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Bernie Sanders Tells Union Worker: “I’d ‘Absolutely’ Take Away Your Health Care Plan”
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Said the lying Kunt who claimed there was no evidence that Medicare for all would involve the elimination of private insurance despite the fact that fucking Bernie Sanders proposal calls for doing exactly that.2001400ex said:
SMH idiot. Seriously.... Bob you don't even understand what single payer means.SFGbob said:
Nice work dumbfuck. You just supported my case.2001400ex said:
The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.
Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.
Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.
In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.
So they do have longer wait times but it's not caused by the single payer system, it's caused by the decision to hold down cost of the single payer system by limiting the supply.
Yeah, that totally destroys the claim to the contrary.
Once again Hondo the dumbfuck doesn't read what he links.
Liz Warren has also called for the elimination of private health insurance and Booker and Harris and Gillibrand have all signed onto Bernie's Medicare for All bill.
Always love it when a complete fucking moron tries to tell me I don't understand something. -
There's zero chance eliminating the insurance companies happens. They are the ones who gave us Obamacare. I'm sorry if you don't understand reality.SFGbob said:
Said the lying Kunt who claimed there was no evidence that Medicare for all would involve the elimination of private insurance despite the fact that fucking Bernie Sanders proposal calls for doing exactly that.2001400ex said:
SMH idiot. Seriously.... Bob you don't even understand what single payer means.SFGbob said:
Nice work dumbfuck. You just supported my case.2001400ex said:
The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.
Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.
Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.
In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.
So they do have longer wait times but it's not caused by the single payer system, it's caused by the decision to hold down cost of the single payer system by limiting the supply.
Yeah, that totally destroys the claim to the contrary.
Once again Hondo the dumbfuck doesn't read what he links.
Liz Warren has also called for the elimination of private health insurance and Booker and Harris and Gillibrand have all signed onto Bernie's Medicare for All bill.
Always love it when a complete fucking moron tries to tell me I don't understand something.
That being said, the reality is that there's zero chance we go to single payer in the next 20 years anyway. Not even if the Democrats get 60 votes in the Senate again. -
Go fuck yourself Hondo.2001400ex said:
There's zero chance eliminating the insurance companies happens. They are the ones who gave us Obamacare. I'm sorry if you don't understand reality.SFGbob said:
Said the lying Kunt who claimed there was no evidence that Medicare for all would involve the elimination of private insurance despite the fact that fucking Bernie Sanders proposal calls for doing exactly that.2001400ex said:
SMH idiot. Seriously.... Bob you don't even understand what single payer means.SFGbob said:
Nice work dumbfuck. You just supported my case.2001400ex said:
The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.
Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.
Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.
In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.
So they do have longer wait times but it's not caused by the single payer system, it's caused by the decision to hold down cost of the single payer system by limiting the supply.
Yeah, that totally destroys the claim to the contrary.
Once again Hondo the dumbfuck doesn't read what he links.
Liz Warren has also called for the elimination of private health insurance and Booker and Harris and Gillibrand have all signed onto Bernie's Medicare for All bill.
Always love it when a complete fucking moron tries to tell me I don't understand something.
That being said, the reality is that there's zero chance we go to single payer in the next 20 years anyway. Not even if the Democrats get 60 votes in the Senate again.
You talked out your fucking ass. There is all kinds of evidence that Medicare for all plan would involve the elimination of private insurance. It's exactly what Sanders and Warren are calling for. Whether it will or wont happen wasn't the issue.
Whether they can get it through the Congress is completely separate issue, and if either Warren or Sanders wins the nomination you'll fucking vote for them. -
They aren't winning the nomination. And even if they win the presidency, there's zero chance single payer happens. Just like the wall isn't built yet.SFGbob said:
Go fuck yourself Hondo.2001400ex said:
There's zero chance eliminating the insurance companies happens. They are the ones who gave us Obamacare. I'm sorry if you don't understand reality.SFGbob said:
Said the lying Kunt who claimed there was no evidence that Medicare for all would involve the elimination of private insurance despite the fact that fucking Bernie Sanders proposal calls for doing exactly that.2001400ex said:
SMH idiot. Seriously.... Bob you don't even understand what single payer means.SFGbob said:
Nice work dumbfuck. You just supported my case.2001400ex said:
The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.
Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.
Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.
In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.
So they do have longer wait times but it's not caused by the single payer system, it's caused by the decision to hold down cost of the single payer system by limiting the supply.
Yeah, that totally destroys the claim to the contrary.
Once again Hondo the dumbfuck doesn't read what he links.
Liz Warren has also called for the elimination of private health insurance and Booker and Harris and Gillibrand have all signed onto Bernie's Medicare for All bill.
Always love it when a complete fucking moron tries to tell me I don't understand something.
That being said, the reality is that there's zero chance we go to single payer in the next 20 years anyway. Not even if the Democrats get 60 votes in the Senate again.
You talked out your fucking ass. There is all kinds of evidence that Medicare for all plan would involve the elimination of private insurance. It's exactly what Sanders and Warren are calling for. Whether it will or wont happen wasn't the issue.
Whether they can get it through the Congress is completely separate issue, and if either Warren or Sanders wins the nomination you'll fucking vote for them. -
Maybe my ass. If it won't kill you you'll wait extended lengths of time.dhdawg said:
"Delays in getting care"SFGbob said:
Hell Hondo, you even previously posted that exact same fucking stupid Fox Online poll. Like I said, there's no point trying to educate your ignorant ass. This is just one of the many times this information has been posted here.2001400ex said:
Lol lyin Bob again. You just can't help yourself.SFGbob said:
There's no point in trying to educate your ignorant ass Hondo. If you're so fucking uninformed that you're not aware that support for "Medicare for All" drops like a stone when you tell people that it will cause them to lose their private insurance and pay higher taxes, something that has been discussed here a number a times, then there's no point in discussing the issue with such an ignorant dumbfuck. I will administer a swift steel toed boot to your snatch if you like because I believe that may be the one thing that might help you.2001400ex said:
Lil lyin Bob can't back up his mouth again. Pussy.SFGbob said:
Gofuckyourself.com2001400ex said:
Link?SFGbob said:
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.2001400ex said:SFGbob said:
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for AllBendintheriver said:
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.Sledog said:
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.TheKobeStopper said:I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.
However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.
Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
Sounds like a much better way to ration care than how we do it, which is based on how much money you have.
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Hondo again defends to the death something he disagrees with and claims will never happen
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"Limiting supply mostly for elective procedures." Prioritizing procedures that save lives is called rationing care smartly.SFGbob said:
Nice work dumbfuck. You just supported my case.2001400ex said:
The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.
Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.
Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.
In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.
So they do have longer wait times but it's not caused by the single payer system, it's caused by the decision to hold down cost of the single payer system by limiting the supply.
Yeah, that totally destroys the claim to the contrary.
Once again Hondo the dumbfuck doesn't read what he links.
I'm sorry you'll have to wait a couple months for your next penis enlargement. -
Canadians are also healthier than Americans. Less fat and less genetic predisposition to diabetes and high blood pressure. Look at the top food stamp purchases.Pop, chips, sugar treats.
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You are clueless.dhdawg said:
"Limiting supply mostly for elective procedures." Prioritizing procedures that save lives is called rationing care smartly.SFGbob said:
Nice work dumbfuck. You just supported my case.2001400ex said:
The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.
Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.
Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.
In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.
So they do have longer wait times but it's not caused by the single payer system, it's caused by the decision to hold down cost of the single payer system by limiting the supply.
Yeah, that totally destroys the claim to the contrary.
Once again Hondo the dumbfuck doesn't read what he links.
I'm sorry you'll have to wait a couple months for your next penis enlargement.
I have Canadian friends. They have had to have procedures done in America because the wait is many months. Were they life threatening? Eventually. But they were painful conditions that made life shitty and limited activity and work greatly. People in GB will tell you the same.
Maybe if you had friends worth a shit things would be different.
Losers like yourself whining and wanting free shit because you think it's owed to you is hilariously funny yet depressing. -
Far more Americans leave to get healthcare than Canadians.
Bernie just led a convoy of Americans going to Canada because you can actually afford insulin there.
