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Antarctica has lost more ice in four years than the Arctic has in 34 years
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You're dog whistling by conflating these issues will not stand.HustlinOwl said:
Proportion is certainly important. Like Bob's argument that there's a higher proportion of blacks in prison than whites simply because they're black.salemcoog said:
What a retarded article.Gwad said:https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/02/antarctica-has-lost-more-ice-in-four-years-than-the-arctic-has-in-34-years
Not sure if climate change is real. I'm gonna wait to see if food keeps showing up at my local grocery store.
The Arctic Circle has relativity little land mass compared to the Antarctic. So.... therefore there is exponentially more ice in Antarctica.
So when you have a quatrillion ice cubes stacked up and it gets above freezing, you are gonna lose a lot more ice cubes than the area that has a few billion ice cubes stacked up. -
Ice is unsafe. Think about all the accidents you've had while slipping on ice. I am FOR melting the ice.
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I blame the Paris Climate Accord. It was signed at the end of 2015 and ice levels suddenly dropped afterwards. Trump announced in June of 2016 that the US was withdrawing and the ice levels started going up again (as they did from 1979-2015.)
Much better correlation than to CO2... -
Yes, and polar land mass disqualifies all scientific data. Dumbfuck.salemcoog said:
You're dog whistling by conflating these issues will not stand.HustlinOwl said:
Proportion is certainly important. Like Bob's argument that there's a higher proportion of blacks in prison than whites simply because they're black.salemcoog said:
What a retarded article.Gwad said:https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/02/antarctica-has-lost-more-ice-in-four-years-than-the-arctic-has-in-34-years
Not sure if climate change is real. I'm gonna wait to see if food keeps showing up at my local grocery store.
The Arctic Circle has relativity little land mass compared to the Antarctic. So.... therefore there is exponentially more ice in Antarctica.
So when you have a quatrillion ice cubes stacked up and it gets above freezing, you are gonna lose a lot more ice cubes than the area that has a few billion ice cubes stacked up. -
Agree on gas. I'm not sure we need a replacement so much as we need to "budget in" its emissions until that new tech is found.RedRocket said:
I'm not on the all renewables bandwagon. Natural gas right now is filling a need that no other resource can provide including nuclear. The debate should center on what can replace gas, and right now the answer is nothing. There is a lot of promising technology but no silver bullet.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm glad you entered the discussion. You and I both know renewables don't work for night time baseload without some other form of battery than we currently have.RedRocket said:
How do you plan to make nuclear price competitive with renewables and natural gas? There's a reason why you never see nukes in an IRP, it's prohibitively expensive with current technology. If you're a nuke advocate then you should also be pushing hard for a carbon price...which I've never seen you do.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So you are on board with nuclear then yes?allpurpleallgold said:
I advocate subsidies for nukes, reducing red tape from the EPA, and using imminent domain around NIMBY-ism (Yuka Mountain). Those would all reduce costs.
Natural Gas has it's own issues but getting India and China off of coal and onto Natural Gas would probably reduce emissions by more than anything the US could do. Other than what we are currently doing(exporting) I'm not sure what we can do to encourage that though.
In terms of making nukes more economical I'm skeptical of the cut red tape argument without any specifics. They are expensive to build in the US until they arent. It also doesn't really make sense to build a new conventional nuke unless it's used as replacement for an existing baseload plant since electricity demand right now is flat.
A direct federal subsidy would have to be huge...like 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a nuclear plant to make it competitive with natural gas or renewables. I would rather have a more market based incentives like carbon price or wholesale market mechanism that better values on demand dispatch...the second point is already being discussed in most regional markets.
Even if you're not a fan of a carbon price I would still argue that federal money would be better spent investing in R & D than direct funding construction of existing nuclear technology. Seems more important to figure out the technology that can actually replace natural gas before putting shovels in the ground and going hard in a certain direction.
I wouldn't really build "new" nuke stations. We've been actively decommissioning here in CA.
You mean like the subsidies we've been spending on Solar? Again, I'm speaking from a CA perspective. I'm not a fan of carbon pricing in any proposal I have heard so far in that most of them require formations of large government bodies to handle and lots of policing, enforcement, etc. of a commonly found gas. I'm happy to hear what you have to propose though and think on it. It's really a question of how to calculate in external costs and whether you want to do that through stick or carrot.
I regularly advocate for government money for further R&D into energy and other sectors. It's the type of thing that separates me from @MikeDamone and makes me not a real classic lib. -
Wait...the left wants to ban ICE but complains about the lack of ice.
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Sea ice and Ice caps aren't mutually exclusive sheeple.HustlinOwl said:
Yes, and polar land mass disqualifies all scientific data. Dumbfuck.salemcoog said:
You're dog whistling by conflating these issues will not stand.HustlinOwl said:
Proportion is certainly important. Like Bob's argument that there's a higher proportion of blacks in prison than whites simply because they're black.salemcoog said:
What a retarded article.Gwad said:https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/02/antarctica-has-lost-more-ice-in-four-years-than-the-arctic-has-in-34-years
Not sure if climate change is real. I'm gonna wait to see if food keeps showing up at my local grocery store.
The Arctic Circle has relativity little land mass compared to the Antarctic. So.... therefore there is exponentially more ice in Antarctica.
So when you have a quatrillion ice cubes stacked up and it gets above freezing, you are gonna lose a lot more ice cubes than the area that has a few billion ice cubes stacked up. -
The government subsidy for nukes would be to commit to a standard design and permitting process. When we build a new nuclear navy ship we don’t custom design a new nuclear engine. All the over budget nuclear plants are custom non-standardized plants that then are delayed while engineering problems are dealt with during the construction process instead of before the construction process. Then toss in a massively inefficient permitting process.
If combined cycle natural gas plants remain cheaper than nukes, then let the state public utility commissions and state legislatures decide what they want to replace base load coal plants with. If Cali wants base load electricity then they can figure out what they want to buy. Nukes should be a lot cheaper than batteries. If it is cloudy and the wind doesn’t blow for a week, that is a sh*t load of back up batteries that you will need. Either that or freeze in the dark.
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Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
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Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum -
HondoFS going to HondoFS...MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
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It’s too late to save soccer!
Forget the end of the world; Scientific American says climate change is affecting soccer now
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/07/02/forget-the-end-of-the-world-scientific-american-says-climate-change-is-affecting-soccer-now/ -
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum -
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum -
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum -
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum -
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum -
Waiting for AOC's take before making a decision?allpurpleallgold said:
It’s not my first choice but if that’s what it takes.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So you are on board with nuclear then yes?allpurpleallgold said: -
You're going to have to wait until she figures out how a garbage disposal works and whether or not it's environmentally friendly. It's going to be awhile.DerekJohnson said:
Waiting for AOC's take before making a decision?allpurpleallgold said:
It’s not my first choice but if that’s what it takes.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So you are on board with nuclear then yes?allpurpleallgold said: -
Huh? I was simply linking the articles that people often cite when making the claims being discussed. And as usual, you clearly didn’t read both articles or you wouldn’t have made such a dumb ass post. Christ you’re a fucking idiot. I made no claims of took no position. You’re a fuck wit that can’t even figure out what’s going on in a tread 99.9% of the time. Fuck head.2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum -
Lol read your post. Your clearly said "antic Antarctic ice looks to have been a record". Then linked to an article that only talked about Sea ice.MikeDamone said:
Huh? I was simply linking the articles that people often cite when making the claims being discussed. Christ you’re a fucking idiot. I made no claims of took no position. You’re a fuck wit that can’t even figure out what’s going on in a tread 99.9% of the time. Fuck head.2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
Nice walk back tho with your "I said no such thing.... It's you who didn't know what was going on." El oh fucking El Mike. -
2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass. If anything it helped make your original case. But you’re to dumb to even figure that out. Tell me more about c corps self employment taxes. Idiot2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).” -
Actually you are correct, I didn't read it. I can't where I'm at, internet barely allows me in this shit hole website. That being said. Read the words in bold Mike. Again... Using Antarctic Sea ice as a data point is fucktarded. You have to look at combined land and sea ice. Cause you know. The Antarctic is mostly land.MikeDamone said:2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Please let me know when you actually understand what I've written 8 times now. -
Shut the fuck up then. I fucking know what it said, I linked because it talked about total ice, which was the link you asked for, then you don’t read it because of your normal dumbshit excuses, but still want to argue about it. This single post sums your entire existence here. My God, you should be embarrassed, but you’re to stupid to even realize it.2001400ex said:
Actually you are correct, I didn't read it. I can't where I'm at, internet barely allows me in this shit hole website. That being said. Read the words in bold Mike. Again... Using Antarctic Sea ice as a data point is fucktarded. You have to look at combined land and sea ice. Cause you know. The Antarctic is mostly land.MikeDamone said:2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Please let me know when you actually understand what I've written 8 times now. -
HondoFS continues to be HondoFS...
A summary of what he (and other religious fanatics) are saying...the ice around Antarctica is growing because the "land ice" on Antarctica (which is further South and much colder) is somehow melting off. Even through Antarctic temperatures have been getting colder (specifically all 11 stations there have shown an even to cooling trend over the last 30+ years despite all climate "models" saying they should be warming), and despite actual measurements of Antarctic land ice increasing (which sends the global warming...er...climate change fanatics into seizures...)
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
Global Warming...er...climate change is a religion on worse footing than Scientology.
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Then do yourself a favor and actually read the article next time before spouting off your bullshit. And as Damone said, the article actually explains why this is likely the result of climate change, but you wouldn't know that since you never bother reading anything or educating yourself on a topic.2001400ex said:
Actually you are correct, I didn't read it. I can't where I'm at, internet barely allows me in this shit hole website. That being said. Read the words in bold Mike. Again... Using Antarctic Sea ice as a data point is fucktarded. You have to look at combined land and sea ice. Cause you know. The Antarctic is mostly land.MikeDamone said:2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
Clearly you didn’t read the links. Dumbass2001400ex said:
Both of his links were clearly Sea ice in Antarctic. HTHUWerentThereMan said:
is it because sea ice versus land ice; or because they're on opposite sides of the planet?2001400ex said:
Exactly. And taking Sea ice data. And saying it relates to all of the Antarctic is fucktarded.UWerentThereMan said:
it becomes sea ice?2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike?MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
“Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The ice extent stayed above this benchmark extent for several days. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was 7.23 million square miles (18.72 million square kilometers).”
Please let me know when you actually understand what I've written 8 times now.
So as counterintuitive as expanding winter Antarctic sea ice may appear on a warming planet, it may actually be a manifestation of recent warming. "Both the Arctic and the Antarctic are responding to climate change, and both have areas that are warming rapidly," explains NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. "But Antarctic sea ice is responding to wind shifts and ocean changes in an unexpected way, and we're still trying to fully understand it." -
And Hondo asserted this by not reading the link. El oh fucking El Hondo. JFC. This is comedy gold.2001400ex said:
Lol read your post. Your clearly said "antic Antarctic ice looks to have been a record". Then linked to an article that only talked about Sea ice.MikeDamone said:
Huh? I was simply linking the articles that people often cite when making the claims being discussed. Christ you’re a fucking idiot. I made no claims of took no position. You’re a fuck wit that can’t even figure out what’s going on in a tread 99.9% of the time. Fuck head.2001400ex said:
Do you understand what Sea ice is? Do you understand that the Antarctic is mostly land? What happens when land ice falls into the sea Mike? Relating Sea ice data to total ice in Antarctic is fucktarded. You should know better.MikeDamone said:
Here is what he said:2001400ex said:
Holy fuck you are lying your ass off. Show where Gore said they'd be melted. And it's bullshit that 2014 was a record rear for ice coverage. Use your brain.HoustonHusky said:Gore had said way back when that the ice caps were going to melt by 2014. 2014 ended up being a record year for ice coverage in Antartica.
This looks like AOC's prediction might come true? From the paper...
“Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”
Antarctic ice looks to have been a record.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/antarctic-winter-sea-ice-extent-sets-new-record-2014
Arctic ice decreased.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
Nice walk back tho with your "I said no such thing.... It's you who didn't know what was going on." El oh fucking El Mike. -
Glad to see that Hondo could jump in and elevate the level of discussion in a thread yet again.
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If we're talking about doing more to keep existing nukes operational than I'm on board. I'm surprised you're not excited about the Diablo Canyon decomission....I know how much you like long walks on the beach at San Onofre.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Agree on gas. I'm not sure we need a replacement so much as we need to "budget in" its emissions until that new tech is found.RedRocket said:
I'm not on the all renewables bandwagon. Natural gas right now is filling a need that no other resource can provide including nuclear. The debate should center on what can replace gas, and right now the answer is nothing. There is a lot of promising technology but no silver bullet.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm glad you entered the discussion. You and I both know renewables don't work for night time baseload without some other form of battery than we currently have.RedRocket said:
How do you plan to make nuclear price competitive with renewables and natural gas? There's a reason why you never see nukes in an IRP, it's prohibitively expensive with current technology. If you're a nuke advocate then you should also be pushing hard for a carbon price...which I've never seen you do.UW_Doog_Bot said:
So you are on board with nuclear then yes?allpurpleallgold said:
I advocate subsidies for nukes, reducing red tape from the EPA, and using imminent domain around NIMBY-ism (Yuka Mountain). Those would all reduce costs.
Natural Gas has it's own issues but getting India and China off of coal and onto Natural Gas would probably reduce emissions by more than anything the US could do. Other than what we are currently doing(exporting) I'm not sure what we can do to encourage that though.
In terms of making nukes more economical I'm skeptical of the cut red tape argument without any specifics. They are expensive to build in the US until they arent. It also doesn't really make sense to build a new conventional nuke unless it's used as replacement for an existing baseload plant since electricity demand right now is flat.
A direct federal subsidy would have to be huge...like 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a nuclear plant to make it competitive with natural gas or renewables. I would rather have a more market based incentives like carbon price or wholesale market mechanism that better values on demand dispatch...the second point is already being discussed in most regional markets.
Even if you're not a fan of a carbon price I would still argue that federal money would be better spent investing in R & D than direct funding construction of existing nuclear technology. Seems more important to figure out the technology that can actually replace natural gas before putting shovels in the ground and going hard in a certain direction.
I wouldn't really build "new" nuke stations. We've been actively decommissioning here in CA.
You mean like the subsidies we've been spending on Solar? Again, I'm speaking from a CA perspective. I'm not a fan of carbon pricing in any proposal I have heard so far in that most of them require formations of large government bodies to handle and lots of policing, enforcement, etc. of a commonly found gas. I'm happy to hear what you have to propose though and think on it. It's really a question of how to calculate in external costs and whether you want to do that through stick or carrot.
I regularly advocate for government money for further R&D into energy and other sectors. It's the type of thing that separates me from @MikeDamone and makes me not a real classic lib.
California has gone overboard on it's renewable incentives. Super aggressive policies that are changing market dynamics faster than CAISO and it's utilities can adapt. It's a good that more utilities, especially the hydro heavy ones in the Northwest, are joining the CAISO Energy Imbalance Market.
For Carbon Price it's a hard sell. It's a lesser of 2 evils argument kind of like UBI. There was a carbon dividend proposal floating around a few years ago that was being pushed by a conservative group called The Climate Leaders that I liked. Flat tax on carbon with regulatory simplification. Phase out a long list of EPA regulations and state incentives.
I'm with you on the R & D and respect that you lean a little differently on this issue. The DOE National Labs system is underappreciated.
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You interlectuals are boring anyway. I'm just here to tell people to fuck offUW_Doog_Bot said:Glad to see that Hondo could jump in and elevate the level of discussion in a thread yet again.
