Gangster in the WH
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Why are you taking China's side in the Trade War? Traitor.BennyBeaver said:
Black belt? Neato.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm a black belt and have run programs in India and China. Sure, it's a bitch to change over but how do you think those suppliers ended up in China in the first place? They weren't there 20-30 years ago.BennyBeaver said:
NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.RaceBannon said:
From China? laughing Bolton gifBennyBeaver said:
Thank you Captain Obvious.TurdBomber said:
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made
But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
Sure, it's a bitch to change over...that's what I've said multiple tims...
Some in this thread (you know who) have a very, very simplistic view of what it is required to be a world-class manufacturing leader. Equate it to a simple import of trinkets. No fucking clue.
FM for explaining how these tariffs will effect them.
CHINA BAD. ME NO LIKE CHEAP SHIT FROM CHINA.
All the while they have been benefiting from goods produced there. -
So how do your Wrangler's get from that American factory to you house?TurdBomber said:
I already pay for American Blue Jeans, punk. They're worth every penny and not subject to tariffs, so I'm fine.BennyBeaver said:
Thank you Captain Obvious.TurdBomber said:
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet. -
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.CirrhosisDawg said:
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In summation:CirrhosisDawg said:
Jfc. @UW_Doog_Bot clean up on aisle 1.Doogles said:Bleeding heart progressives should be demanding a quarantine of all Nations that utilize child slave labor in the global economy.
I spend 200 bucks on sneakers that cost 5 bucks to make. Surely there is some wiggle room here.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature. -
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.TurdBomber said:
Why are you taking China's side in the Trade War? Traitor.BennyBeaver said:
Black belt? Neato.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm a black belt and have run programs in India and China. Sure, it's a bitch to change over but how do you think those suppliers ended up in China in the first place? They weren't there 20-30 years ago.BennyBeaver said:
NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.RaceBannon said:
From China? laughing Bolton gifBennyBeaver said:
Thank you Captain Obvious.TurdBomber said:
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made
But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
Sure, it's a bitch to change over...that's what I've said multiple tims...
Some in this thread (you know who) have a very, very simplistic view of what it is required to be a world-class manufacturing leader. Equate it to a simple import of trinkets. No fucking clue.
FM for explaining how these tariffs will effect them.
CHINA BAD. ME NO LIKE CHEAP SHIT FROM CHINA.
All the while they have been benefiting from goods produced there. -
None. I think cultural differences make sitting down at the table with China unrealistic. They'll nod their heads in agreement on some things, obstinately refuse to discuss others, and in the end, the facts will show they were never going to give an inch.SFGbob said:
If this were just about an unfair trade deal I'd be more sympathetic the anti-tariff side but at this point what other sticks do we have to deal with China's rampant theft?creepycoug said:
Stipulated. Tarriffs suck. They are inefficient. They are an externality to what would otherwise be an efficient trade transaction.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
But national trade policy, theirs and ours, is its own inefficiency, but it's as real as the nose on your face.
Listen, you are preaching to the choir here. But when the deal isn't fair and you have to eat more shit than the other guy, it's not a horrible thing to throw a punch.
Long-term, no question; protectionist policy will cause us to rot from the inside out. Short-term? -
IronicBennyBeaver said:
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.RaceBannon said:Benny is a super serious poster guys. No one liners please
He's making really great points here
Guys leave benny alone. He's a top salesman -
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.RaceBannon said:
IronicBennyBeaver said:
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.RaceBannon said:Benny is a super serious poster guys. No one liners please
He's making really great points here
Guys leave benny alone. He's a top salesman -
Most Wrangler's are Messican-made, genius. Try again. Or don't. It could take you weeks to figure out.BennyBeaver said:
So how do your Wrangler's get from that American factory to you house?TurdBomber said:
I already pay for American Blue Jeans, punk. They're worth every penny and not subject to tariffs, so I'm fine.BennyBeaver said:
Thank you Captain Obvious.TurdBomber said:
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet. -
Agree, I hope the trade war escalates and we see Chinese recession. Better now than even further down the debt bubble trail.creepycoug said:
None. I think cultural differences make sitting down at the table with China unrealistic. They'll nod their heads in agreement on some things, obstinately refuse to discuss others, and in the end, the facts will show they were never going to give an inch.SFGbob said:
If this were just about an unfair trade deal I'd be more sympathetic the anti-tariff side but at this point what other sticks do we have to deal with China's rampant theft?creepycoug said:
Stipulated. Tarriffs suck. They are inefficient. They are an externality to what would otherwise be an efficient trade transaction.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
But national trade policy, theirs and ours, is its own inefficiency, but it's as real as the nose on your face.
Listen, you are preaching to the choir here. But when the deal isn't fair and you have to eat more shit than the other guy, it's not a horrible thing to throw a punch.
Long-term, no question; protectionist policy will cause us to rot from the inside out. Short-term? -
I"m just happy someone else is using "Jimminy Christmas".YellowSnow said:Jimminy Christmas - what have I done?! 76 replies and all I wanted to do was post a severed horse head gif for @creepycoug
You're welcome.
