The Riddle of the Gun - Great piece by Sam Harris

YellowSnow

Don't agree with every argument here, but this is a worthwhile (TL;DR) piece by Sam Harris.

https://samharris.org/the-riddle-of-the-gun/

jecornel

I would love to see a NY Times journalist debate Sam.

Excellent article.

Sledog

Wrong on many points. There is some reasonable logic but not that much. If he's intelligent and can't figure out how an organization composed of 6 million people can't be effective in advocating for a political cause? It's not the gun industry they are protecting it is the protection of constitutional rights. Rights the left hates and wants removed. The ACLU won't touch anything 2A they hate the 2nd.

jecornel

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

GrundleStiltzkin

Good article.

GrundleStiltzkin

Some of the questions he answers here, w,jw
https://samharris.org/faq-on-violence/

Sledog

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

The one posted. We have differing knowledge bases.

"I share their outrage over the political influence of the National Rifle Association"
"Ordinary altercations can become needlessly deadly in the presence of a weapon."

He spits out a few non factual items. He does make valid points as well. He's better than most but still repeats a few talking points as fact.

Sledog

Ever listen or read Colion Noir? I like him,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvjXc0lsbo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=

jecornel

Sledog said:

Ever listen or read Colion Noir? I like him,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvjXc0lsbo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=

I will watch it.

YellowSnow

Sledog said:

Ever listen or read Colion Noir? I like him,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvjXc0lsbo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=

He has some funny videos.

TurdBomber

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

jecornel

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.

He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.

References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.

TurdBomber

jecornel said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.

He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.

References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.

"Bad guys" is too simplistic. I'd support most recommendations to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.

Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.

HHusky

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.

He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.

References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.

Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.

Your quarrel is with Sled.

TurdBomber

HHusky said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.

He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.

References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.

Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.

Your quarrel is with Sled.

And you're a fag. So what?

HHusky

TurdBomber said:

HHusky said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.

He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.

References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.

Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.

Your quarrel is with Sled.

And you're a fag. So what?

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Sledog

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.

Sledog

HHusky said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

Sam Harris owns several guns and trains regularly. He references the carnage people have done with a knife and you would rather have a gun in your hand facing someone wielding a knife.

He points out if someone breaks into your home do you think the police will arrive in time? He would rather not find out. When seconds can matter he would rather defend himself.

References any legislation is pointless and only limits good people from having guns as bad people will get them anyway by any means.

Every American is born with the right to bear arms. But crazy Americans? That's where I'd start drawing lines.

Your quarrel is with Sled.

Crazy purple shouldn't get guns. I agree completely. If your taking any pyschotropic drug you should be on a list. HTH

HHusky

Sledog said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.

Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.

Sledog

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

TurdBomber said:

jecornel said:

Well, essentially he is arguing that gun free zones are bullshit and schools need to arm themselves with people properly trained to handle a fire arm.

I'm not sure what article you read.

DR, but if that's true it's what I want. Turn soft targets into hard targets and the shooters taste their own lead. Fairly strong deterrent in my mind.

And for the "they want to die anyway" argument, fine. But they're not taking 20+ with them if the biology teacher caps their ass after firing 3 shots.

The Walmart shooter had 20 fucking minutes to kill. Shorten that time frame, save lives.

These sheeple can't understand fighting back. They are incapable of taking care of themselves. They rely on others with balls big enough to protect them. Sheepdogs to protect them from the wolves. They'd hide with the women and children. They're tough like that.

Yeah you won't see MallCop wandering the grocery store without a drawn pistol.

You won't see me wandering anywhere without a gun. Why do I carry a gun everywhere? Because I can! I'm not paranoid, I have a gun. I don't carry it to force my will upon others. I carry it so others can't force their will upon me and mine.

HHusky

MallCop: "Crazy purple shouldn't get guns. I agree completely. If your taking any pyschotropic drug you should be on a list. HTH"



Yeah, you just don't want anyone drawing any "unfair" conclusions about the sanity of a fucking nut job who believes the Seth Rich conspiracy, for example.