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How Finland Slashed Homelessness by 40%

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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.

    Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.

    UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.


    That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
    If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.

    People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
    Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?
    Do you have a quote from me or are you making shit up as usual? And no, I don't need the government to move homeless people from me and me neighbors property. We can easily do it ourselves.
    Yes, you supported government intervention in the homeless population. Keep up Mike.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Disagree.

    How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.

    Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.

    UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.


    That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
    If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.

    People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
    Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?
    Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.

    If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears.

    But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?
    The free market would easily take are of it. But you’d cry like a bitch.
    Then why hasn't the free market fixed it?
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2019
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.

    Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.

    UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.


    That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
    If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.

    People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
    Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?
    Do you have a quote from me or are you making shit up as usual? And no, I don't need the government to move homeless people from me and me neighbors property. We can easily do it ourselves.
    Yes, you supported government intervention in the homeless population. Keep up Mike.
    Link? If you’re talking about the Oregon DOT, then you’re a dumbshit because I support the right of anyone to keep the bums off their land, government or private.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,220
    dflea said:

    Most of the people on the streets are homeless because they're drug addicts and/or crazy. If a fucking house cost $275, they couldn't afford that, either.

    Or maybe they could, because the house would quickly become a distribution center and the homeless guy now not homeless would be running it ... at until his brain turned to complete mush and couldn't even manage that.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,220

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.

    Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.

    UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.


    That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
    If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.

    People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
    Word.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,220

    SFGbob said:

    Btw, has anyone been to LA lately and driven around town? Talk about a fucking bum explosion. I've not been to Seattle in years but LA is being over run.

    Seattle is being overrun. No doubt about it.

    Not on the east side ... really at all. But Seattle proper absolutely. From SoDo all the way to Belltown and lower Queen Anne.
    Oh homelessness is heading to the Eastside my friend. More and more in Bellevue all the time.
    Seriously? I haven't been to downtown Bellevue in a while. That's unfortunate.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,181 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2019

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.

    Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.

    UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.


    That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
    If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.

    People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
    Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?
    Do you have a quote from me or are you making shit up as usual? And no, I don't need the government to move homeless people from me and me neighbors property. We can easily do it ourselves.


    Do you move them before or after you shoot them dead?

    Axing for a fren with a compound....

  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,181 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2019
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Btw, has anyone been to LA lately and driven around town? Talk about a fucking bum explosion. I've not been to Seattle in years but LA is being over run.

    I get a rat in my garage about 1 to 2 times a year. The old Victor traps work great. But I fear I am going to get typhus or plague once the LA rats make their way up to Seattle.

    I fucking hate medieval diseases and measles too (hi @MikeDamone )
    Sad, really.

    Worried about u
    U should b. It's fucking gross up here right now.
    Doing fine up here.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,965 Standard Supporter

    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Disagree.

    How many homeless junkies are in your guest room?
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's how you cut homelessness. Enforce vagrancy laws. Don't allow people to camp on the side walks and public parks. If you're mentally ill you should institutionalized. Enforce all laws prohibiting people for doing drugs in public. Get rid of all needle exchange programs. Get rid of all homeless feeding and give-away programs. Enforce all public urination and defecation prohibitions. Start arresting and prosecuting people again for property crimes.

    Shit, we're going to at least semi-agree on this too.

    As much as it pains me to say it though, Hondo may be partially right in that the places these people need to go - institutions and jail - require funding. Prisons fill up fast. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan/Bush war on drugs where we were putting dudes away for extended periods of time for selling pot to other stoners within some distance of a school, judicial sentencing discretion revoked for certain offenses, and we wound up having to let out pretty violent people early to make room for the drug guys doing mandatory long sentences.

    But all that being as it may, making it comfortable and easy to be homeless isn't the answer. It seems to be the humane thing to do ... but in the final analysis it's not.

    The other hurdle you have with institutions is the civil rights crowd and the issue of institutionalizing people against their will.

    The cleanups are a waste of time. They had a big raid in Pioneer Square a month or so back, and a lot of the crazies aren't sleeping here anymore - although they come around because of the two Union Gospel Missions withing 5 blocks of one another - but all they did was relocate and make some other place in Seattle a shit hole.
    We should cyber - I can tell you nightmare tales of this shit.

    Even from the Compound, this shit hits home.

    UGM at least makes the bums clean up and get sober.


    That's not very libertarian of you. If people want to be homeless. Let them.
    If people want to be homeless, they can abide by the same set of rules and laws of society as the rest of us.

    People shit on the sidewalk or shoot up in parks and libraries - fuck that. Not a lot of tax dollars being derived from junkies to pay for those places. They need to go hunker down in the forest if they want to act like savages.
    Oh so you and Mike are only a liberation if homeless people are moved away from your town by the government?
    Shitting in public places has nothing to do with liberty. It’s uncivilized. Spreading disease is not the pursuit or exercise of liberty.

    If they can’t abide by common decency, they should live in the wild where they can shit in the woods with bears.

    But why the government intervention? Shouldn't the free market take care of it like everything else?
    The free hand of capitalism doesn’t scoop shit off public sidewalks.
    Actually it would under the right circumstances.
    If it were truly free, the hand would solve the problem with a baseball bat to the back of the skull.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    SFGbob said:

    Why do you shit dicks not know we already have free and low cost housing for the poor.




    Also, the major reason for homelessness isn’t low wages or the cost of housing. Fuck off.

    Isn't it odd that LA County has taken in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants both illegal and legal in the last 10 years yet very few if any of them are part of Los Angeles homeless population. For some reasons they've all been able to find a place to live. How can that be when we're told that homelessness is caused by a lack of affordable housing?
    Because they aren’t addicted to heroin and/or nuts?
    Cashews are damn tasty though. I can see how one could become addicted to those savory little bastards.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    We should focus on the real issue which is over regulation and lack of housing stock making it harder and harder for working people to buy and in some cases rent

    Governments always talk about affordable housing while they actively make it less affordable and blame the builder.

    Crazy people gonna be crazy. We decided to stop warehousing them (Reagan!!!!!!!!) and let them free and this is what we get

    Yes they need a house first but what kind?

    In Oregon, there is every incentive for developers and existing property owners to offer low income housing and build new ones. But there is only so much real estate close to downtown core areas and developers make much better margin with single family housing developments. Although Portland is now regulating certain zones where any new construction must be multi family housing. That may be the only solution to get inventory up.

    Of course at the end of the day, there will be never be enough inventory, given that the powers that be on the West Coast are begging for illegal immigrants to fill their cities.
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