuses on health care, compared wait times in the United States to those in 10 other countries last year. “We were smug and we had the impression that the United States had no wait times — but it turns out that’s not true,” said Robin Osborn, a researcher for the foundation. “It’s the primary care where we’re really behind, with many people waiting six days or more” to get an appointment when they were “sick or needed care.”
The study found that 26 percent of 2,002 American adults surveyed said they waited six days or more for appointments, better only than Canada (33 percent) and Norway (28 percent), and much worse than in other countries with national health systems like the Netherlands (14 percent) or Britain (16 percent). When it came to appointments with specialists, patients in Britain and Switzerland reported shorter waits than those in the United States, but the United States did rank better than the other eight countries.
So it turns out that America has its own waiting problem. But we tend to wait for different types of medical interventions. And that is mainly a result of payment incentives, experts say.
Americans are more likely to wait for office-based medical appointments that are not good sources of revenue for hospitals and doctors. In other countries, people tend to wait longest for expensive elective care — four to six months for a knee replacement and over a month for follow-up radiation therapy after cancer surgery in Canada, for example.
In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments
