Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
It’s not my first choice but if that’s what it takes.
Waiting for AOC's take before making a decision?
You're going to have to wait until she figures out how a garbage disposal works and whether or not it's environmentally friendly. It's going to be awhile.
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.
Huh? I was simply linking the articles that people often cite when making the claims being discussed. And as usual, you clearly didn’t read both articles or you wouldn’t have made such a dumb ass post. Christ you’re a fucking idiot. I made no claims of took no position. You’re a fuck wit that can’t even figure out what’s going on in a tread 99.9% of the time. Fuck head.
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.
Huh? I was simply linking the articles that people often cite when making the claims being discussed. Christ you’re a fucking idiot. I made no claims of took no position. You’re a fuck wit that can’t even figure out what’s going on in a tread 99.9% of the time. Fuck head.
Lol read your post. Your clearly said "antic Antarctic ice looks to have been a record". Then linked to an article that only talked about Sea ice.
Nice walk back tho with your "I said no such thing.... It's you who didn't know what was going on." El oh fucking El Mike.
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?
it becomes sea ice?
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTH
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass. If anything it helped make your original case. But you’re to dumb to even figure that out. Tell me more about c corps self employment taxes. Idiot
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?
it becomes sea ice?
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTH
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Actually you are correct, I didn't read it. I can't where I'm at, internet barely allows me in this shit hole website. That being said. Read the words in bold Mike. Again... Using Antarctic Sea ice as a data point is fucktarded. You have to look at combined land and sea ice. Cause you know. The Antarctic is mostly land.
Please let me know when you actually understand what I've written 8 times now.
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?
it becomes sea ice?
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTH
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Actually you are correct, I didn't read it. I can't where I'm at, internet barely allows me in this shit hole website. That being said. Read the words in bold Mike. Again... Using Antarctic Sea ice as a data point is fucktarded. You have to look at combined land and sea ice. Cause you know. The Antarctic is mostly land.
Please let me know when you actually understand what I've written 8 times now.
Shut the fuck up then. I fucking know what it said, I linked because it talked about total ice, which was the link you asked for, then you don’t read it because of your normal dumbshit excuses, but still want to argue about it. This single post sums your entire existence here. My God, you should be embarrassed, but you’re to stupid to even realize it.
A summary of what he (and other religious fanatics) are saying...the ice around Antarctica is growing because the "land ice" on Antarctica (which is further South and much colder) is somehow melting off. Even through Antarctic temperatures have been getting colder (specifically all 11 stations there have shown an even to cooling trend over the last 30+ years despite all climate "models" saying they should be warming), and despite actual measurements of Antarctic land ice increasing (which sends the global warming...er...climate change fanatics into seizures...) https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
Global Warming...er...climate change is a religion on worse footing than Scientology.
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?
it becomes sea ice?
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTH
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Actually you are correct, I didn't read it. I can't where I'm at, internet barely allows me in this shit hole website. That being said. Read the words in bold Mike. Again... Using Antarctic Sea ice as a data point is fucktarded. You have to look at combined land and sea ice. Cause you know. The Antarctic is mostly land.
Please let me know when you actually understand what I've written 8 times now.
Then do yourself a favor and actually read the article next time before spouting off your bullshit. And as Damone said, the article actually explains why this is likely the result of climate change, but you wouldn't know that since you never bother reading anything or educating yourself on a topic. So as counterintuitive as expanding winter Antarctic sea ice may appear on a warming planet, it may actually be a manifestation of recent warming. "Both the Arctic and the Antarctic are responding to climate change, and both have areas that are warming rapidly," explains NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. "But Antarctic sea ice is responding to wind shifts and ocean changes in an unexpected way, and we're still trying to fully understand it."
Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.
Here is what he said:
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.
Huh? I was simply linking the articles that people often cite when making the claims being discussed. Christ you’re a fucking idiot. I made no claims of took no position. You’re a fuck wit that can’t even figure out what’s going on in a tread 99.9% of the time. Fuck head.
Lol read your post. Your clearly said "antic Antarctic ice looks to have been a record". Then linked to an article that only talked about Sea ice.
Nice walk back tho with your "I said no such thing.... It's you who didn't know what was going on." El oh fucking El Mike.
And Hondo asserted this by not reading the link. El oh fucking El Hondo. JFC. This is comedy gold.
How do you plan to make nuclear price competitive with renewables and natural gas? There's a reason why you never see nukes in an IRP, it's prohibitively expensive with current technology. If you're a nuke advocate then you should also be pushing hard for a carbon price...which I've never seen you do.
I'm glad you entered the discussion. You and I both know renewables don't work for night time baseload without some other form of battery than we currently have.
I advocate subsidies for nukes, reducing red tape from the EPA, and using imminent domain around NIMBY-ism (Yuka Mountain). Those would all reduce costs.
Natural Gas has it's own issues but getting India and China off of coal and onto Natural Gas would probably reduce emissions by more than anything the US could do. Other than what we are currently doing(exporting) I'm not sure what we can do to encourage that though.
I'm not on the all renewables bandwagon. Natural gas right now is filling a need that no other resource can provide including nuclear. The debate should center on what can replace gas, and right now the answer is nothing. There is a lot of promising technology but no silver bullet.
In terms of making nukes more economical I'm skeptical of the cut red tape argument without any specifics. They are expensive to build in the US until they arent. It also doesn't really make sense to build a new conventional nuke unless it's used as replacement for an existing baseload plant since electricity demand right now is flat.
A direct federal subsidy would have to be huge...like 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a nuclear plant to make it competitive with natural gas or renewables. I would rather have a more market based incentives like carbon price or wholesale market mechanism that better values on demand dispatch...the second point is already being discussed in most regional markets.
Even if you're not a fan of a carbon price I would still argue that federal money would be better spent investing in R & D than direct funding construction of existing nuclear technology. Seems more important to figure out the technology that can actually replace natural gas before putting shovels in the ground and going hard in a certain direction.
Agree on gas. I'm not sure we need a replacement so much as we need to "budget in" its emissions until that new tech is found.
I wouldn't really build "new" nuke stations. We've been actively decommissioning here in CA.
You mean like the subsidies we've been spending on Solar? Again, I'm speaking from a CA perspective. I'm not a fan of carbon pricing in any proposal I have heard so far in that most of them require formations of large government bodies to handle and lots of policing, enforcement, etc. of a commonly found gas. I'm happy to hear what you have to propose though and think on it. It's really a question of how to calculate in external costs and whether you want to do that through stick or carrot.
I regularly advocate for government money for further R&D into energy and other sectors. It's the type of thing that separates me from @MikeDamone and makes me not a real classic lib.
If we're talking about doing more to keep existing nukes operational than I'm on board. I'm surprised you're not excited about the Diablo Canyon decomission....I know how much you like long walks on the beach at San Onofre.
California has gone overboard on it's renewable incentives. Super aggressive policies that are changing market dynamics faster than CAISO and it's utilities can adapt. It's a good that more utilities, especially the hydro heavy ones in the Northwest, are joining the CAISO Energy Imbalance Market.
For Carbon Price it's a hard sell. It's a lesser of 2 evils argument kind of like UBI. There was a carbon dividend proposal floating around a few years ago that was being pushed by a conservative group called The Climate Leaders that I liked. Flat tax on carbon with regulatory simplification. Phase out a long list of EPA regulations and state incentives.
I'm with you on the R & D and respect that you lean a little differently on this issue. The DOE National Labs system is underappreciated.
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Forget the end of the world; Scientific American says climate change is affecting soccer now
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/07/02/forget-the-end-of-the-world-scientific-american-says-climate-change-is-affecting-soccer-now/
Nice walk back tho with your "I said no such thing.... It's you who didn't know what was going on." El oh fucking El Mike.
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Please let me know when you actually understand what I've written 8 times now.
A summary of what he (and other religious fanatics) are saying...the ice around Antarctica is growing because the "land ice" on Antarctica (which is further South and much colder) is somehow melting off. Even through Antarctic temperatures have been getting colder (specifically all 11 stations there have shown an even to cooling trend over the last 30+ years despite all climate "models" saying they should be warming), and despite actual measurements of Antarctic land ice increasing (which sends the global warming...er...climate change fanatics into seizures...)
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
Global Warming...er...climate change is a religion on worse footing than Scientology.
So as counterintuitive as expanding winter Antarctic sea ice may appear on a warming planet, it may actually be a manifestation of recent warming. "Both the Arctic and the Antarctic are responding to climate change, and both have areas that are warming rapidly," explains NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. "But Antarctic sea ice is responding to wind shifts and ocean changes in an unexpected way, and we're still trying to fully understand it."
California has gone overboard on it's renewable incentives. Super aggressive policies that are changing market dynamics faster than CAISO and it's utilities can adapt. It's a good that more utilities, especially the hydro heavy ones in the Northwest, are joining the CAISO Energy Imbalance Market.
For Carbon Price it's a hard sell. It's a lesser of 2 evils argument kind of like UBI. There was a carbon dividend proposal floating around a few years ago that was being pushed by a conservative group called The Climate Leaders that I liked. Flat tax on carbon with regulatory simplification. Phase out a long list of EPA regulations and state incentives.
I'm with you on the R & D and respect that you lean a little differently on this issue. The DOE National Labs system is underappreciated.