Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
Don't overthink it - he's a narcissistic dumbfuck. He's basically Trump of HH.
Too much “but he’s a bigger BBK” talk. I hated BBK for a long time. We need to address the @LaMichael_Corleone question directly on EVERY recruit: Will this kid level up the program so we can beat the elite? This God fearing kid ain’t McMillan or Murao. We need to ditch Gregory and replace him with someone who can do better (and make K better).
What's Gregory's contract status? Someone mentioned on Twitter replacing him with Gerald Alexander. Talk about a boner. Can he coach special teams?
God I hope he and Paopap and Boner get canned sooner than later.
Way to toe that party line. Don't think you strayed an inch.
Tiring, isn’t it? Slow strategy white kid from Texas with less than 4 stars next to his name. Therefore we hate him.
The doogs are out to play. Grade on process. Not on “stars”. We had two guys higher than him who had been on campus with a teammate coming here. They committed to Midwest schools without giving UDUB an official visit. This kid isn’t as good as those kids and those kids weren’t as hard to land as Elias Ricks, Kelee Ringo, etc.
“Did you fuck the two hot chicks you were talking with at the club?”
“No but wait till you see the third option that I met a few weeks later. She’s not as hot but her personality is so chill” - Losers.
Let’s call a spade a spade here. We followed the process. We targeted botehlo and herbig. We whiffed and that should be harshly evaluated and criticized. The process dictated pursuit of the next guys on the board. McDonald fell in that slot. We targeted him, crooted him, got him. That’s the process, that’s what we’ve always done under Pete.
If you think the kid isn’t good and not worthy of an offer, fine. Just say that and time will tell. Otherwise, let’s not create straw man arguments about process and timing when, in fact, the process was followed to a T, albeit without the top end results we wanted.
Process isn’t just about missing the players in front. Cooper was targeted at ILB by Gregory and Gregory even took him and his family on a one on one campus tour. Once we lost Herbig, Coach K took over his recruitment, much like Bush took over WR recruiting while Lubick was fucking up last year. Then there is the lack of unofficial visits from ILBs in Cali and being late to offer Julien Simon in the midst of Gregory’s struggles connecting with players. Should we even mention Flowe who’s best friends with Cam Davis?
Grading recruiting process isn’t about grading the player because we’re at a level now where every player that comes here is going to be decent. This is about grading and evaluating coaches.
Seems like this is a bit of a moving target, but we’ve agreed:
1. McDonald is, in DDY parlance, “fine.” 2. Gregory leaves a lot to be desired.
Ballz has now infected this thread so on to the next.
Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
You obviously know what the fuck I meant. If we are discussing UW's pass rush, sacks from blitzing linebackers and DB's shouldn't be in the fucking discussion. That skews the data and it's a sign that you aren't good enough with your front 4 if you have to supplement the pass rush with other guys who should be in coverage. The pass rush has been a weak link for this team since Kikaha left. You're trying to say it wasn't so bad and it's bullshit. It's been bad for years now.
A pass rush doesn’t matter what position you get it through you dumbass.
Eat a lot of paint chips as a kid? Live near the power lines? Huff gas? Abundance?
Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
You obviously know what the fuck I meant. If we are discussing UW's pass rush, sacks from blitzing linebackers and DB's shouldn't be in the fucking discussion. That skews the data and it's a sign that you aren't good enough with your front 4 if you have to supplement the pass rush with other guys who should be in coverage. The pass rush has been a weak link for this team since Kikaha left. You're trying to say it wasn't so bad and it's bullshit. It's been bad for years now.
This is too stupid to engage with, but I can't help myself.
Blitzing DBs and inside linebackers to cover for deficient pass rushers on the edge and still generating an effective pass rush is called great scheming. HTFH.
And shut the fuck up about "skewing data". You don't even have the data in the first place that says our ends and OLBs generate less sacks than half of the conference. But that's not the fucking point, so don't bother coming up with a half baked rebuttal to that.
Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
You obviously know what the fuck I meant. If we are discussing UW's pass rush, sacks from blitzing linebackers and DB's shouldn't be in the fucking discussion. That skews the data and it's a sign that you aren't good enough with your front 4 if you have to supplement the pass rush with other guys who should be in coverage. The pass rush has been a weak link for this team since Kikaha left. You're trying to say it wasn't so bad and it's bullshit. It's been bad for years now.
This is too stupid to engage with, but I can't help myself.
Blitzing DBs and inside linebackers to cover for deficient pass rushers on the edge and still generating an effective pass rush is called great scheming. HTFH.
And shut the fuck up about "skewing data". You don't even have the data in the first place that says our ends and OLBs generate less sacks than half of the conference. But that's not the fucking point, so don't bother coming up with a half baked rebuttal to that.
It's not great scheming you dumb ass. Blitzing weakens your coverage ability. Every DC would rather just get pressure and sacks with four guys upfront and not have to blitz.
Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
You obviously know what the fuck I meant. If we are discussing UW's pass rush, sacks from blitzing linebackers and DB's shouldn't be in the fucking discussion. That skews the data and it's a sign that you aren't good enough with your front 4 if you have to supplement the pass rush with other guys who should be in coverage. The pass rush has been a weak link for this team since Kikaha left. You're trying to say it wasn't so bad and it's bullshit. It's been bad for years now.
A pass rush doesn’t matter what position you get it through you dumbass.
Eat a lot of paint chips as a kid? Live near the power lines? Huff gas? Abundance?
It does matter. Less guys in coverage to help out the pass rush is not what you want in order to generate a decent pass rush. Maybe go watch the Penn State and Ohio State games again. We haven't had a good pass rush.
Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
You obviously know what the fuck I meant. If we are discussing UW's pass rush, sacks from blitzing linebackers and DB's shouldn't be in the fucking discussion. That skews the data and it's a sign that you aren't good enough with your front 4 if you have to supplement the pass rush with other guys who should be in coverage. The pass rush has been a weak link for this team since Kikaha left. You're trying to say it wasn't so bad and it's bullshit. It's been bad for years now.
A pass rush doesn’t matter what position you get it through you dumbass.
Eat a lot of paint chips as a kid? Live near the power lines? Huff gas? Abundance?
Ballz always struck me as a whippits kind of kid. That shit will kill your brain cells at breakneck speed.
Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
You obviously know what the fuck I meant. If we are discussing UW's pass rush, sacks from blitzing linebackers and DB's shouldn't be in the fucking discussion. That skews the data and it's a sign that you aren't good enough with your front 4 if you have to supplement the pass rush with other guys who should be in coverage. The pass rush has been a weak link for this team since Kikaha left. You're trying to say it wasn't so bad and it's bullshit. It's been bad for years now.
A pass rush doesn’t matter what position you get it through you dumbass.
Eat a lot of paint chips as a kid? Live near the power lines? Huff gas? Abundance?
Ballz always struck me as a whippits kind of kid. That shit will kill your brain cells at breakneck speed.
Kwat is an evil genius coordinator who is fucking drowning in recruiting. Drowning. And for whatever reason, Pete seems content to just watch him gurgle. Super frustrating, considering we couldn't get off the field on third down in the Fiesta Bowl, then had to watch Haskins throw all over us in the Rose Bowl. We need a fucking pass rush.
Gregory and Kwat have been atrocious in recruiting this year... it will continue to hold us back until Pete decides to do something about it.
Lake called plays in the Fiesta Bowl and called them all last year... This doesn't make sense.
Also, the sack rate was good until last season. 1 bad (and it was bad) season in 5.
It's been bad since Kikaha left.
This isn't great math but it'll do the trick.
2014: UW averaged 10.21 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 1068 plays. 1068/14 = 76.28 avg. plays per game. 10.21/76.28 = 13.3% of plays are sack or TFL 2015: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 933 plays. 933/13 = 71.76 plays per game. 9.62/71.76 = 13.4% of plays are sack or TFL 2016: UW averaged 9.36 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 963 plays. 963/14 = 68.78 plays per game. 9.36/68.78 = 13.6% of plays are sack or TFL 2017: UW averaged 9.62 sacks + TFL per game... Defense faced 876 plays. 876/13 = 67.38 plays per game. 9.62/67.38 = 14.2% of plays are sack or TFL
2018 was so bad it doesn't matter.
UW has been in the bottom half of the conference in sacks since Kikaha left.
5th in 2015, 2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2017.
Do you ever know what the fuck you're talking about?
Those are false stats. Don't know where you're getting them from. Maybe if you include sacks by inside linebackers and DB's. As far as sacks from D-lineman, UW has been in the bottom half of the conference for years.
Lol get the fuck right out of here with that shit. Sacks by DBs and inside linebackers all of a sudden don't count because you say so. Got it.
Jesus Christ you have a complete inability to ever admit you're wrong. Shit, I'd respect you more if you just slinked away and never acknowledged the fact that you were wrong. But nah, it's always your instinct to move the goal posts and twist whatever dumb shit you initially said to try to save face and somehow prove yourself right. Which you almost never are.
You obviously know what the fuck I meant. If we are discussing UW's pass rush, sacks from blitzing linebackers and DB's shouldn't be in the fucking discussion. That skews the data and it's a sign that you aren't good enough with your front 4 if you have to supplement the pass rush with other guys who should be in coverage. The pass rush has been a weak link for this team since Kikaha left. You're trying to say it wasn't so bad and it's bullshit. It's been bad for years now.
This is too stupid to engage with, but I can't help myself.
Blitzing DBs and inside linebackers to cover for deficient pass rushers on the edge and still generating an effective pass rush is called great scheming. HTFH.
And shut the fuck up about "skewing data". You don't even have the data in the first place that says our ends and OLBs generate less sacks than half of the conference. But that's not the fucking point, so don't bother coming up with a half baked rebuttal to that.
I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good
@NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.
No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good
@NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.
No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
Ohh I understand that the coach is not doing their part.
But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good
@NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.
No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
Ohh I understand that the coach is not doing their part.
But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
No I got you. I just wanted to show examples of how people can read what you posted and then make the jump to equate: if a player is good = the job of recruiting by the coach
I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good
@NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.
No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
Ohh I understand that the coach is not doing their part.
But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
No I got you. I just wanted to show examples of how people can read what you posted and then make the jump to equate: if a player is good = the job of recruiting by the coach
I agree to an extent. But if you’re saying we can’t evaluate the quality of a coach’s recruiting work relative to how that player turns out, I think that’s wrong. A big (maybe the biggest) part of recruiting is projecting how a guy will develop after 2-3 years in the program. That’s where we’ve separated ourselves from most programs.
The counter to this is the thought that nearly everyone will develop to their potential in our program so we need to go after the highest ceiling guys bc our program is sure to get them to that ceiling. While it’s certainly true that our program can be gas on the fire for the most talented guys, the buy in we expect is extraordinary. There are guys who lack the make up to handle it and flame out. If a coach fails to project in that regard and we waste a scholly, that’s as bad or worse than missing on targets or process failures.
TLDR: How a player turns out is relevant to evaluation of the recruiting job.
I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good
@NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.
No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
Ohh I understand that the coach is not doing their part.
But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
No I got you. I just wanted to show examples of how people can read what you posted and then make the jump to equate: if a player is good = the job of recruiting by the coach
I agree to an extent. But if you’re saying we can’t evaluate the quality of a coach’s recruiting work relative to how that player turns out, I think that’s wrong. A big (maybe the biggest) part of recruiting is projecting how a guy will develop after 2-3 years in the program. That’s where we’ve separated ourselves from most programs.
The counter to this is the thought that nearly everyone will develop to their potential in our program so we need to go after the highest ceiling guys bc our program is sure to get them to that ceiling. While it’s certainly true that our program can be gas on the fire for the most talented guys, the buy in we expect is extraordinary. There are guys who lack the make up to handle it and flame out. If a coach fails to project in that regard and we waste a scholly, that’s as bad or worse than missing on targets or process failures.
TLDR: How a player turns out is relevant to evaluation of the recruiting job.
It’s really not that relevant tho. That’s moving the goalposts. If Skinny turns out to be a stud for us for two years even, does that mean we did a good job recruiting him? Of course not. Just because BBK has a good year doesn’t mean you did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2015.
Nick Harris is a good player who didn’t have ANY other D1 offers. Good job on evaluating, horrible job selling your program to the other guys the coaches themselves had ranked higher. Just because Nick Harris is good doesn’t mean we must retroactively go back and say Strausser did a better job recruiting than we thought.
Talent evaluation =\= ability to recruit.
Huff deserves eval credit for Gaard but everyone and their mother have offered Murao, Hatchett, Rosengarten. Huff sold those guys and didn’t need to be a great evaluator of hidden talent in order to close the best class possible.
Jimmy Lake offering Esteen early is a great example of evaluating. Jimmy Lake offering and whiffing on every other guy out west until he offered Jacobe way later than the rest of his top schools an example of poor recruiting sales/management.
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Seems like this is a bit of a moving target, but we’ve agreed:
1. McDonald is, in DDY parlance, “fine.”
2. Gregory leaves a lot to be desired.
Ballz has now infected this thread so on to the next.
Eat a lot of paint chips as a kid? Live near the power lines? Huff gas? Abundance?
Blitzing DBs and inside linebackers to cover for deficient pass rushers on the edge and still generating an effective pass rush is called great scheming. HTFH.
And shut the fuck up about "skewing data". You don't even have the data in the first place that says our ends and OLBs generate less sacks than half of the conference. But that's not the fucking point, so don't bother coming up with a half baked rebuttal to that.
No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
The counter to this is the thought that nearly everyone will develop to their potential in our program so we need to go after the highest ceiling guys bc our program is sure to get them to that ceiling. While it’s certainly true that our program can be gas on the fire for the most talented guys, the buy in we expect is extraordinary. There are guys who lack the make up to handle it and flame out. If a coach fails to project in that regard and we waste a scholly, that’s as bad or worse than missing on targets or process failures.
TLDR: How a player turns out is relevant to evaluation of the recruiting job.
Nick Harris is a good player who didn’t have ANY other D1 offers. Good job on evaluating, horrible job selling your program to the other guys the coaches themselves had ranked higher. Just because Nick Harris is good doesn’t mean we must retroactively go back and say Strausser did a better job recruiting than we thought.
Talent evaluation =\= ability to recruit.
Huff deserves eval credit for Gaard but everyone and their mother have offered Murao, Hatchett, Rosengarten. Huff sold those guys and didn’t need to be a great evaluator of hidden talent in order to close the best class possible.
Jimmy Lake offering Esteen early is a great example of evaluating. Jimmy Lake offering and whiffing on every other guy out west until he offered Jacobe way later than the rest of his top schools an example of poor recruiting sales/management.
81 Rose Bowl Michigan whipped us physically
84 Orange Bowl we belonged with Oklahoma but our recruiting was flawed leading to 5 years in the desert.
James could develop and coach but realized he needed better players
By 91 we could whip anyone. The fumes lasted until 94 with wins over the Buckeyes and Canes.
Then we started losing big games again because we didn't develop and recruiting slid
By Gilby we had nothing
Everything does matter because nothing lasts forever
Petersen is close but you can't be satisfied. Ever.
Talent, coaching, facilities, and support.