OKC just acquired another first rounder for Grant. Just a crazy amount of draft capital coming down the pipe for them.
This trade was actually a shit trade for them. Grant is a good role player on a decent contract. That pick gets lower by sending him to Denver most likely. The chance they get someone as good as grant with this pick is slim to none. This was the owner saying save me money and I don't care who you trade.
The thing with most of those picks is they will be out of the lottery ... which means they may lead to rotation players instead of Stars
Only way they get stars is to bottom out and win the lottery ... Westbrook swapped w CP3 is the direction that I expect
How will okc bottoming out affect the picks they are getting from the clippers??
They still have their own picks
Teq fs was referencing the clippers picks though.
I didn't read it that way. He said they aren't getting stars with the OKC picks, then said the only way to get stars is to bottom out.
It could have been stated more clearly but I support Teq brevity.
Reading comprehension
The LAC picks will mostly be back half of the first round picks ... they are assets but really mediocre ones
OKC is betting on both the Clippers and Rockets bottoming out in 4-6 years ... if they do they will be in great shape
If they don’t, it’s largely a poo poo platter
Kawhi signed a 2 year contract with a player option for the third year. The first Clippers pick doesn’t come until 2022. You have no idea where those picks will be.
He signed that length/term to coincide with PG13 and ensure that the Clippers continually made moves to stay competitive
Pay attention
I believe at 10 years in the league, the super max is way bigger too.
This is just smart business by Kawhi, and why anyone would think otherwise after his move from SA, to Toronto and now to the Clips has their head in the sand. He is able to sign a 4 year $197M and George can sign and 5 year around $240M when these deals expire. It wouldn't shock me in the least in two years if both george and kawhi have thought out taking less money(a la heat model) to bring in one or two more big players. By 2021-22 most of the roster will be clear of $ and easily molded to whatever they want it to be. And if they don't like the looks of what's happening they can clear out. Good business move by both
The thing with most of those picks is they will be out of the lottery ... which means they may lead to rotation players instead of Stars
Only way they get stars is to bottom out and win the lottery ... Westbrook swapped w CP3 is the direction that I expect
How will okc bottoming out affect the picks they are getting from the clippers??
They still have their own picks
Teq fs was referencing the clippers picks though.
I didn't read it that way. He said they aren't getting stars with the OKC picks, then said the only way to get stars is to bottom out.
It could have been stated more clearly but I support Teq brevity.
IF this was baseball I could understand the whole process more clearly, because you have so many players on a roster and you're trying to add assets everywhere. In the NBA, the draft is watered down after the top 4-5 every year where statistics show you have around a 30% chances of drafting a star within the top 10 and that gets flushed even further as the draft goes down. Getting down to picks 15+(where most of the 1st rounders they have will be) and you're hoping you have a player who can stay on your roster past their rookie deal. They would have to not only bottom out, but get lucky in the lottery to be top 3 multiple times to obtain the stars that might compliment the role players they will be getting.
Long term, fine, someone could argue completely against the above, but also consider you just told your fan base that your team will not be, nor try to be competitive for the next 7 years. Please pay for all our tickets, but we'll be putting an abortion on the floor for the next 5 years and hope we can be competitive in year 6 or 7. Some may say, well the sixers. The new model of draft picks isn't going to allow for completely mailing in a season, or at least largely reduces your chances of gaining a top 3 pick as in previous years.
When OKC trades Paul, and likely Adams, they literally will have zero contracts worth a shit on the board after this year. Gallinari will be gone, the rest of the roster will be gutted. I believe they'd have around $20M on the books. George is the only good player to sign there and he wanted out in a year. Even with space, I'll believe "Max" guys signing in OKC when i see it.
The thing with most of those picks is they will be out of the lottery ... which means they may lead to rotation players instead of Stars
Only way they get stars is to bottom out and win the lottery ... Westbrook swapped w CP3 is the direction that I expect
How will okc bottoming out affect the picks they are getting from the clippers??
They still have their own picks
Teq fs was referencing the clippers picks though.
I didn't read it that way. He said they aren't getting stars with the OKC picks, then said the only way to get stars is to bottom out.
It could have been stated more clearly but I support Teq brevity.
IF this was baseball I could understand the whole process more clearly, because you have so many players on a roster and you're trying to add assets everywhere. In the NBA, the draft is watered down after the top 4-5 every year where statistics show you have around a 30% chances of drafting a star within the top 10 and that gets flushed even further as the draft goes down. Getting down to picks 15+(where most of the 1st rounders they have will be) and you're hoping you have a player who can stay on your roster past their rookie deal. They would have to not only bottom out, but get lucky in the lottery to be top 3 multiple times to obtain the stars that might compliment the role players they will be getting.
Long term, fine, someone could argue completely against the above, but also consider you just told your fan base that your team will not be, nor try to be competitive for the next 7 years. Please pay for all our tickets, but we'll be putting an abortion on the floor for the next 5 years and hope we can be competitive in year 6 or 7. Some may say, well the sixers. The new model of draft picks isn't going to allow for completely mailing in a season, or at least largely reduces your chances of gaining a top 3 pick as in previous years.
When OKC trades Paul, and likely Adams, they literally will have zero contracts worth a shit on the board after this year. Gallinari will be gone, the rest of the roster will be gutted. I believe they'd have around $20M on the books. George is the only good player to sign there and he wanted out in a year. Even with space, I'll believe "Max" guys signing in OKC when i see it.
The only thing I disagree with here is I think the general narrative that the picks will be worthless is short sighted. They *could* be worthless, but things change so incredibly fast in this league that the Clips could be out of the playoffs in three to four years. It's unlikely, but far from impossible. And they have enough picks accumulated that they'll always be a threat to move up.
All that being said, its' going to be a long time before OKC makes the playoffs again unless something really weird happens. I can't wait for their arena to start sitting empty.
The thing with most of those picks is they will be out of the lottery ... which means they may lead to rotation players instead of Stars
Only way they get stars is to bottom out and win the lottery ... Westbrook swapped w CP3 is the direction that I expect
How will okc bottoming out affect the picks they are getting from the clippers??
They still have their own picks
Teq fs was referencing the clippers picks though.
I didn't read it that way. He said they aren't getting stars with the OKC picks, then said the only way to get stars is to bottom out.
It could have been stated more clearly but I support Teq brevity.
IF this was baseball I could understand the whole process more clearly, because you have so many players on a roster and you're trying to add assets everywhere. In the NBA, the draft is watered down after the top 4-5 every year where statistics show you have around a 30% chances of drafting a star within the top 10 and that gets flushed even further as the draft goes down. Getting down to picks 15+(where most of the 1st rounders they have will be) and you're hoping you have a player who can stay on your roster past their rookie deal. They would have to not only bottom out, but get lucky in the lottery to be top 3 multiple times to obtain the stars that might compliment the role players they will be getting.
Long term, fine, someone could argue completely against the above, but also consider you just told your fan base that your team will not be, nor try to be competitive for the next 7 years. Please pay for all our tickets, but we'll be putting an abortion on the floor for the next 5 years and hope we can be competitive in year 6 or 7. Some may say, well the sixers. The new model of draft picks isn't going to allow for completely mailing in a season, or at least largely reduces your chances of gaining a top 3 pick as in previous years.
When OKC trades Paul, and likely Adams, they literally will have zero contracts worth a shit on the board after this year. Gallinari will be gone, the rest of the roster will be gutted. I believe they'd have around $20M on the books. George is the only good player to sign there and he wanted out in a year. Even with space, I'll believe "Max" guys signing in OKC when i see it.
The only thing I disagree with here is I think the general narrative that the picks will be worthless is short sighted. They *could* be worthless, but things change so incredibly fast in this league that the Clips could be out of the playoffs in three to four years. It's unlikely, but far from impossible. And they have enough picks accumulated that they'll always be a threat to move up.
All that being said, its' going to be a long time before OKC makes the playoffs again unless something really weird happens. I can't wait for their arena to start sitting empty.
FCBWARCG
If you can't handle the ups and downs of draft picks you might need a new hobby
The Raptors just won a natty without a lottery pick on their roster.
With this many 1st rounders, Thunder should get lucky with at least a couple of those late 1st picks unless they suck at evals
Who knows if they will be late first rounders in 4-6 years. 4 years ago the top three teams in the East were Atlanta, Cleveland and Chicago. Also they ain't actually using 15 first round picks over the next 7 years. Some of those will get packaged to either move up or trade for other young players. At least they have assets instead of just letting stars walk for nothing.
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It could have been stated more clearly but I support Teq brevity.
The LAC picks will mostly be back half of the first round picks ... they are assets but really mediocre ones
OKC is betting on both the Clippers and Rockets bottoming out in 4-6 years ... if they do they will be in great shape
If they don’t, it’s largely a poo poo platter
He signed that length/term to coincide with PG13 and ensure that the Clippers continually made moves to stay competitive
Pay attention
Long term, fine, someone could argue completely against the above, but also consider you just told your fan base that your team will not be, nor try to be competitive for the next 7 years. Please pay for all our tickets, but we'll be putting an abortion on the floor for the next 5 years and hope we can be competitive in year 6 or 7. Some may say, well the sixers. The new model of draft picks isn't going to allow for completely mailing in a season, or at least largely reduces your chances of gaining a top 3 pick as in previous years.
When OKC trades Paul, and likely Adams, they literally will have zero contracts worth a shit on the board after this year. Gallinari will be gone, the rest of the roster will be gutted. I believe they'd have around $20M on the books. George is the only good player to sign there and he wanted out in a year. Even with space, I'll believe "Max" guys signing in OKC when i see it.
All that being said, its' going to be a long time before OKC makes the playoffs again unless something really weird happens. I can't wait for their arena to start sitting empty.
FCBWARCG
With this many 1st rounders, Thunder should get lucky with at least a couple of those late 1st picks unless they suck at evals