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Chris Steele grilled by DOJ IG investigators in June for 16 hrs.
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And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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Look at GayBob demand ANSWERS to his questions. 😂SFGbob said:And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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Au contraire, I don't know whether the wire tap was reasonable or unreasonable because I've yet to see the FISA warrant, but I do know that Page not yet bring charged with conspiracy doesn't by rule mean it was unreasonable. Interesting that Trump has teased declassifying the FISA warrant for years now but has yet to do so...bit of a tell dontcha think?SFGbob said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
Mueller notes in this report the multiple difficulties he had in proving that a criminal conspiracy existed including the fact some of these players reside on foreign soil thus out of his jurisdiction to question, people lying to him and people (including the president) not being very forthcoming with information.
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How does his ass taste El Monte?CirrhosisDawg said:
Look at GayBob demand ANSWERS to his questions. 😂SFGbob said:And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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You never asked that question previous to now in this thread so how I could I have previously answered a question you never asked? Surely you can see the difference between a research firm hiring a foreign national to gather information versus a campaign conspiring with a foreign agent.SFGbob said:And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia. -
Muellertards meltdown
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Lot of words just to say you pulled that claim about Mueller limited to only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and Russia squarely out of your ass. The real "tell" is your overly wordy response to everything but the request your were asked for.GDS said:
Au contraire, I don't know whether the wire tap was reasonable or unreasonable because I've yet to see the FISA warrant, but I do know that Page not yet bring charged with conspiracy doesn't by rule mean it was unreasonable. Interesting that Trump has teased declassifying the FISA warrant for years now but has yet to do so...bit of a tell dontcha think?SFGbob said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
Mueller notes in this report the multiple difficulties he had in proving that a criminal conspiracy existed including the fact some of these players reside on foreign soil thus out of his jurisdiction to question, people lying to him and people (including the president) not being very forthcoming with information.
Read the report - it's within the first part of volume 1. -
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BedintheriverFS is accusing other posters of dishonesty and avoiding the truth. When are you going to answer the questions that you have been dishonestly avoiding?Bendintheriver said:And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia. -
He is sitting on a bombshell he claims is in the Mueller report but for some odd reason he can't cite it. Does anyone really believe that Mueller was limited in his investigation to a "pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU?" That's so clearly a line of pure bullshit even El Monte will think twice before tonguing GDS' bunghole.Bendintheriver said:And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia.
