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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,743
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    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    I am glad they are hitting the "draft" branding hard. Said this in the other thread but it amazes me with how detailed and on top of things everything about this program is, that our recruiting has taken 5 years to finally try to get messaging right and on point. Feels like Pete just doesn't like recruiting, so that is the one ad hoc thing about this program.

    But new branding centered on B4L and Come to UW to Get Drafted seems like a strategy that will work.

    #scoducks#wareagle

    I have always hated OKG. OKG is a Boise thing. It's 'we don't get our pick of the litter, so we have to do EXTREME vetting'.

    Because at Boise, you had to really make sure you were homing in on guys who would be productive past their rating, etc.

    At UW - we are recruiting basically the same kids everyone else is. How hard is it really to scout Bijan Robinson or Sav'ell? Are they OKGs?!?!

    I mean - they have superlative talent. That's why we got our shit pushed in by tOSU, Penn State and Bama. We need guys like that. It doesn't take some insane OKG-meter to figure out who we need.

    B4L is Washington branding (I believe Pete came up with it when he came to UW) and it suits their current mission much better. Instead of having the undercurrent of 'THIS IS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER DO - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO TO OREGON' in our recruiting message, B4L is more 'we will take kids that can go anywhere, and do something with them nowhere else will do'.

    OKG is about Pete and Co. prizing slow strategy values and (even though they don't realize it) selecting for obedient, beta kids (yes sir, no sir!!).

    B4L is about 'hey, we can get kids like Kevin King (not that he was some extreme knucklehead or anything, but almost certainly a kid we would not recruit now) and make them into big time players and give them a real foundation in life'.

    I have ALWAYS felt the tragedy of the OKG recruiting approach was that the kids who desperately NEED B4L won't get it because you are selling it in such a way that it turns off everyone who could REALLY benefit from it. Then we end up preaching to the converted and getting a bunch of beta kids. Nothing wrong with them, but we need a MIX.

    As I said on Ep #49 - I NEED B4L!!! I DO!!!! My rich friends who grew up in Magnolia and went to O'Dea don't need it. It's fine for them... but I have ALWAYS felt that Pete's fire for college football will burn brighter and longer if he realizes he has an opportunity to change the lives of a bunch of fast strategy kids who will be used up and spit out by Oregon, USC and whomever else.

    I have always felt if Pete could really get in touch with that reality he would really prize his opportunity. And if he realized what a shit-show OKG is perception wise, and what a disaster their 'anti-hype/anti-fun' stance is, and how much it impedes his ability to CHANGE LIVES of kids who NEED it... he would drop it immediately.

    White people are really sensitive about this stuff, but it's not that complicated...

    For reasons that you will have to pay me to really get into (this is a LONG story)... fast strategy values are baked into black culture in America even if the people themselves are not fast strategy. This is the same in opposition about white people culture in America. In the south with all these meth head lunatics, I see white people talking about 'hard work' and all its virtues (even though Squirrel is not a particularly hard worker).

    I love all you white people. Shout out to white people. There is nothing wrong with white people and SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE!! I have always said, I don't want to eliminate white people from our program. I love Cade Otton and I love Josh Calvert.

    But it's more about a message that is not INTENDED to be exclusionary, but ends up being that way.

    That's why I really hope they take this rebrand seriously. I don't want to be Oregon. But just look at the team that won the Natty last year. They have fun, they are a bunch of JIVE ASSES... ...but if Pete honestly looks at the trajectory of Christian Wilkins' life and is able (PLEASE GOD) to realize that this OKG-branding, anti-fun/anti-hype approach will prevent UW from having stories like CW's, I know he would want to change it.

    I seriously hope they do.
    This is a great post and basically sums up how I feel about it. We aren't racist here. But the measures we seem to most value in recruits prize cultural elements of shitty white people more than other races (though Malloe has Poly family shit on lock). B4L is a much more inclusive (I hate that word but whatever) strategy that says we can get the most of anyone - white, black, poly, 50/50, whatever.

    Nobody actually thinks our staff is racist, but OKG coupled with some of our lame ass white coaches can be easily interpreted that way, unintentionally. B4L has more of a ride or die vibe with some OKG elements sprinkled in. This will work a shitload better than what we've been doing imho.

    Anyone have any meth? I'm out.
    , said every racist ever. This is quite possibly the most entertaining forum on the internet--this thread in particular is a gold mine of funny gifs about a painful and uncomfortable subject. That being said, "We aren't racists here" is just not factual. If there's one thing that led to me taking a long walk for perspective once and is on the brink of doing so again, it's that I often get the impression that half of you all are in this picture:



    There are plenty of racists on this board whether they know it or not. For a community that is desperate to see young black men playing on their football team, recruiting thread titles featuring "dark skinned," black people being referred to as "the blicks," and basement dwelling white boys going full Rachel Dolezal when it suits their narrative to transparently claim to be black are exactly the kinds of things that, were I a young black man with an NFL future, would lead me to say, "Fuck these guys; I'm playing down south where at least the racism is to my face."
    Speaking on behalf of the souwf, this is pretty fucking accurate.

    We work with img and help orchestrate the Willie t talk show. We sell sponsorships in it. The shit we hear people talking about, the reasons they give us for not signing up for sponsorships, wow. Souwf whites (not all) are the worst whites but a lot on here that don’t realize your are in fact racist by your comments. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    In my experiences, 1 to 4 million has it dialed in.
    I always say - if you know what a chair is, you're going to be *racist. This is a fundamental principle of the brain. You group things into categories and you associate certain attributes with those categories. Because of that we are all more likely to think Asians are smart (despite @RoadDawg55 reminding us every day they aren't), Jews are cheap, people from LA are shallow... etc.

    If you get taught or exposed to more racist shit when you are a kid, you will have more of that in your brain. This is why I don't think it's right to call what goes on here 'racism' so much as it's just free association (though I do find it relatively funny to rile people up about it - however, it's not that fun because people are so sensitive they literally start calling ME?!?!?! the PC-police... lol).

    However, one nice thing is that the creator has endowed us with an ability to have automatic associations, but also to not let them control us. We are allowed a second wave of cognition that's like 'should I really ram this car in front of me that's driving too slow, even though I feel like it?' - and we can control our initial impulses and recognize them as such.

    In sum, it is up to you to stop being a racist fuckbag while recognizing that there's always a part of all of us that are racist fuckbags. But it doesn't matter. Get over it. If you want to learn more about actual racism and how it works, feel free to pm me but until then: FUCK YOU WHITEY.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM







    *not racist in the 'I hate your race' sense, tho.
    If I hate all people from Kent and Auburn does that make me raysiss ?
    No. It makes you astute and observant.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,743
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    B4L LOL.

    Majority of the guys who don't make lifetime $ in the league will sell real estate, cosch or run camps.

    Molder of men. Pfft. I bought that shit hook line and sinker wiTh willingham. That @RaceBannon , who remembers, doesn't rub it in my face is act of maturity and restraint.

    The biggest joke in sports is this never-ending urge to make it about more than sports. Jimminy. Fuck life lessons. That's what parents and real mentors are for.

    My kids have never had a coach I ever wanted to role model anything for them. I would actually tell them: unless you want to be a fucking youth soccer coach at Crossfire and make $40 k a year in a town that impoverishes people making 100, whenever [name] starts talking about anything other than soccer tune her the fuck out. She knows soccer; but she's a moron for everything else.

    Texas All American stud D 1 player and now coaching teenage girls. Sports is a brutal way to make a buck. It's like acting. 99.8% starve while .02% live large. Not a cohort from which you want to draw wisdom. Most coaches are stupid.

    You’re always so hurtful @creepycoug when it comes to economis. Fortunately I’m even better looking than Puppy and my wife said fuck hoops and yes to consulting.
    The further away you get from football, the better when it comes to later life outcomes.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    jecornel said:

    Our coaching staff has retooled their whole recruiting strategy and called for a hard re-brand on OKG (you can see the comically obvious/reactionary rebrand play out on twitter). They are now going to try to emphasize B4L over OKG, but desperately want to show the world that OKG isn't racist and that people have fun at UW.

    Pete is going hard after Smalls personally and it's not over.

    Pete is apparently pissed that Taggart and Cristobal would stoop to this! ("How dare my enemies exploit my weaknesses in a billion dollar industry!?!?")

    Unfortunately for 40% of white people here, we are going to continue to recruit black players even if they are JIVE ASSES and may now even try to emphasize it a bit.

    Just what I'm hearing don't twist.

    Has anyone sent this link to Jen Cohen?

    All Husky fans should approve this message.

    Take the gloves off Pete. The NT is in your grasps.
    I'm all 100% behind taking the gloves off ...

    I've been pissed about all of this all week and it's largely driven by the fact that so much of this is BS
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    B4L LOL.

    Majority of the guys who don't make lifetime $ in the league will sell real estate, cosch or run camps.

    Molder of men. Pfft. I bought that shit hook line and sinker wiTh willingham. That @RaceBannon , who remembers, doesn't rub it in my face is act of maturity and restraint.

    The biggest joke in sports is this never-ending urge to make it about more than sports. Jimminy. Fuck life lessons. That's what parents and real mentors are for.

    My kids have never had a coach I ever wanted to role model anything for them. I would actually tell them: unless you want to be a fucking youth soccer coach at Crossfire and make $40 k a year in a town that impoverishes people making 100, whenever [name] starts talking about anything other than soccer tune her the fuck out. She knows soccer; but she's a moron for everything else.

    Texas All American stud D 1 player and now coaching teenage girls. Sports is a brutal way to make a buck. It's like acting. 99.8% starve while .02% live large. Not a cohort from which you want to draw wisdom. Most coaches are stupid.

    You’re always so hurtful @creepycoug when it comes to economis. Fortunately I’m even better looking than Puppy and my wife said fuck hoops and yes to consulting.
    Always good to have a sugar mama
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,522
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    Idk maybe spending your time spreading rumors of Pete being a Grand Wizard on twitter isn’t such a great idea.

    Also, imagine caring about this.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,743
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    PurpleJ said:

    Idk maybe spending your time spreading rumors of Pete being a Grand Wizard on twitter isn’t such a great idea.

    Also, imagine caring about this.

    Such fag, J

    Welcome back.
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    MeekMeek Member Posts: 7,031
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    Tequilla said:

    jecornel said:

    Our coaching staff has retooled their whole recruiting strategy and called for a hard re-brand on OKG (you can see the comically obvious/reactionary rebrand play out on twitter). They are now going to try to emphasize B4L over OKG, but desperately want to show the world that OKG isn't racist and that people have fun at UW.

    Pete is going hard after Smalls personally and it's not over.

    Pete is apparently pissed that Taggart and Cristobal would stoop to this! ("How dare my enemies exploit my weaknesses in a billion dollar industry!?!?")

    Unfortunately for 40% of white people here, we are going to continue to recruit black players even if they are JIVE ASSES and may now even try to emphasize it a bit.

    Just what I'm hearing don't twist.

    Has anyone sent this link to Jen Cohen?

    All Husky fans should approve this message.

    Take the gloves off Pete. The NT is in your grasps.
    I'm all 100% behind taking the gloves off ...

    I've been pissed about all of this all week and it's largely driven by the fact that so much of this is BS
    new bored motto?
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,922
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    Swaye said:

    I am glad they are hitting the "draft" branding hard. Said this in the other thread but it amazes me with how detailed and on top of things everything about this program is, that our recruiting has taken 5 years to finally try to get messaging right and on point. Feels like Pete just doesn't like recruiting, so that is the one ad hoc thing about this program.

    But new branding centered on B4L and Come to UW to Get Drafted seems like a strategy that will work.

    #scoducks#wareagle

    I have always hated OKG. OKG is a Boise thing. It's 'we don't get our pick of the litter, so we have to do EXTREME vetting'.

    Because at Boise, you had to really make sure you were homing in on guys who would be productive past their rating, etc.

    At UW - we are recruiting basically the same kids everyone else is. How hard is it really to scout Bijan Robinson or Sav'ell? Are they OKGs?!?!

    I mean - they have superlative talent. That's why we got our shit pushed in by tOSU, Penn State and Bama. We need guys like that. It doesn't take some insane OKG-meter to figure out who we need.

    B4L is Washington branding (I believe Pete came up with it when he came to UW) and it suits their current mission much better. Instead of having the undercurrent of 'THIS IS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER DO - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO TO OREGON' in our recruiting message, B4L is more 'we will take kids that can go anywhere, and do something with them nowhere else will do'.

    OKG is about Pete and Co. prizing slow strategy values and (even though they don't realize it) selecting for obedient, beta kids (yes sir, no sir!!).

    B4L is about 'hey, we can get kids like Kevin King (not that he was some extreme knucklehead or anything, but almost certainly a kid we would not recruit now) and make them into big time players and give them a real foundation in life'.

    I have ALWAYS felt the tragedy of the OKG recruiting approach was that the kids who desperately NEED B4L won't get it because you are selling it in such a way that it turns off everyone who could REALLY benefit from it. Then we end up preaching to the converted and getting a bunch of beta kids. Nothing wrong with them, but we need a MIX.

    As I said on Ep #49 - I NEED B4L!!! I DO!!!! My rich friends who grew up in Magnolia and went to O'Dea don't need it. It's fine for them... but I have ALWAYS felt that Pete's fire for college football will burn brighter and longer if he realizes he has an opportunity to change the lives of a bunch of fast strategy kids who will be used up and spit out by Oregon, USC and whomever else.

    I have always felt if Pete could really get in touch with that reality he would really prize his opportunity. And if he realized what a shit-show OKG is perception wise, and what a disaster their 'anti-hype/anti-fun' stance is, and how much it impedes his ability to CHANGE LIVES of kids who NEED it... he would drop it immediately.

    White people are really sensitive about this stuff, but it's not that complicated...

    For reasons that you will have to pay me to really get into (this is a LONG story)... fast strategy values are baked into black culture in America even if the people themselves are not fast strategy. This is the same in opposition about white people culture in America. In the south with all these meth head lunatics, I see white people talking about 'hard work' and all its virtues (even though Squirrel is not a particularly hard worker).

    I love all you white people. Shout out to white people. There is nothing wrong with white people and SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE!! I have always said, I don't want to eliminate white people from our program. I love Cade Otton and I love Josh Calvert.

    But it's more about a message that is not INTENDED to be exclusionary, but ends up being that way.

    That's why I really hope they take this rebrand seriously. I don't want to be Oregon. But just look at the team that won the Natty last year. They have fun, they are a bunch of JIVE ASSES... ...but if Pete honestly looks at the trajectory of Christian Wilkins' life and is able (PLEASE GOD) to realize that this OKG-branding, anti-fun/anti-hype approach will prevent UW from having stories like CW's, I know he would want to change it.

    I seriously hope they do.
    I hate white people
    quit sucking up to Dennis

    Swaye said:

    I am glad they are hitting the "draft" branding hard. Said this in the other thread but it amazes me with how detailed and on top of things everything about this program is, that our recruiting has taken 5 years to finally try to get messaging right and on point. Feels like Pete just doesn't like recruiting, so that is the one ad hoc thing about this program.

    But new branding centered on B4L and Come to UW to Get Drafted seems like a strategy that will work.

    #scoducks#wareagle

    I have always hated OKG. OKG is a Boise thing. It's 'we don't get our pick of the litter, so we have to do EXTREME vetting'.

    Because at Boise, you had to really make sure you were homing in on guys who would be productive past their rating, etc.

    At UW - we are recruiting basically the same kids everyone else is. How hard is it really to scout Bijan Robinson or Sav'ell? Are they OKGs?!?!

    I mean - they have superlative talent. That's why we got our shit pushed in by tOSU, Penn State and Bama. We need guys like that. It doesn't take some insane OKG-meter to figure out who we need.

    B4L is Washington branding (I believe Pete came up with it when he came to UW) and it suits their current mission much better. Instead of having the undercurrent of 'THIS IS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER DO - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO TO OREGON' in our recruiting message, B4L is more 'we will take kids that can go anywhere, and do something with them nowhere else will do'.

    OKG is about Pete and Co. prizing slow strategy values and (even though they don't realize it) selecting for obedient, beta kids (yes sir, no sir!!).

    B4L is about 'hey, we can get kids like Kevin King (not that he was some extreme knucklehead or anything, but almost certainly a kid we would not recruit now) and make them into big time players and give them a real foundation in life'.

    I have ALWAYS felt the tragedy of the OKG recruiting approach was that the kids who desperately NEED B4L won't get it because you are selling it in such a way that it turns off everyone who could REALLY benefit from it. Then we end up preaching to the converted and getting a bunch of beta kids. Nothing wrong with them, but we need a MIX.

    As I said on Ep #49 - I NEED B4L!!! I DO!!!! My rich friends who grew up in Magnolia and went to O'Dea don't need it. It's fine for them... but I have ALWAYS felt that Pete's fire for college football will burn brighter and longer if he realizes he has an opportunity to change the lives of a bunch of fast strategy kids who will be used up and spit out by Oregon, USC and whomever else.

    I have always felt if Pete could really get in touch with that reality he would really prize his opportunity. And if he realized what a shit-show OKG is perception wise, and what a disaster their 'anti-hype/anti-fun' stance is, and how much it impedes his ability to CHANGE LIVES of kids who NEED it... he would drop it immediately.

    White people are really sensitive about this stuff, but it's not that complicated...

    For reasons that you will have to pay me to really get into (this is a LONG story)... fast strategy values are baked into black culture in America even if the people themselves are not fast strategy. This is the same in opposition about white people culture in America. In the south with all these meth head lunatics, I see white people talking about 'hard work' and all its virtues (even though Squirrel is not a particularly hard worker).

    I love all you white people. Shout out to white people. There is nothing wrong with white people and SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE!! I have always said, I don't want to eliminate white people from our program. I love Cade Otton and I love Josh Calvert.

    But it's more about a message that is not INTENDED to be exclusionary, but ends up being that way.

    That's why I really hope they take this rebrand seriously. I don't want to be Oregon. But just look at the team that won the Natty last year. They have fun, they are a bunch of JIVE ASSES... ...but if Pete honestly looks at the trajectory of Christian Wilkins' life and is able (PLEASE GOD) to realize that this OKG-branding, anti-fun/anti-hype approach will prevent UW from having stories like CW's, I know he would want to change it.

    I seriously hope they do.
    I hate white people
    quit sucking up to Dennis
    I don’t suck dick... I’ve always hated white people. Since I moved to the souwf...

    Is this better in Racist Russia?


    You're not very good at this.
    You’re not very good at monetizing a site with decent site traffic but I don’t say that to your face.
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,522
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    Swaye said:

    I am glad they are hitting the "draft" branding hard. Said this in the other thread but it amazes me with how detailed and on top of things everything about this program is, that our recruiting has taken 5 years to finally try to get messaging right and on point. Feels like Pete just doesn't like recruiting, so that is the one ad hoc thing about this program.

    But new branding centered on B4L and Come to UW to Get Drafted seems like a strategy that will work.

    #scoducks#wareagle

    I have always hated OKG. OKG is a Boise thing. It's 'we don't get our pick of the litter, so we have to do EXTREME vetting'.

    Because at Boise, you had to really make sure you were homing in on guys who would be productive past their rating, etc.

    At UW - we are recruiting basically the same kids everyone else is. How hard is it really to scout Bijan Robinson or Sav'ell? Are they OKGs?!?!

    I mean - they have superlative talent. That's why we got our shit pushed in by tOSU, Penn State and Bama. We need guys like that. It doesn't take some insane OKG-meter to figure out who we need.

    B4L is Washington branding (I believe Pete came up with it when he came to UW) and it suits their current mission much better. Instead of having the undercurrent of 'THIS IS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER DO - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO TO OREGON' in our recruiting message, B4L is more 'we will take kids that can go anywhere, and do something with them nowhere else will do'.

    OKG is about Pete and Co. prizing slow strategy values and (even though they don't realize it) selecting for obedient, beta kids (yes sir, no sir!!).

    B4L is about 'hey, we can get kids like Kevin King (not that he was some extreme knucklehead or anything, but almost certainly a kid we would not recruit now) and make them into big time players and give them a real foundation in life'.

    I have ALWAYS felt the tragedy of the OKG recruiting approach was that the kids who desperately NEED B4L won't get it because you are selling it in such a way that it turns off everyone who could REALLY benefit from it. Then we end up preaching to the converted and getting a bunch of beta kids. Nothing wrong with them, but we need a MIX.

    As I said on Ep #49 - I NEED B4L!!! I DO!!!! My rich friends who grew up in Magnolia and went to O'Dea don't need it. It's fine for them... but I have ALWAYS felt that Pete's fire for college football will burn brighter and longer if he realizes he has an opportunity to change the lives of a bunch of fast strategy kids who will be used up and spit out by Oregon, USC and whomever else.

    I have always felt if Pete could really get in touch with that reality he would really prize his opportunity. And if he realized what a shit-show OKG is perception wise, and what a disaster their 'anti-hype/anti-fun' stance is, and how much it impedes his ability to CHANGE LIVES of kids who NEED it... he would drop it immediately.

    White people are really sensitive about this stuff, but it's not that complicated...

    For reasons that you will have to pay me to really get into (this is a LONG story)... fast strategy values are baked into black culture in America even if the people themselves are not fast strategy. This is the same in opposition about white people culture in America. In the south with all these meth head lunatics, I see white people talking about 'hard work' and all its virtues (even though Squirrel is not a particularly hard worker).

    I love all you white people. Shout out to white people. There is nothing wrong with white people and SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE!! I have always said, I don't want to eliminate white people from our program. I love Cade Otton and I love Josh Calvert.

    But it's more about a message that is not INTENDED to be exclusionary, but ends up being that way.

    That's why I really hope they take this rebrand seriously. I don't want to be Oregon. But just look at the team that won the Natty last year. They have fun, they are a bunch of JIVE ASSES... ...but if Pete honestly looks at the trajectory of Christian Wilkins' life and is able (PLEASE GOD) to realize that this OKG-branding, anti-fun/anti-hype approach will prevent UW from having stories like CW's, I know he would want to change it.

    I seriously hope they do.
    I hate white people
    quit sucking up to Dennis

    Swaye said:

    I am glad they are hitting the "draft" branding hard. Said this in the other thread but it amazes me with how detailed and on top of things everything about this program is, that our recruiting has taken 5 years to finally try to get messaging right and on point. Feels like Pete just doesn't like recruiting, so that is the one ad hoc thing about this program.

    But new branding centered on B4L and Come to UW to Get Drafted seems like a strategy that will work.

    #scoducks#wareagle

    I have always hated OKG. OKG is a Boise thing. It's 'we don't get our pick of the litter, so we have to do EXTREME vetting'.

    Because at Boise, you had to really make sure you were homing in on guys who would be productive past their rating, etc.

    At UW - we are recruiting basically the same kids everyone else is. How hard is it really to scout Bijan Robinson or Sav'ell? Are they OKGs?!?!

    I mean - they have superlative talent. That's why we got our shit pushed in by tOSU, Penn State and Bama. We need guys like that. It doesn't take some insane OKG-meter to figure out who we need.

    B4L is Washington branding (I believe Pete came up with it when he came to UW) and it suits their current mission much better. Instead of having the undercurrent of 'THIS IS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER DO - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO TO OREGON' in our recruiting message, B4L is more 'we will take kids that can go anywhere, and do something with them nowhere else will do'.

    OKG is about Pete and Co. prizing slow strategy values and (even though they don't realize it) selecting for obedient, beta kids (yes sir, no sir!!).

    B4L is about 'hey, we can get kids like Kevin King (not that he was some extreme knucklehead or anything, but almost certainly a kid we would not recruit now) and make them into big time players and give them a real foundation in life'.

    I have ALWAYS felt the tragedy of the OKG recruiting approach was that the kids who desperately NEED B4L won't get it because you are selling it in such a way that it turns off everyone who could REALLY benefit from it. Then we end up preaching to the converted and getting a bunch of beta kids. Nothing wrong with them, but we need a MIX.

    As I said on Ep #49 - I NEED B4L!!! I DO!!!! My rich friends who grew up in Magnolia and went to O'Dea don't need it. It's fine for them... but I have ALWAYS felt that Pete's fire for college football will burn brighter and longer if he realizes he has an opportunity to change the lives of a bunch of fast strategy kids who will be used up and spit out by Oregon, USC and whomever else.

    I have always felt if Pete could really get in touch with that reality he would really prize his opportunity. And if he realized what a shit-show OKG is perception wise, and what a disaster their 'anti-hype/anti-fun' stance is, and how much it impedes his ability to CHANGE LIVES of kids who NEED it... he would drop it immediately.

    White people are really sensitive about this stuff, but it's not that complicated...

    For reasons that you will have to pay me to really get into (this is a LONG story)... fast strategy values are baked into black culture in America even if the people themselves are not fast strategy. This is the same in opposition about white people culture in America. In the south with all these meth head lunatics, I see white people talking about 'hard work' and all its virtues (even though Squirrel is not a particularly hard worker).

    I love all you white people. Shout out to white people. There is nothing wrong with white people and SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE!! I have always said, I don't want to eliminate white people from our program. I love Cade Otton and I love Josh Calvert.

    But it's more about a message that is not INTENDED to be exclusionary, but ends up being that way.

    That's why I really hope they take this rebrand seriously. I don't want to be Oregon. But just look at the team that won the Natty last year. They have fun, they are a bunch of JIVE ASSES... ...but if Pete honestly looks at the trajectory of Christian Wilkins' life and is able (PLEASE GOD) to realize that this OKG-branding, anti-fun/anti-hype approach will prevent UW from having stories like CW's, I know he would want to change it.

    I seriously hope they do.
    I hate white people
    quit sucking up to Dennis
    I don’t suck dick... I’ve always hated white people. Since I moved to the souwf...

    Is this better in Racist Russia?


    You're not very good at this.
    You’re not very good at monetizing a site with decent site traffic but I don’t say that to your face.
    That’s because you don’t have the GUTS.
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,522
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    PurpleJ said:

    Idk maybe spending your time spreading rumors of Pete being a Grand Wizard on twitter isn’t such a great idea.

    Also, imagine caring about this.

    Such fag, J

    Welcome back.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,743
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    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Idk maybe spending your time spreading rumors of Pete being a Grand Wizard on twitter isn’t such a great idea.

    Also, imagine caring about this.

    Such fag, J

    Welcome back.
    Slather my butthole in buttery maple syrup and eat it motherfucker!
    So such such fag, J
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,522
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    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Idk maybe spending your time spreading rumors of Pete being a Grand Wizard on twitter isn’t such a great idea.

    Also, imagine caring about this.

    Such fag, J

    Welcome back.
    Slather my butthole in buttery maple syrup and eat it motherfucker!
    So such such fag, J
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,922
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    Swaye said:

    I am glad they are hitting the "draft" branding hard. Said this in the other thread but it amazes me with how detailed and on top of things everything about this program is, that our recruiting has taken 5 years to finally try to get messaging right and on point. Feels like Pete just doesn't like recruiting, so that is the one ad hoc thing about this program.

    But new branding centered on B4L and Come to UW to Get Drafted seems like a strategy that will work.

    #scoducks#wareagle

    I have always hated OKG. OKG is a Boise thing. It's 'we don't get our pick of the litter, so we have to do EXTREME vetting'.

    Because at Boise, you had to really make sure you were homing in on guys who would be productive past their rating, etc.

    At UW - we are recruiting basically the same kids everyone else is. How hard is it really to scout Bijan Robinson or Sav'ell? Are they OKGs?!?!

    I mean - they have superlative talent. That's why we got our shit pushed in by tOSU, Penn State and Bama. We need guys like that. It doesn't take some insane OKG-meter to figure out who we need.

    B4L is Washington branding (I believe Pete came up with it when he came to UW) and it suits their current mission much better. Instead of having the undercurrent of 'THIS IS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER DO - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO TO OREGON' in our recruiting message, B4L is more 'we will take kids that can go anywhere, and do something with them nowhere else will do'.

    OKG is about Pete and Co. prizing slow strategy values and (even though they don't realize it) selecting for obedient, beta kids (yes sir, no sir!!).

    B4L is about 'hey, we can get kids like Kevin King (not that he was some extreme knucklehead or anything, but almost certainly a kid we would not recruit now) and make them into big time players and give them a real foundation in life'.

    I have ALWAYS felt the tragedy of the OKG recruiting approach was that the kids who desperately NEED B4L won't get it because you are selling it in such a way that it turns off everyone who could REALLY benefit from it. Then we end up preaching to the converted and getting a bunch of beta kids. Nothing wrong with them, but we need a MIX.

    As I said on Ep #49 - I NEED B4L!!! I DO!!!! My rich friends who grew up in Magnolia and went to O'Dea don't need it. It's fine for them... but I have ALWAYS felt that Pete's fire for college football will burn brighter and longer if he realizes he has an opportunity to change the lives of a bunch of fast strategy kids who will be used up and spit out by Oregon, USC and whomever else.

    I have always felt if Pete could really get in touch with that reality he would really prize his opportunity. And if he realized what a shit-show OKG is perception wise, and what a disaster their 'anti-hype/anti-fun' stance is, and how much it impedes his ability to CHANGE LIVES of kids who NEED it... he would drop it immediately.

    White people are really sensitive about this stuff, but it's not that complicated...

    For reasons that you will have to pay me to really get into (this is a LONG story)... fast strategy values are baked into black culture in America even if the people themselves are not fast strategy. This is the same in opposition about white people culture in America. In the south with all these meth head lunatics, I see white people talking about 'hard work' and all its virtues (even though Squirrel is not a particularly hard worker).

    I love all you white people. Shout out to white people. There is nothing wrong with white people and SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE!! I have always said, I don't want to eliminate white people from our program. I love Cade Otton and I love Josh Calvert.

    But it's more about a message that is not INTENDED to be exclusionary, but ends up being that way.

    That's why I really hope they take this rebrand seriously. I don't want to be Oregon. But just look at the team that won the Natty last year. They have fun, they are a bunch of JIVE ASSES... ...but if Pete honestly looks at the trajectory of Christian Wilkins' life and is able (PLEASE GOD) to realize that this OKG-branding, anti-fun/anti-hype approach will prevent UW from having stories like CW's, I know he would want to change it.

    I seriously hope they do.
    I hate white people
    quit sucking up to Dennis

    Swaye said:

    I am glad they are hitting the "draft" branding hard. Said this in the other thread but it amazes me with how detailed and on top of things everything about this program is, that our recruiting has taken 5 years to finally try to get messaging right and on point. Feels like Pete just doesn't like recruiting, so that is the one ad hoc thing about this program.

    But new branding centered on B4L and Come to UW to Get Drafted seems like a strategy that will work.

    #scoducks#wareagle

    I have always hated OKG. OKG is a Boise thing. It's 'we don't get our pick of the litter, so we have to do EXTREME vetting'.

    Because at Boise, you had to really make sure you were homing in on guys who would be productive past their rating, etc.

    At UW - we are recruiting basically the same kids everyone else is. How hard is it really to scout Bijan Robinson or Sav'ell? Are they OKGs?!?!

    I mean - they have superlative talent. That's why we got our shit pushed in by tOSU, Penn State and Bama. We need guys like that. It doesn't take some insane OKG-meter to figure out who we need.

    B4L is Washington branding (I believe Pete came up with it when he came to UW) and it suits their current mission much better. Instead of having the undercurrent of 'THIS IS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER DO - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO TO OREGON' in our recruiting message, B4L is more 'we will take kids that can go anywhere, and do something with them nowhere else will do'.

    OKG is about Pete and Co. prizing slow strategy values and (even though they don't realize it) selecting for obedient, beta kids (yes sir, no sir!!).

    B4L is about 'hey, we can get kids like Kevin King (not that he was some extreme knucklehead or anything, but almost certainly a kid we would not recruit now) and make them into big time players and give them a real foundation in life'.

    I have ALWAYS felt the tragedy of the OKG recruiting approach was that the kids who desperately NEED B4L won't get it because you are selling it in such a way that it turns off everyone who could REALLY benefit from it. Then we end up preaching to the converted and getting a bunch of beta kids. Nothing wrong with them, but we need a MIX.

    As I said on Ep #49 - I NEED B4L!!! I DO!!!! My rich friends who grew up in Magnolia and went to O'Dea don't need it. It's fine for them... but I have ALWAYS felt that Pete's fire for college football will burn brighter and longer if he realizes he has an opportunity to change the lives of a bunch of fast strategy kids who will be used up and spit out by Oregon, USC and whomever else.

    I have always felt if Pete could really get in touch with that reality he would really prize his opportunity. And if he realized what a shit-show OKG is perception wise, and what a disaster their 'anti-hype/anti-fun' stance is, and how much it impedes his ability to CHANGE LIVES of kids who NEED it... he would drop it immediately.

    White people are really sensitive about this stuff, but it's not that complicated...

    For reasons that you will have to pay me to really get into (this is a LONG story)... fast strategy values are baked into black culture in America even if the people themselves are not fast strategy. This is the same in opposition about white people culture in America. In the south with all these meth head lunatics, I see white people talking about 'hard work' and all its virtues (even though Squirrel is not a particularly hard worker).

    I love all you white people. Shout out to white people. There is nothing wrong with white people and SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE!! I have always said, I don't want to eliminate white people from our program. I love Cade Otton and I love Josh Calvert.

    But it's more about a message that is not INTENDED to be exclusionary, but ends up being that way.

    That's why I really hope they take this rebrand seriously. I don't want to be Oregon. But just look at the team that won the Natty last year. They have fun, they are a bunch of JIVE ASSES... ...but if Pete honestly looks at the trajectory of Christian Wilkins' life and is able (PLEASE GOD) to realize that this OKG-branding, anti-fun/anti-hype approach will prevent UW from having stories like CW's, I know he would want to change it.

    I seriously hope they do.
    I hate white people
    quit sucking up to Dennis
    I don’t suck dick... I’ve always hated white people. Since I moved to the souwf...

    Is this better in Racist Russia?


    You're not very good at this.
    You’re not very good at monetizing a site with decent site traffic but I don’t say that to your face.
    Says a guy who visits this site multiple times daily but doesn't contribute a dime
    Says the guy who doesn’t set up a programmatic system from adchoices. My visits alone would give you .81 a month.
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    haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,494
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    Getting a little personal here guys let's keep passive aggressive like me and Benny and his cunty flags
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    DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 60,058
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    haie said:

    Getting a little personal here guys let's keep passive aggressive like me and Benny and his cunty flags

    Nothing personal on my end.
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