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How Finland Slashed Homelessness by 40%

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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.
    We've always had bums and we've always had junkies and drunks. What's changed that we now have so many of these people living on the streets?
    Well, they? tell me it's the opiod epidemic. I frankly don't know. Sounds plausible, but we've also always had very addictive drugs. Why wasn't there a crack and meth epidemic leading to so much homelessness.
    It’s the opioid epidemic
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,496 Standard Supporter
    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.

    Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.

    UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.

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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 69,707 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.




    Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off.

    It's drug abuse and mental illness. The cost of housing argument is a destructive red herring
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,695 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Even San Diego has a rat problem. Sad to see how far its fallen

    @SFGbob thinks so...wasn't like that when I lived in San Diego County.


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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    MikeDamone said:

    Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.




    Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off.

    What are you talking about??? If we could just lower the price of a cap hill studio to $1500 a month all those bridge junkies would suddenly be able to afford Seattle housing!
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    dflea said:

    Most of the people on the streets are homeless because they're drug addicts and/or crazy. If a fucking house cost $275, they couldn't afford that, either.

    Hey we agree, you’re still a dumbfuck
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    Most of the people on the streets are homeless because they're drug addicts and/or crazy. If a fucking house cost $275, they couldn't afford that, either.

    Hey we agree, you’re still a dumbfuck
    It was bound to happen eventually with you being wrong 99.81% of the time. Here's your .19%. Enjoy it.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    There are about 100 tents along along I-5 between NE 45th and Northgate. They weren't there 12 months ago. I explain to my kids when they ask is that the reason they are there is because they do bad drugs and won't get jobs. You don't want to be like that when you grow up.
    Good parenting. Now all you have to decide is when to show them your stash, before they find it first. G'Luck, Dad.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    SFGbob said:

    Btw, has anyone been to LA lately and driven around town? Talk about a fucking bum explosion. I've not been to Seattle in years but LA is being over run.

    I get a rat in my garage about 1 to 2 times a year. The old Victor traps work great. But I fear I am going to get typhus or plague once the LA rats make their way up to Seattle.

    I fucking hate medieval diseases and measles too (hi @MikeDamone )
    Throw the trap and all in your neighbor's garbage. Problem solved.
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