@CallMeBigErn are you purpedawgfan from doogman? I haven't seen anyone so play thought police on a Husky bored since I was last there.
Here's a tip...we, us message board slobs, don't need to give him more of a chance as you demand. We don't make the decisions. We post thoughts on a fucking forum and have all the leeway in the world to be wrong. Why? Because it doesn't fucking matter. Everyone realizes that except you and purpedawgfan.
Was I not just sharing my viewpoint like anyone else? "Give Jimmy a chance to prove himself on the field" = thought police? What else was there? Did this hit a nerve because I'm right? Is your rational side screaming to come out from the abyss?
Fuck off, Chuckles.
A nerve? Um, no. I like you and wish you'd stop embarrassing yourself purp, that's all. Eventually you're going to tire of waving your pompoms only to be down voted and mocked and drift away. I'd rather you didn't.
I think you need to reread my post, Chuckoslovakia. It was pretty matter of fact. Recruiting isn't going well, despite some high-ceiling dudes I like, I theorized a couple logical reasons for why Jimmy is failing (beyond having some shitty recruiters), I explained why I'm still in wait-and-see mode until this season has started/is over, I expect to have a very good team this season, I explained why we BETTER have a very good team this season, and if we don't we could very well be fucked. It's not an unreasonable theory to say that this season is what will cause us to sink or swim. Pompoms? I hope we win, yes. Go team go. Beat the opponent soundly. I'm not seeing what you're going on about. I recommend stepping away from the keyboard. Maybe go fly fishing.
1. When there is a gap of more than 10 spots in the 247 talent composite the more talented team wins something like ~80-85% of the time. I can’t find the stat and I’m afraid I’ll have to do it myself, but better.
1b. Kind of obvious but Wisconsin, USC, Texas, etc do their best to drive the percentage down.
2. 2016 Washington was ranked 24th in the composite, out of their 14 games these were the teams ranked higher: Oregon 21, Stanford 17, USC 2, Alabama 1. Chalk says 10-4 but they went +2 for 12-2, losing to the two teams 10+ spots higher. Breakdown 2016 Stanford: 1 5-star, 27 4-stars 2016 Oregon: 1 5-star, 23 4-stars 2016 Washington: 21 4-stars 2000-2021 Boise State:
Note: Oregon played 17 blue chips and UW 16 in their 70-21 thrashing by my count. 8/22 Oregon starters were freshmen or redshirt freshmen. Of those 17 blue chips: 10 were WRs, RBs, or TEs. UW had double the blue chips on DL and OL.
3. Recruiting rankings have become a lot more accurate since 247 joined the business and began producing the composite. Why? Hudl, Twitter, more scouting employees, 7 on 7, camps, whatever - most likely better communication and more resources.
4. Connected to the above, team recruiting is becoming more predictive of success. Besides 2014 Oregon name the lowest recruiting team to win a playoff game out of the 21 that have been played...
5. If your initial thought is that number four isn’t relevant or something you need to concern yourself with... you’re right, you’re a Pac-12 fan and I have to remind myself I am as well. But false hope/delusion, along with corruption, tradition, and illiteracy are the cornerstones of college football.
I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to demonstrate here. Despite Covid opt outs, condensed conference only scheduling, contact tracing, etc the composite one again showed the correlation.
Unless the intention is to mislead and bamboozle why does the list start at 5 but skip 8 and 9? Is it because 2, 3, 4, and 8 made the playoffs while 1 and 9 won the Peach and Cotton Bowls? I think 7th Florida can be excused for making the Cotton Bowl and their losses to 2, 6, 9, and 11.
In summary: With the exception of #5 Texas and #6 LSU all the teams 1-12 either went to the playoff, NY6 Bowl, or the conference championship game. All the five big conference champions came from the top-12. #5 Texas fired their coach for underachieving. #6 LSU had opt outs from their top players, satiated after winning the national championship the year prior. #14 and #15 also fired their coaches.
Coaches of teams in the top-15 had this option: * Get to playoffs, conference championship game, or an NY6 bowl. Ten achieved this. * Be the defending national champion. One achieved this. * Get fired. Three achieved this. * Be James Franklin. One achieved this.
How about a non Covid season, like 2019? Here are the final AP poll rankings and their team talent rank. 1. LSU: 5 2. Clemson: 9 3. Ohio State: 2 4. Georgia: 3 5. Oregon: 17 6. Florida: 15 7. Oklahoma: 9 8. Alabama: 1 9. Penn State: 11 10. Minnesota: 42
Only two out of the top ten weren’t top-15 in talent. One was 17th and had a QB who would break the rookie passing records. The other was an impressive 42nd, but they also had one win against a conference opponent with a winning record. PJ Fleck has his Row the Boat schtick, and he’s shown he’s capable of getting into the top ten with Jimmy Lake type recruits. He’d be a good fit.
Who doesn’t PGOS get into whiny pissing matches with?
Real fans
If you actually read my post that ruffled your feathers so much, I didn't say I wanted the Huskies to lose. I said I didn't want Jimmy to win because in my mind he's dropped the ball way too many times on basic stuff. He steps into a great position and the 1 thing he has done well is keep that initial class together that Pete bailed on. His recruiting has been subpar and that was supposed to be a strong point.
You want the Huskies to win but you want their head coach to lose.
That makes perfect sense, thanks for clearing that up.
"He steps into a great position and the 1 thing he has done well is keep that initial class together that Pete bailed on. His recruiting has been subpar and that was supposed to be a strong point."
Like I said, youre a recrooting doog. It's okay to admit it, there are a lot of your ilk.
You want a new shiny Sark like coach to bring the sizzle and the 4 stars.
Non recrooting doogFS posters understand that winning the fucking games is all that matters at the end of the day. Could care less if it was a roster full of 5 stars or a bunch of 2 star walkons.
Not only that, they understand that as momentum builds within a program, recruiting improves. Iowa State is signing 4 stars now because their coach won the fucking games.
I know this is difficult to grasp. I really do. You like the excitement of teenage drama and you oogle over pictures of 17 year olds.
UW is a program where the momentum stalled in 2019, then a global pandemic hit. Many people, including recruits, are in wait and see mode in regards to the program. Myself included.
A big 2021 season, beating Michigan, winning the conference, will spell better recruiting moving forward.
A runner up, 9-3 type season may or may not be cause for concern.
Anything less than that and fire Jimmy.
Fucking idiot. Hth.
Recruiting is vital, but I’ve never given a shit about three seasons from now. I expect to be good this season and that’s all I really care about, or at least what I care about most.
Losing Ebuka and JTT is bad. We need to get the elite guys that are right there. I don’t really give a shit about the rest of the guys.
Recruiting matters. Just not as much as good coaching. Our best season in 30 years was with a bunch of fringe top 25 type classes.
The results worsened as the recruiting inched closer to the top 10.
Its better to have higher ranked recruits than the alternative. But you can win, especially in the Pac 12, with borderline top 25 talent.
Even against Bama, I will die believing scheme was the biggest issues
This is true on the Pac level but not on a national level, but even by this standard you should be concerned. Jimmy isn't recruiting at that level. The only thing that kept his 2021 class in that range was having Sam who didn't commit to Jimmy. Jimmy has taken 23 commitments from kids who signed here or haven't decommitted yet. Only 5 of those are 4 star kids. None are five stars. 21% four stars isn't going to get the job done consistently and sustainably.
That would be concerning anytime.
It's especially an issue given the high level of in state talent of the classes in question.
UW didnt have the same talent Penn State or Ohio State did.
But the talent didnt lose them those games. The team starting sluggish, due mostly to the offensive scheme, was the problem
When UW finally woke up and the playcalling got dialed in, combined with desperation, made the final scores within one possession
Talent matters, but you dont have to out talent those teams to win. We were recruiting at the fabled 40% blue chip rate and went fucking 8-5, right @RaceBannon
If Jimmy wins he will be legitimized and the recruiting will greatly improve. Not worried about it.
If he loses, he gets fired and this is moot.
We didn't lose because of talent, because our 2016-18 teams were extremely talented. Recruiting rankings are not the same as talent. But in order to reliably be as talented as those teams you have to recruit better.
The amount of good players we got from the early Pete classes was a miracle, it's not something that's easy to replicate. 3*s aren't magically coached up better than 4*s. Just because we built a great team in 2016 with 3*s does not mean it's likely to happen again! I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
Christ.
My point is that coaching is much more important than whether starters are 3 stars or 4 stars.
3 stars get coached up all the time to be better than the 4 stars they are competing with, either on their own team for a roster spot or on the other team on Fall Saturdays
I dont know why this is so hard to understand
You can do more with more PGOS, come on.
Washington did that. Once
And we? are still paying for it 30 years later
Its a culture and the culture is the greatest setting and some winning but not too much and leave the cash at home when recruiting
That lesson was ignored 20 years ago and we are still paying for that too
I don't accept that the mildly competent soft fucking loser Petersen is the best we could hope for here. Nick Urban Day Switzer is the best we could hope for
Why we don't is where your angst should be directed
Some of the most vocal here -- Hi @PostGameOrangeSlices -- are happy with a 9-3 Alamo winner.
You guys are the definition of delusional old timer message board fans. Which is great, it's funny, but its the truth. Im a fan of the truth and tend to live in reality here in my advanced age of nearly 30.
This fucking program has done nothing except for a flash in the pan Rose Bowl trophy in 30 years, and a playoff participant trophy.
Pac 12 titles are pretty meh with how the conference has performed...but lets stretch reality a bit and say that UW has 4 conference titles in 30 years.
That is the program youre a fan of. This isnt Alabama or Ohio State. This is a B tier program that will probably remain a B tier program. Hell, it nosedived to a D tier program for 10 years!
So yeah, a second year head coach gets to stick around after a 9-3 season. I wouldn't celebrate it, but Id be willing to give him year 3 to win the conference or LEAVE
Learn the fucking difference
UW record since Natty:
Bama since 1992:
Ohio State since 1992:
USC since 1992:
Oregon since 1992:
Nice try but UW has to play nine conference games every year
Who doesn’t PGOS get into whiny pissing matches with?
Real fans
If you actually read my post that ruffled your feathers so much, I didn't say I wanted the Huskies to lose. I said I didn't want Jimmy to win because in my mind he's dropped the ball way too many times on basic stuff. He steps into a great position and the 1 thing he has done well is keep that initial class together that Pete bailed on. His recruiting has been subpar and that was supposed to be a strong point.
You want the Huskies to win but you want their head coach to lose.
That makes perfect sense, thanks for clearing that up.
"He steps into a great position and the 1 thing he has done well is keep that initial class together that Pete bailed on. His recruiting has been subpar and that was supposed to be a strong point."
Like I said, youre a recrooting doog. It's okay to admit it, there are a lot of your ilk.
You want a new shiny Sark like coach to bring the sizzle and the 4 stars.
Non recrooting doogFS posters understand that winning the fucking games is all that matters at the end of the day. Could care less if it was a roster full of 5 stars or a bunch of 2 star walkons.
Not only that, they understand that as momentum builds within a program, recruiting improves. Iowa State is signing 4 stars now because their coach won the fucking games.
I know this is difficult to grasp. I really do. You like the excitement of teenage drama and you oogle over pictures of 17 year olds.
UW is a program where the momentum stalled in 2019, then a global pandemic hit. Many people, including recruits, are in wait and see mode in regards to the program. Myself included.
A big 2021 season, beating Michigan, winning the conference, will spell better recruiting moving forward.
A runner up, 9-3 type season may or may not be cause for concern.
Anything less than that and fire Jimmy.
Fucking idiot. Hth.
Recruiting is vital, but I’ve never given a shit about three seasons from now. I expect to be good this season and that’s all I really care about, or at least what I care about most.
Losing Ebuka and JTT is bad. We need to get the elite guys that are right there. I don’t really give a shit about the rest of the guys.
Recruiting matters. Just not as much as good coaching. Our best season in 30 years was with a bunch of fringe top 25 type classes.
The results worsened as the recruiting inched closer to the top 10.
Its better to have higher ranked recruits than the alternative. But you can win, especially in the Pac 12, with borderline top 25 talent.
Even against Bama, I will die believing scheme was the biggest issues
This is true on the Pac level but not on a national level, but even by this standard you should be concerned. Jimmy isn't recruiting at that level. The only thing that kept his 2021 class in that range was having Sam who didn't commit to Jimmy. Jimmy has taken 23 commitments from kids who signed here or haven't decommitted yet. Only 5 of those are 4 star kids. None are five stars. 21% four stars isn't going to get the job done consistently and sustainably.
That would be concerning anytime.
It's especially an issue given the high level of in state talent of the classes in question.
UW didnt have the same talent Penn State or Ohio State did.
But the talent didnt lose them those games. The team starting sluggish, due mostly to the offensive scheme, was the problem
When UW finally woke up and the playcalling got dialed in, combined with desperation, made the final scores within one possession
Talent matters, but you dont have to out talent those teams to win. We were recruiting at the fabled 40% blue chip rate and went fucking 8-5, right @RaceBannon
If Jimmy wins he will be legitimized and the recruiting will greatly improve. Not worried about it.
If he loses, he gets fired and this is moot.
We didn't lose because of talent, because our 2016-18 teams were extremely talented. Recruiting rankings are not the same as talent. But in order to reliably be as talented as those teams you have to recruit better.
The amount of good players we got from the early Pete classes was a miracle, it's not something that's easy to replicate. 3*s aren't magically coached up better than 4*s. Just because we built a great team in 2016 with 3*s does not mean it's likely to happen again! I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
Christ.
My point is that coaching is much more important than whether starters are 3 stars or 4 stars.
3 stars get coached up all the time to be better than the 4 stars they are competing with, either on their own team for a roster spot or on the other team on Fall Saturdays
I dont know why this is so hard to understand
You can do more with more PGOS, come on.
Washington did that. Once
And we? are still paying for it 30 years later
Its a culture and the culture is the greatest setting and some winning but not too much and leave the cash at home when recruiting
That lesson was ignored 20 years ago and we are still paying for that too
I don't accept that the mildly competent soft fucking loser Petersen is the best we could hope for here. Nick Urban Day Switzer is the best we could hope for
Why we don't is where your angst should be directed
Some of the most vocal here -- Hi @PostGameOrangeSlices -- are happy with a 9-3 Alamo winner.
You guys are the definition of delusional old timer message board fans. Which is great, it's funny, but its the truth. Im a fan of the truth and tend to live in reality here in my advanced age of nearly 30.
This fucking program has done nothing except for a flash in the pan Rose Bowl trophy in 30 years, and a playoff participant trophy.
Pac 12 titles are pretty meh with how the conference has performed...but lets stretch reality a bit and say that UW has 4 conference titles in 30 years.
That is the program youre a fan of. This isnt Alabama or Ohio State. This is a B tier program that will probably remain a B tier program. Hell, it nosedived to a D tier program for 10 years!
So yeah, a second year head coach gets to stick around after a 9-3 season. I wouldn't celebrate it, but Id be willing to give him year 3 to win the conference or LEAVE
Learn the fucking difference
UW record since Natty:
Bama since 1992:
Ohio State since 1992:
USC since 1992:
Oregon since 1992:
Nice try but UW has to play nine conference games every year
I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to demonstrate here. Despite Covid opt outs, condensed conference only scheduling, contact tracing, etc the composite one again showed the correlation.
Unless the intention is to mislead and bamboozle why does the list start at 5 but skip 8 and 9? Is it because 2, 3, 4, and 8 made the playoffs while 1 and 9 won the Peach and Cotton Bowls? I think 7th Florida can be excused for making the Cotton Bowl and their losses to 2, 6, 9, and 11.
In summary: With the exception of #5 Texas and #6 LSU all the teams 1-12 either went to the playoff, NY6 Bowl, or the conference championship game. All the five big conference champions came from the top-12. #5 Texas fired their coach for underachieving. #6 LSU had opt outs from their top players, satiated after winning the national championship the year prior. #14 and #15 also fired their coaches.
Coaches of teams in the top-15 had this option: * Get to playoffs, conference championship game, or an NY6 bowl. Ten achieved this. * Be the defending national champion. One achieved this. * Get fired. Three achieved this. * Be James Franklin. One achieved this.
How about a non Covid season, like 2019? Here are the final AP poll rankings and their team talent rank. 1. LSU: 5 2. Clemson: 9 3. Ohio State: 2 4. Georgia: 3 5. Oregon: 17 6. Florida: 15 7. Oklahoma: 9 8. Alabama: 1 9. Penn State: 11 10. Minnesota: 42
Only two out of the top ten weren’t top-15 in talent. One was 17th and had a QB who would break the rookie passing records. The other was an impressive 42nd, but they also had one win against a conference opponent with a winning record. PJ Fleck has his Row the Boat schtick, and he’s shown he’s capable of getting into the top ten with Jimmy Lake type recruits. He’d be a good fit.
Did I bamboozle you by putting the numbers beside the team to make it clear?
I was just pointing out elite recruiting is far from a guarantee for wins. Most of the top 25 at the end of the year were teams not anywhere near the top in team (high-school) talent. I know that (HS) talent matters but these facts are irrefutable.
I would agree that to be the in the top 10 you need to be in the top 25 in talent though. Something like that.
Just decomitted from Oregon. Says his recruitment is open to all schools. I know we are full but we need to get back in good terms with this guy.
Id rather tuck my dick and balls between my legs and skoot forward with my hands on a broken glass freeway then sign a kid who went on 24/7 and said “I can do better than UW”.
Just decomitted from Oregon. Says his recruitment is open to all schools. I know we are full but we need to get back in good terms with this guy.
Id rather tuck my dick and balls between my legs and skoot forward with my hands on a broken glass freeway then sign a kid who went on 24/7 and said “I can do better than UW”.
I'd love to go scorched earth but if the coaches think he can play then we need to chalk this up to kids day stupid things. Such is the degrading nature of recruiting.
Just decomitted from Oregon. Says his recruitment is open to all schools. I know we are full but we need to get back in good terms with this guy.
Id rather tuck my dick and balls between my legs and skoot forward with my hands on a broken glass freeway then sign a kid who went on 24/7 and said “I can do better than UW”.
I'd love to go scorched earth but if the coaches think he can play then we need to chalk this up to kids day stupid things. Such is the degrading nature of recruiting.
If he is good I want him. If he sucks I don’t. Reuben foster went to bama and played with an auburn logo tattoo.
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Who the fuck is purp?
1b. Kind of obvious but Wisconsin, USC, Texas, etc do their best to drive the percentage down.
2. 2016 Washington was ranked 24th in the composite, out of their 14 games these were the teams ranked higher:
Oregon 21, Stanford 17, USC 2, Alabama 1.
Chalk says 10-4 but they went +2 for 12-2, losing to the two teams 10+ spots higher.
Breakdown
2016 Stanford: 1 5-star, 27 4-stars
2016 Oregon: 1 5-star, 23 4-stars
2016 Washington: 21 4-stars
2000-2021 Boise State:
Note: Oregon played 17 blue chips and UW 16 in their 70-21 thrashing by my count. 8/22 Oregon starters were freshmen or redshirt freshmen. Of those 17 blue chips: 10 were WRs, RBs, or TEs. UW had double the blue chips on DL and OL.
3. Recruiting rankings have become a lot more accurate since 247 joined the business and began producing the composite. Why? Hudl, Twitter, more scouting employees, 7 on 7, camps, whatever - most likely better communication and more resources.
4. Connected to the above, team recruiting is becoming more predictive of success. Besides 2014 Oregon name the lowest recruiting team to win a playoff game out of the 21 that have been played...
5. If your initial thought is that number four isn’t relevant or something you need to concern yourself with... you’re right, you’re a Pac-12 fan and I have to remind myself I am as well. But false hope/delusion, along with corruption, tradition, and illiteracy are the cornerstones of college football.
Texas 5th 7-3
LSU 6th 5-5
Florida 7th 8-4
USC 10th 5-1
Oregon 12th 4-3
Penn St 13th 4-5
Auburn 14th 6-5
Tennessee 15th 3-7
Florida St 16th 3-6
Michigan 17th 2-4
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UW 19th 3-1
Imagine being a fan of Texas or Tennessee
Unless the intention is to mislead and bamboozle why does the list start at 5 but skip 8 and 9? Is it because 2, 3, 4, and 8 made the playoffs while 1 and 9 won the Peach and Cotton Bowls? I think 7th Florida can be excused for making the Cotton Bowl and their losses to 2, 6, 9, and 11.
In summary: With the exception of #5 Texas and #6 LSU all the teams 1-12 either went to the playoff, NY6 Bowl, or the conference championship game. All the five big conference champions came from the top-12.
#5 Texas fired their coach for underachieving.
#6 LSU had opt outs from their top players, satiated after winning the national championship the year prior.
#14 and #15 also fired their coaches.
Coaches of teams in the top-15 had this option:
* Get to playoffs, conference championship game, or an NY6 bowl. Ten achieved this.
* Be the defending national champion. One achieved this.
* Get fired. Three achieved this.
* Be James Franklin. One achieved this.
How about a non Covid season, like 2019? Here are the final AP poll rankings and their team talent rank.
1. LSU: 5
2. Clemson: 9
3. Ohio State: 2
4. Georgia: 3
5. Oregon: 17
6. Florida: 15
7. Oklahoma: 9
8. Alabama: 1
9. Penn State: 11
10. Minnesota: 42
Only two out of the top ten weren’t top-15 in talent. One was 17th and had a QB who would break the rookie passing records. The other was an impressive 42nd, but they also had one win against a conference opponent with a winning record. PJ Fleck has his Row the Boat schtick, and he’s shown he’s capable of getting into the top ten with Jimmy Lake type recruits. He’d be a good fit.
I was just pointing out elite recruiting is far from a guarantee for wins. Most of the top 25 at the end of the year were teams not anywhere near the top in team (high-school) talent. I know that (HS) talent matters but these facts are irrefutable.
I would agree that to be the in the top 10 you need to be in the top 25 in talent though. Something like that.
WTF does "Straw Hat Vita Decommitment" mean?
Some of you can’t handle the ups and downs.