I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
No comrade, servitude is freedom. You will learn this in the Gulag.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
Like what?
Like everything.
That’s quite an argument
I know. Still waiting on your argument BTW as to why Lincoln was a piece of shit.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
Like what?
Like everything.
That’s quite an argument
I know. Still waiting on your argument BTW as to why Lincoln was a piece of shit.
He opposed gay marriage and was against trans-rights. Blow up the Memorial!!!
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
Like what?
Like everything.
That’s quite an argument
I know. Still waiting on your argument BTW as to why Lincoln was a piece of shit.
This is a bad idea for sure. He won't get everything right but he is far better than the Bernie, Harris, Warren, Schultz, Hickenlooper, Beto caravan of clowns.
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
Like what?
In 1776 @MikeDamonemost of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
I'd pay anything to see AOC debate him on any topic of her choosing. The destruction would be legendary.
It’s funny to see the right just admit that debates aren’t for arguing policy and changing peoples opinions but for some kind of theatrical domination of the side they don’t like. It’s also why debates are dumb in the first place.
You just don’t like competition. You are the poaster Child of what’s wrong with the majority of those under 30.
Having surveyed Shapiro’s work, and pointed out the various ways in which he is not terribly logical, not terribly consistent, and not terribly well-informed (in addition to being not terribly humane), it is worth asking why so many people think of him as a “principled” and “brilliant” dismantler of arguments. The answer, it seems to me, is largely that Shapiro is a very confident person who speaks quickly. If he weren’t either of these things, he wouldn’t seem nearly as intelligent. Because he doesn’t care about whether he’s right, but about whether he destroys you, he uses a few effective lawyerly tricks: insist that there’s “no evidence whatsoever” something is true, demand the other side produce such evidence, and when they stammer “Buh-buh-buh” for two seconds, quickly interrupt with “See? What did I tell you? No evidence.” Or, just pluck some random numbers from a study, even if they’re totally false or misleading, e.g. “40% of transgender people commit suicide and the risk doesn’t go down if they are treated better,” which was nonsense but sounded good. Cross-examine people with aggressive questions that confuse them: Are you a moose? I said: are you a moose? No? I didn’t think so. I rest my case. Use shifting burdens of proof: demand a wealth of statistical evidence before you will admit that black people face any unique hardships, but respond to every criticism of the Israeli government by calling the speaker a “proven” and “undeniable” anti-Semite. Disregard all facts that contradict your case, but insist constantly that the other side despises facts and can’t handle the truth. Call your opponents “nasty,” “evil,” “brainless” “jackasses.” All of these techniques work very well, and with them, you, too, can soon be Owning and Destroying your political opponents on camera. (I would probably lose a debate with Ben Shapiro quite badly, as my instinct in public conversations is to try to listen to people.)
I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.
Actually I am
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.
Like what?
In 1776 @MikeDamonemost of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
Nothing you said has anything to do with this:
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.”
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sheesh these fucking goyim
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
@PurpleThrobber
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.”