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Sure I do bro. I'm way older that you @UW_Doog_Bot and when I was a little So Cal kiddie skiing at Deer Valley many of the train signs were in both Engrish and Japanese. But there's a big there's a big difference between the Japanese and Ze Chermans buying up the US in the 1980's and China now. Both Japan and Germany were close allies and Japan to this day still isn't independent from the US in terms of its foreign policy.UW_Doog_Bot said:YellowSnow said:
Prayingdoog.gifUW_Doog_Bot said:
LIPO mostly. They are ahead because they've spent billions on subsidizing a state owned company or two while price dumping into the rest of the world to gain market share. Lots of governments are wising up to this though and banning Chinese telecoms. If that continues to happen(which I think it will since who fucking wants the CCP literally spying on all of your communications?) look for lots of the traditional players to make up market share in a hurry.YellowSnow said:
I hate Trump but love Team America!!UW_Doog_Bot said:
My only hope on this point, and mind you I'm rooting for Team America not Trump, is that as Race said, why hasn't he just inked the deal already? The Chinese are willing to promise pie in the sky bullshit to make everyone look like a winner so long as none of it needs to be followed up on or enforced.CirrhosisDawg said:
Trump not willing to settle for symbolism? What else does trump have? He’ll cave and declare victory any minute now. LRR.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm already telling you, the CCP can't, not won't, can't, make the changes that will be required. Even if they could manage to enforce the rules it would essentially tank their economy and burst that debt bubble. The CCP's rule is predicated on economic growth. Take away state run corporate zombie debt spending and tech transfer growth and you are looking at recession in China. There goes their mandate from heaven to rule.greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
My hope is that Trump's advisers already know this, and know they have the CCP by the balls atm, and aren't willing to settle for a symbolic win before the election campaign starts.
I do admire your advocacy for an all-out trade war to break China. Trump doesn’t have the intelligence or ability to wage it though.
Edit: Point of clarity, I want to see the CCP broken, not China. Ideally the CCP gets forced into a corner where they have to accept two party elections and systematic reform with minimal bloodshed. The CCP is an enemy. The Chinese People are not.
What's your take @UW_Doog_Bot on Chiner and them being so far ahead of us in 5G?
Also see the above scenario, Hauwei will be in for a world of hurt if China goes into recession or is forced to actually respect IP for a plethora of reasons.
God I hope you're right. China and the CCP with telecom and microchip is scaring the fucking out of me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bqCPDYxft4
The CCP has over reached. Remember when we were worried about ze Germans? or the Japanese? buying up the US?
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I'm just saying that eventually both(and especially Japan) fell back down to earth and were forced to deal with economic realities after their "miracles".YellowSnow said:
Sure I do bro. I'm way older that you @UW_Doog_Bot and when I was a little So Cal kiddie skiing at Deer Valley many of the train signs were in both Engrish and Japanese. But there's a big there's a big difference between the Japanese and Ze Chermans buying up the US in the 1980's and China now. Both Japan and Germany were close allies and Japan to this day still isn't independent from the US in terms of its foreign policy.UW_Doog_Bot said:YellowSnow said:
Prayingdoog.gifUW_Doog_Bot said:
LIPO mostly. They are ahead because they've spent billions on subsidizing a state owned company or two while price dumping into the rest of the world to gain market share. Lots of governments are wising up to this though and banning Chinese telecoms. If that continues to happen(which I think it will since who fucking wants the CCP literally spying on all of your communications?) look for lots of the traditional players to make up market share in a hurry.YellowSnow said:
I hate Trump but love Team America!!UW_Doog_Bot said:
My only hope on this point, and mind you I'm rooting for Team America not Trump, is that as Race said, why hasn't he just inked the deal already? The Chinese are willing to promise pie in the sky bullshit to make everyone look like a winner so long as none of it needs to be followed up on or enforced.CirrhosisDawg said:
Trump not willing to settle for symbolism? What else does trump have? He’ll cave and declare victory any minute now. LRR.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm already telling you, the CCP can't, not won't, can't, make the changes that will be required. Even if they could manage to enforce the rules it would essentially tank their economy and burst that debt bubble. The CCP's rule is predicated on economic growth. Take away state run corporate zombie debt spending and tech transfer growth and you are looking at recession in China. There goes their mandate from heaven to rule.greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
My hope is that Trump's advisers already know this, and know they have the CCP by the balls atm, and aren't willing to settle for a symbolic win before the election campaign starts.
I do admire your advocacy for an all-out trade war to break China. Trump doesn’t have the intelligence or ability to wage it though.
Edit: Point of clarity, I want to see the CCP broken, not China. Ideally the CCP gets forced into a corner where they have to accept two party elections and systematic reform with minimal bloodshed. The CCP is an enemy. The Chinese People are not.
What's your take @UW_Doog_Bot on Chiner and them being so far ahead of us in 5G?
Also see the above scenario, Hauwei will be in for a world of hurt if China goes into recession or is forced to actually respect IP for a plethora of reasons.
God I hope you're right. China and the CCP with telecom and microchip is scaring the fucking out of me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bqCPDYxft4
The CCP has over reached. Remember when we were worried about ze Germans? or the Japanese? buying up the US? -
You should remind Xi Jinping he APPROVED trump’s trade deal points.greenblood said:
Read the Hondo News Network article.CirrhosisDawg said:
Already approved? By whom?greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
Just like North Korea denuclearization?
If you can’t trust the Chinese to negotiate a trade deal who can you trust? -
That’s why you have guys negotiating for you. If Xi Jinping didn’t like the progressing terms, maybe he should negotiate himself or put Swaye in charge.CirrhosisDawg said:
You should remind Xi Jinping he APPROVED trump’s trade deal points.greenblood said:
Read the Hondo News Network article.CirrhosisDawg said:
Already approved? By whom?greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
Just like North Korea denuclearization?
If you can’t trust the Chinese to negotiate a trade deal who can you trust? -
The Chinese need to get their act together. Seriously embarrassing themselves. Is this lack of good faith or incompetence by the Chinese? These are SERIOUS negotiations.greenblood said:
That’s why you have guys negotiating for you. If Xi Jinping didn’t like the progressing terms, maybe he should negotiate himself or put Swaye in charge.CirrhosisDawg said:
You should remind Xi Jinping he APPROVED trump’s trade deal points.greenblood said:
Read the Hondo News Network article.CirrhosisDawg said:
Already approved? By whom?greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
Just like North Korea denuclearization?
If you can’t trust the Chinese to negotiate a trade deal who can you trust? -
We are just mean. Why can't we make a deal similar to what we did for Iran?CirrhosisDawg said:
The Chinese need to get their act together. Seriously embarrassing themselves. Is this lack of good faith or incompetence by the Chinese? These are SERIOUS negotiations.greenblood said:
That’s why you have guys negotiating for you. If Xi Jinping didn’t like the progressing terms, maybe he should negotiate himself or put Swaye in charge.CirrhosisDawg said:
You should remind Xi Jinping he APPROVED trump’s trade deal points.greenblood said:
Read the Hondo News Network article.CirrhosisDawg said:
Already approved? By whom?greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
Just like North Korea denuclearization?
If you can’t trust the Chinese to negotiate a trade deal who can you trust? -
I understand why you’d want to change the subject right now.greenblood said:
We are just mean. Why can't we make a deal similar to what we did for Iran?CirrhosisDawg said:
The Chinese need to get their act together. Seriously embarrassing themselves. Is this lack of good faith or incompetence by the Chinese? These are SERIOUS negotiations.greenblood said:
That’s why you have guys negotiating for you. If Xi Jinping didn’t like the progressing terms, maybe he should negotiate himself or put Swaye in charge.CirrhosisDawg said:
You should remind Xi Jinping he APPROVED trump’s trade deal points.greenblood said:
Read the Hondo News Network article.CirrhosisDawg said:
Already approved? By whom?greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
Just like North Korea denuclearization?
If you can’t trust the Chinese to negotiate a trade deal who can you trust? -
You should stick to calling Trump obeseCirrhosisDawg said:
I understand why you’d want to change the subject right now.greenblood said:
We are just mean. Why can't we make a deal similar to what we did for Iran?CirrhosisDawg said:
The Chinese need to get their act together. Seriously embarrassing themselves. Is this lack of good faith or incompetence by the Chinese? These are SERIOUS negotiations.greenblood said:
That’s why you have guys negotiating for you. If Xi Jinping didn’t like the progressing terms, maybe he should negotiate himself or put Swaye in charge.CirrhosisDawg said:
You should remind Xi Jinping he APPROVED trump’s trade deal points.greenblood said:
Read the Hondo News Network article.CirrhosisDawg said:
Already approved? By whom?greenblood said:China just tried to renegotiate already approved portions of the trade negotiations. That is why Trump is escalating the issue.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/china-trade-talks-trump-intl/index.html
Just like North Korea denuclearization?
If you can’t trust the Chinese to negotiate a trade deal who can you trust?
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RaceBannon said:
Chinese have been usingcreepycoug said:
This. And that's when the shit really hits the fan. As we saw in 2008, the world's economy is not tied exclusively to tech ... housing is fucking massive to the economy.UW_Doog_Bot said:The Chinese Leadership can agree all they want. There's no way they are going to actually make the structural changes required to meet the demands made. It's either going to be a meaningless agreement made for show by both parties or put on your big girl panties for real tariffs to start. Chinese debt bubble could go pop because of it which also might mean another real estate adjustment across the globe. Either way, should be chinteresting.
Beverly HillsVancouver, BC, Seattle, and Bellevue real estate as a bank. China periodically clamps down on cash leaving. Big effect on prices -
Anything you guys were thinking about buying at harbor freight probably outta do it now.
