How Finland Slashed Homelessness by 40%

Gwad

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-19/american-idea-inspires-finland-to-slash-homelessness-by-40

“Taxpayer money has been well invested in these programs,” Tiivola said. “It’s more expensive not to provide the homes and have people on the streets. And when they’re off the streets, there’s more social harmony.”

2001400ex

Giving my money to the homeless is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I don't give a fuck how much money it saves or how much better the country is. Those shitdicks need to pull up their bootstraps and fix it themselves.

SFGbob

Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

2001400ex

SFGbob said:

Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

Bob and I agree. If the homeless can't figure shit out. We can just spend the money on prisons and mental institutions. They are annoying to look at and bothersome. I don't care how much it costs, get them off my lawn.

Pitchfork51

By being massive faggots.

If there's anything I hate more than the Scottish it's the fucking Scandinavians

HHusky

Pitchfork51 said:

By being massive faggots.

If there's anything I hate more than the Scottish it's the fucking Scandinavians

They’re gonna be pretty hurt.

Southerndawg

Pelosinomics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfP0iddR4lI

Sledog

Lets just send them to Finland. It's a win win!

allpurpleallgold

Southerndawg

allpurpleallgold said:

MikeDamone

Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.




Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off.

Pitchfork51

MikeDamone said:

Why do you shit dicks

@puppylove_sugarsteel

YellowSnow

Have we? ever considered that some may just simply prefer the bum lifestyle as opposed to accepting some sort of shelter and the "rules" that go along with it? The City of Seattle recently "swept" one of the encampments south of Downtown. Of the 30 no person isillegal campers who were all offered shelter beds, only 7 took the City up on their offer.

SFGbob

MikeDamone said:

Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.




Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off.

Isn't it odd that LA County has taken in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants both illegal and legal in the last 10 years yet very few if any of them are part of Los Angeles homeless population. For some reasons they've all been able to find a place to live. How can that be when we're told that homelessness is caused by a lack of affordable housing?

MikeDamone

SFGbob said:

MikeDamone said:

Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.




Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off.

Isn't it odd that LA County has taken in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants both illegal and legal in the last 10 years yet very few if any of them are part of Los Angeles homeless population. For some reasons they've all been able to find a place to live. How can that be when we're told that homelessness is caused by a lack of affordable housing?

Because they aren’t addicted to heroin and/or nuts?

RaceBannon

We should focus on the real issue which is over regulation and lack of housing stock making it harder and harder for working people to buy and in some cases rent

Governments always talk about affordable housing while they actively make it less affordable and blame the builder.

Crazy people gonna be crazy. We decided to stop warehousing them (Reagan!!!!!!!!) and let them free and this is what we get

Yes they need a house first but what kind?

MikeDamone

RaceBannon said:

We should focus on the real issue which is over regulation and lack of housing stock making it harder and harder for working people to buy and in some cases rent

Governments always talk about affordable housing while they actively make it less affordable and blame the builder.

Crazy people gonna be crazy. We decided to stop warehousing them (Reagan!!!!!!!!) and let them free and this is what we get

Yes they need a house first but what kind?

Yeah, but we need to make sure all the new houses have the proper permits, society is compensated for removing trees, the watershed is restored to as it was in 1690, all structures can withstand a 15.9 earthquake, fire suppression is installed in every new house, they are all solar panel ready, and endless protests by the neighbors who want no new development are dealt with. That shit and free, bucko.

SFGbob

YellowSnow said:

Have we? ever considered that some may just simply prefer the bum lifestyle as opposed to accepting some sort of shelter and the "rules" that go along with it? The City of Seattle recently "swept" one of the encampments south of Downtown. Of the 30 no person isillegal campers who were all offered shelter beds, only 7 took the City up on their offer.

It's never been easier to live the "bum lifestyle" in cities like SF and Portland and Seattle then it is now. You can commit pretty much all the property crime you like here in SF and you'll never be prosecuted for it. You can shoot up and get high and or get drunk all day everyday right out on the street and the cops will never bother you. The county will give you money each month simply for being able to fog a mirror. You won't have to work, you won't be hassled by the cops. Get high and party everyday.

And liberals actually believe that allowing people to do this and paying them to do this is compassionate and proof that they are better than those evil conservatives who would pass judgment on this behavior.

creepycoug

SFGbob said:

Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.

MikeDamone

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

Have we? ever considered that some may just simply prefer the bum lifestyle as opposed to accepting some sort of shelter and the "rules" that go along with it? The City of Seattle recently "swept" one of the encampments south of Downtown. Of the 30 no person isillegal campers who were all offered shelter beds, only 7 took the City up on their offer.

It's never been easier to live the "bum lifestyle" in cities like SF and Portland and Seattle then it is now. You can commit pretty much all the property crime you like here in SF and you'll never be prosecuted for it. You can shoot up and get high and or get drunk all day everyday right out on the street and the cops will never bother you. The county will give you money each month simply for being able to fog a mirror. You won't have to work, you won't be hassled by the cops. Get high and party everyday.

And liberals actually believe that allowing people to do this and paying them to do this is compassionate and proof that they are better than those evil conservatives who would pass judgment on this behavior.

Bat shit crazy city council lady in portland is pissed the Oregon Department of Transportation but boulders on their property to keep the hobos from flopping on it.

YellowSnow

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.

There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.