You threw out an article talking about how 12% of grandma gertrudes are waiting longer in the UK then target for knee replacement as an example of people waiting a long time for mandatory medical service....
So now you're just going to lie? There were numbers in the piece about cancer patient waiting for treatment you lying sack of crap and the article directly refuted dh's claim:
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
That was the point of contention you lying piece of shit. Now how was the article I linked to a "strawman" in response to Dh's pile of steaming bullshit?
I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for All
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.
Link?
Gofuckyourself.com
Lil lyin Bob can't back up his mouth again. Pussy.
There's no point in trying to educate your ignorant ass Hondo. If you're so fucking uninformed that you're not aware that support for "Medicare for All" drops like a stone when you tell people that it will cause them to lose their private insurance and pay higher taxes, something that has been discussed here a number a times, then there's no point in discussing the issue with such an ignorant dumbfuck. I will administer a swift steel toed boot to your snatch if you like because I believe that may be the one thing that might help you.
Lol lyin Bob again. You just can't help yourself.
Hell Hondo, you even previously posted that exact same fucking stupid Fox Online poll. Like I said, there's no point trying to educate your ignorant ass. This is just one of the many times this information has been posted here.
The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.
However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.
Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.
"Delays in getting care"
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
Sounds like a much better way to ration care than how we do it, which is based on how much money you have.
awww Blob the strawman fucker missed me! You threw out an article talking about how 12% of grandma gertrudes are waiting longer in the UK then target for knee replacement as an example of people waiting a long time for mandatory medical service....
It turns out that in our medical system which rations care based on ability to pay and the profit motive has longer wait times for more critical appointments then grandma gertrudes new knee....
The Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that focuses on health care, compared wait times in the United States to those in 10 other countries last year. “We were smug and we had the impression that the United States had no wait times — but it turns out that’s not true,” said Robin Osborn, a researcher for the foundation. “It’s the primary care where we’re really behind, with many people waiting six days or more” to get an appointment when they were “sick or needed care.”
The study found that 26 percent of 2,002 American adults surveyed said they waited six days or more for appointments, better only than Canada (33 percent) and Norway (28 percent), and much worse than in other countries with national health systems like the Netherlands (14 percent) or Britain (16 percent). When it came to appointments with specialists, patients in Britain and Switzerland reported shorter waits than those in the United States, but the United States did rank better than the other eight countries.
So it turns out that America has its own waiting problem. But we tend to wait for different types of medical interventions. And that is mainly a result of payment incentives, experts say.
Americans are more likely to wait for office-based medical appointments that are not good sources of revenue for hospitals and doctors. In other countries, people tend to wait longest for expensive elective care — four to six months for a knee replacement and over a month for follow-up radiation therapy after cancer surgery in Canada, for example.
In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments
Talk about a fucking strawman. None of the bullshit you cut and pasted even addresses the point of contention Scotty. Fucking pull your head out of your ass before you post Mr. Republican.
You threw out an article talking about how 12% of grandma gertrudes are waiting longer in the UK then target for knee replacement as an example of people waiting a long time for mandatory medical service....
So now you're just going to lie? There were numbers in the piece about cancer patient waiting for treatment you lying sack of crap and the article directly refuted dh's claim:
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
That was the point of contention you lying piece of shit. Now how was the article I linked to a "strawman" in response to Dh's pile of steaming bullshit?
Run and hide Kunt.
I'm not lying about anything dipshit. The point of that article is that only 88% of grandma gertrudes are getting their new knees within 18 weeks instead of the targeted 92%. There's a throwaway quote from a university admin about cancer targets not being met with no numbers, data or context to the throwaway quote. Again - you post an article about 4% of British grandma's not getting their new knee in time as some sort of gotcha for waiting time for mandatory medical procedures you strawman fucking dipshit.
“Cancer targets have been missed for the last two months, waiting lists have hit a 10-year high and the number of people waiting more than 18 weeks for planned care has gone up by more than 100,000 compared to this time last year,” said Janet Davies, the Royal College of Nursing’s general secretary.
But you keep lying and claiming it was only about elective knee replacements you fucking lying piece of shit.
That's a good Kunt, just keep your head down and plow right through with your bullshit. Who cares if doesn't address the point of contention. And you're lying, the article didn't just deal with knee replacements.
So are you agreeing with DH's dumbfuck? No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures,
I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for All
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.
Funny how popular "medicare for all" is when people realize what "medicare for all" actually is. Just like the 2016 campaign, liberals like Hondo still haven't figured out how polls work, and how they can be manipulated.
Hondo's position is that because none of the "bad" stuff will possibly be enacted this polls doesn't really count. Medicare for All is what Hondo feels it is going to be, not what Sanders and Warren have said it will be.
That's my point. Hondo doesn't know what "medicare for all" is.
I know what they are proposing. I also know that they'll never get rid of insurance companies completely. A large percentage of Canadians have private insurance still.
I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for All
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.
Link?
Gofuckyourself.com
Lil lyin Bob can't back up his mouth again. Pussy.
There's no point in trying to educate your ignorant ass Hondo. If you're so fucking uninformed that you're not aware that support for "Medicare for All" drops like a stone when you tell people that it will cause them to lose their private insurance and pay higher taxes, something that has been discussed here a number a times, then there's no point in discussing the issue with such an ignorant dumbfuck. I will administer a swift steel toed boot to your snatch if you like because I believe that may be the one thing that might help you.
Lol lyin Bob again. You just can't help yourself.
Hell Hondo, you even previously posted that exact same fucking stupid Fox Online poll. Like I said, there's no point trying to educate your ignorant ass. This is just one of the many times this information has been posted here.
The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.
However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.
Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.
"Delays in getting care"
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
Sounds like a much better way to ration care than how we do it, which is based on how much money you have.
awww Blob the strawman fucker missed me! You threw out an article talking about how 12% of grandma gertrudes are waiting longer in the UK then target for knee replacement as an example of people waiting a long time for mandatory medical service....
It turns out that in our medical system which rations care based on ability to pay and the profit motive has longer wait times for more critical appointments then grandma gertrudes new knee....
The Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that focuses on health care, compared wait times in the United States to those in 10 other countries last year. “We were smug and we had the impression that the United States had no wait times — but it turns out that’s not true,” said Robin Osborn, a researcher for the foundation. “It’s the primary care where we’re really behind, with many people waiting six days or more” to get an appointment when they were “sick or needed care.”
The study found that 26 percent of 2,002 American adults surveyed said they waited six days or more for appointments, better only than Canada (33 percent) and Norway (28 percent), and much worse than in other countries with national health systems like the Netherlands (14 percent) or Britain (16 percent). When it came to appointments with specialists, patients in Britain and Switzerland reported shorter waits than those in the United States, but the United States did rank better than the other eight countries.
So it turns out that America has its own waiting problem. But we tend to wait for different types of medical interventions. And that is mainly a result of payment incentives, experts say.
Americans are more likely to wait for office-based medical appointments that are not good sources of revenue for hospitals and doctors. In other countries, people tend to wait longest for expensive elective care — four to six months for a knee replacement and over a month for follow-up radiation therapy after cancer surgery in Canada, for example.
In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments
And scotti gives us a wonderful paid and biased research project by that most liberal of organizations The Commonwealth Fund. TCF is a group I am familiar with and it is a huge backer of Universal Healthcare, single payer. In other words it is perfectly aligned with socialistic medicine. You won't find any perspective coming out of TCF other than one that supports their utopia of "free" healthcare for all.
Way to spread misinformation scotti. I am curious, do you ever search sites that aren't one sided and liberal?
I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for All
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.
Link?
Gofuckyourself.com
Lil lyin Bob can't back up his mouth again. Pussy.
There's no point in trying to educate your ignorant ass Hondo. If you're so fucking uninformed that you're not aware that support for "Medicare for All" drops like a stone when you tell people that it will cause them to lose their private insurance and pay higher taxes, something that has been discussed here a number a times, then there's no point in discussing the issue with such an ignorant dumbfuck. I will administer a swift steel toed boot to your snatch if you like because I believe that may be the one thing that might help you.
Lol lyin Bob again. You just can't help yourself.
Hell Hondo, you even previously posted that exact same fucking stupid Fox Online poll. Like I said, there's no point trying to educate your ignorant ass. This is just one of the many times this information has been posted here.
The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.
However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.
Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.
"Delays in getting care"
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
Sounds like a much better way to ration care than how we do it, which is based on how much money you have.
awww Blob the strawman fucker missed me! You threw out an article talking about how 12% of grandma gertrudes are waiting longer in the UK then target for knee replacement as an example of people waiting a long time for mandatory medical service....
It turns out that in our medical system which rations care based on ability to pay and the profit motive has longer wait times for more critical appointments then grandma gertrudes new knee....
The Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that focuses on health care, compared wait times in the United States to those in 10 other countries last year. “We were smug and we had the impression that the United States had no wait times — but it turns out that’s not true,” said Robin Osborn, a researcher for the foundation. “It’s the primary care where we’re really behind, with many people waiting six days or more” to get an appointment when they were “sick or needed care.”
The study found that 26 percent of 2,002 American adults surveyed said they waited six days or more for appointments, better only than Canada (33 percent) and Norway (28 percent), and much worse than in other countries with national health systems like the Netherlands (14 percent) or Britain (16 percent). When it came to appointments with specialists, patients in Britain and Switzerland reported shorter waits than those in the United States, but the United States did rank better than the other eight countries.
So it turns out that America has its own waiting problem. But we tend to wait for different types of medical interventions. And that is mainly a result of payment incentives, experts say.
Americans are more likely to wait for office-based medical appointments that are not good sources of revenue for hospitals and doctors. In other countries, people tend to wait longest for expensive elective care — four to six months for a knee replacement and over a month for follow-up radiation therapy after cancer surgery in Canada, for example.
In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments
And scotti gives us a wonderful paid and biased research project by that most liberal of organizations The Commonwealth Fund. TCF is a group I am familiar with and it is a huge backer of Universal Healthcare, single payer. In other words it is perfectly aligned with socialistic medicine. You won't find any perspective coming out of TCF other than one that supports their utopia of "free" healthcare for all.
Way to spread misinformation scotti. I am curious, do you ever search sites that aren't one sided and liberal?
I enjoy that the people most against Medicare For All have literally no clue what it even means.
I enjoy how people for it think it's free and have no clue how to pay for it.
The democrat voter just knows that someone else is going to be paying for their free healthcare.
Of the people that support Medicare for all that's their biggest motivation. "Free" shit. And as you saw with the poll numbers even the parasites who what more "free" shit from the government once they found out it wasn't going to be "free" their support disappeared and that's why Harris is no longer talking about Medicare for All
Gosh Hondo, why are you showing me a poll from last year? As soon as people found out that the "costs" were going to include an increase in taxes and the loss of their private insurance support for it fucking cratered.
Link?
Gofuckyourself.com
Lil lyin Bob can't back up his mouth again. Pussy.
There's no point in trying to educate your ignorant ass Hondo. If you're so fucking uninformed that you're not aware that support for "Medicare for All" drops like a stone when you tell people that it will cause them to lose their private insurance and pay higher taxes, something that has been discussed here a number a times, then there's no point in discussing the issue with such an ignorant dumbfuck. I will administer a swift steel toed boot to your snatch if you like because I believe that may be the one thing that might help you.
Lol lyin Bob again. You just can't help yourself.
Hell Hondo, you even previously posted that exact same fucking stupid Fox Online poll. Like I said, there's no point trying to educate your ignorant ass. This is just one of the many times this information has been posted here.
The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.
However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.
Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).
But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.
“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.
"Delays in getting care"
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
Sounds like a much better way to ration care than how we do it, which is based on how much money you have.
awww Blob the strawman fucker missed me! You threw out an article talking about how 12% of grandma gertrudes are waiting longer in the UK then target for knee replacement as an example of people waiting a long time for mandatory medical service....
It turns out that in our medical system which rations care based on ability to pay and the profit motive has longer wait times for more critical appointments then grandma gertrudes new knee....
The Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that focuses on health care, compared wait times in the United States to those in 10 other countries last year. “We were smug and we had the impression that the United States had no wait times — but it turns out that’s not true,” said Robin Osborn, a researcher for the foundation. “It’s the primary care where we’re really behind, with many people waiting six days or more” to get an appointment when they were “sick or needed care.”
The study found that 26 percent of 2,002 American adults surveyed said they waited six days or more for appointments, better only than Canada (33 percent) and Norway (28 percent), and much worse than in other countries with national health systems like the Netherlands (14 percent) or Britain (16 percent). When it came to appointments with specialists, patients in Britain and Switzerland reported shorter waits than those in the United States, but the United States did rank better than the other eight countries.
So it turns out that America has its own waiting problem. But we tend to wait for different types of medical interventions. And that is mainly a result of payment incentives, experts say.
Americans are more likely to wait for office-based medical appointments that are not good sources of revenue for hospitals and doctors. In other countries, people tend to wait longest for expensive elective care — four to six months for a knee replacement and over a month for follow-up radiation therapy after cancer surgery in Canada, for example.
In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments
And scotti gives us a wonderful paid and biased research project by that most liberal of organizations The Commonwealth Fund. TCF is a group I am familiar with and it is a huge backer of Universal Healthcare, single payer. In other words it is perfectly aligned with socialistic medicine. You won't find any perspective coming out of TCF other than one that supports their utopia of "free" healthcare for all.
Way to spread misinformation scotti. I am curious, do you ever search sites that aren't one sided and liberal?
Care to refute the facts in his post?
Care to admit you were talking out your ass when you claimed there was no evidence that Medicare for All would get rid of private insurance?
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
This claim was pure bullshit. Scotty who claimed that I was attacking a strawman when I called it bullshit has so far lied about the content of the article I posted to refute it while refusing to address Dh's bullshit claim.
Telling me that wait times here in the US are similar doesn't address the claim Scotty. His claim is that there are no wait times for mandatory procedures in countries with universal healthcare. The only one fucking strawman ass was you Scotty with you off-topic response.
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So now you're just going to lie? There were numbers in the piece about cancer patient waiting for treatment you lying sack of crap and the article directly refuted dh's claim:
No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures, elective procedures maybe.
That was the point of contention you lying piece of shit. Now how was the article I linked to a "strawman" in response to Dh's pile of steaming bullshit?
Run and hide Kunt.
“Cancer targets have been missed for the last two months, waiting lists have hit a 10-year high and the number of people waiting more than 18 weeks for planned care has gone up by more than 100,000 compared to this time last year,” said Janet Davies, the Royal College of Nursing’s general secretary.
But you keep lying and claiming it was only about elective knee replacements you fucking lying piece of shit.
So are you agreeing with DH's dumbfuck? No country with universal healthcare has wait times for mandatory procedures,
Way to spread misinformation scotti. I am curious, do you ever search sites that aren't one sided and liberal?
This claim was pure bullshit. Scotty who claimed that I was attacking a strawman when I called it bullshit has so far lied about the content of the article I posted to refute it while refusing to address Dh's bullshit claim.
Telling me that wait times here in the US are similar doesn't address the claim Scotty. His claim is that there are no wait times for mandatory procedures in countries with universal healthcare. The only one fucking strawman ass was you Scotty with you off-topic response.