Yang on Shapiro
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We all know that I am the biggest liberal!RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle. -
RaceBannon said:MikeDamone said:
Fight meRaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
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*yarmulkeDerekJohnson said:
I like to call an orthodox Jew who wears a yamaka and has a combined 3.5 million subscribers a small time alt right Youtuber. It's what I like to do.allpurpleallgold said:Being interviewed by a small time alt right youtuber reeks of desperation.
Don’t worry, you can catch Bernie on Fox News in about a week. Big time high octane socialist town hall on America’s number one news network.
sheesh these fucking goyim -
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power. -
No comrade, servitude is freedom. You will learn this in the Gulag.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
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That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power. -
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power. -
Like everything.MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power. -
That’s quite an argumentYellowSnow said:
Like everything.MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power. -
It's an argument that literally has "everything."MikeDamone said:
That’s quite an argumentYellowSnow said:
Like everything.MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power. -
I know. Still waiting on your argument BTW as to why Lincoln was a piece of shit.MikeDamone said:
That’s quite an argumentYellowSnow said:
Like everything.MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
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He opposed gay marriage and was against trans-rights. Blow up the Memorial!!!YellowSnow said:
I know. Still waiting on your argument BTW as to why Lincoln was a piece of shit.MikeDamone said:
That’s quite an argumentYellowSnow said:
Like everything.MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power. -
Because of everythingYellowSnow said:
I know. Still waiting on your argument BTW as to why Lincoln was a piece of shit.MikeDamone said:
That’s quite an argumentYellowSnow said:
Like everything.MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
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This is a bad idea for sure. He won't get everything right but he is far better than the Bernie, Harris, Warren, Schultz, Hickenlooper, Beto caravan of clowns.Sledog said:Yang's an idiot!
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MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix. -
I read this as Wang on Shapiro.
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You just don’t like competition. You are the poaster Child of what’s wrong with the majority of those under 30.HardlyClothed said:
It’s funny to see the right just admit that debates aren’t for arguing policy and changing peoples opinions but for some kind of theatrical domination of the side they don’t like. It’s also why debates are dumb in the first place.Swaye said:
I'd pay anything to see AOC debate him on any topic of her choosing. The destruction would be legendary.BearsWiin said:
Imagine taking Benny Shapiro seriouslyHardlyClothed said: -
Insert dripping irony gif here.BearsWiin said:
https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopherSwaye said:
I'd pay anything to see AOC debate him on any topic of her choosing. The destruction would be legendary.BearsWiin said:
Imagine taking Benny Shapiro seriouslyHardlyClothed said:
Having surveyed Shapiro’s work, and pointed out the various ways in which he is not terribly logical, not terribly consistent, and not terribly well-informed (in addition to being not terribly humane), it is worth asking why so many people think of him as a “principled” and “brilliant” dismantler of arguments. The answer, it seems to me, is largely that Shapiro is a very confident person who speaks quickly. If he weren’t either of these things, he wouldn’t seem nearly as intelligent. Because he doesn’t care about whether he’s right, but about whether he destroys you, he uses a few effective lawyerly tricks: insist that there’s “no evidence whatsoever” something is true, demand the other side produce such evidence, and when they stammer “Buh-buh-buh” for two seconds, quickly interrupt with “See? What did I tell you? No evidence.” Or, just pluck some random numbers from a study, even if they’re totally false or misleading, e.g. “40% of transgender people commit suicide and the risk doesn’t go down if they are treated better,” which was nonsense but sounded good. Cross-examine people with aggressive questions that confuse them: Are you a moose? I said: are you a moose? No? I didn’t think so. I rest my case. Use shifting burdens of proof: demand a wealth of statistical evidence before you will admit that black people face any unique hardships, but respond to every criticism of the Israeli government by calling the speaker a “proven” and “undeniable” anti-Semite. Disregard all facts that contradict your case, but insist constantly that the other side despises facts and can’t handle the truth. Call your opponents “nasty,” “evil,” “brainless” “jackasses.” All of these techniques work very well, and with them, you, too, can soon be Owning and Destroying your political opponents on camera. (I would probably lose a debate with Ben Shapiro quite badly, as my instinct in public conversations is to try to listen to people.)
He's an aggressive fast-talking bullshit artist -
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Nothing you said has anything to do with this:YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.” -
What in the hell do you think was the proximate cause of the Revolution in the first place? Britain became a world empire in the wake of the Seven Years / French and Indian War and in 1763 decided to keep a large army in the Colonies and had to levy a bunch of new taxes (w/o representation in Westminster) on the colonials to pay for it.MikeDamone said:
Nothing you said has anything to do with this:YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.”
In 2019, Damone, what would you say is your #1 political grievance and biggest threat to your liberty? Is it just me or have I heard you state that #taxationistheft multiple times? So I wrote a few paragraphs on why the size of government and what we have to pay in taxes is much higher in 2019 than 1776. -
Among other flaws in this thinking, Marx's prediction proved false because free markets made everyone in a nation richer, not just a select few. The most free markets have consistently produced more wealth for their entire populations than any socialized system devised that doesn't resemble a Saudi oil state.YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
Related to the line of thinking, contrary to popular government produced history textbooks, the Gilded Age monopolies were very much helped along by rent-seeking politics and not the product of Laissez-faire capitalism. Standard Oil, The Railroads, Jp Morgan, Cattle Barons, etc. all had paid and bought for politicians, abused imminent domain, created laws against organized labor, and used licensing and regulations to dominate market share. None of those actions are trademarks of a "free market" where classical liberal values of protecting an individual's rights are paramount. Quite the opposite and in line with Mike's point that government institutions should be viewed as a "necessary evil" that are closely guarded against themselves. -
I wholeheartedly agree with everything above. But again my perception as it relates to MD's grievances about individual rights and liberties have a heck of a lot to do with #taxationistheftUW_Doog_Bot said:
Among other flaws in this thinking, Marx's prediction proved false because free markets made everyone in a nation richer, not just a select few. The most free markets have consistently produced more wealth for their entire populations than any socialized system devised that doesn't resemble a Saudi oil state.YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
Related to the line of thinking, contrary to popular government produced history textbooks, the Gilded Age monopolies were very much helped along by rent-seeking politics and not the product of Laissez-faire capitalism. Standard Oil, The Railroads, Jp Morgan, Cattle Barons, etc. all had paid and bought for politicians, abused imminent domain, created laws against organized labor, and used licensing and regulations to dominate market share. None of those actions are trademarks of a "free market" where classical liberal values of protecting an individual's rights are paramount. Quite the opposite and in line with Mike's point that government institutions should be viewed as a "necessary evil" that are closely guarded against themselves. -
I’m still not sure what your paragraphs have to do with the quote.YellowSnow said:
What in the hell do you think was the proximate cause of the Revolution in the first place? Britain became a world empire in the wake of the Seven Years / French and Indian War and in 1763 decided to keep a large army in the Colonies and had to levy a bunch of new taxes (w/o representation in Westminster) on the colonials to pay for it.MikeDamone said:
Nothing you said has anything to do with this:YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.”
In 2019, Damone, what would you say is your #1 political grievance and biggest threat to your liberty? Is it just me or have I heard you state that #taxationistheft multiple times? So I wrote a few paragraphs on why the size of government and what we have to pay in taxes is much higher in 2019 than 1776. -
I give up man. You've lost me.MikeDamone said:
I’m still not sure what your paragraphs have to do with the quote.YellowSnow said:
What in the hell do you think was the proximate cause of the Revolution in the first place? Britain became a world empire in the wake of the Seven Years / French and Indian War and in 1763 decided to keep a large army in the Colonies and had to levy a bunch of new taxes (w/o representation in Westminster) on the colonials to pay for it.MikeDamone said:
Nothing you said has anything to do with this:YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.”
In 2019, Damone, what would you say is your #1 political grievance and biggest threat to your liberty? Is it just me or have I heard you state that #taxationistheft multiple times? So I wrote a few paragraphs on why the size of government and what we have to pay in taxes is much higher in 2019 than 1776. -
You’re basically agreeing with the “necessary evil” sentence. Nothing in the what you said is inconsistent with the quote. Identity politics and populism are the biggest threats to liberty in my opinion.YellowSnow said:
I give up man. You've lost me.MikeDamone said:
I’m still not sure what your paragraphs have to do with the quote.YellowSnow said:
What in the hell do you think was the proximate cause of the Revolution in the first place? Britain became a world empire in the wake of the Seven Years / French and Indian War and in 1763 decided to keep a large army in the Colonies and had to levy a bunch of new taxes (w/o representation in Westminster) on the colonials to pay for it.MikeDamone said:
Nothing you said has anything to do with this:YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.”
In 2019, Damone, what would you say is your #1 political grievance and biggest threat to your liberty? Is it just me or have I heard you state that #taxationistheft multiple times? So I wrote a few paragraphs on why the size of government and what we have to pay in taxes is much higher in 2019 than 1776. -
Of course I agree with the "necessary evil" part of the quote. My original observation was simply that the size of the government (measured by spending) is by necessary evil a hell of a lot bigger in 2019 than 1776.MikeDamone said:
You’re basically agreeing with the “necessary evil” sentence. Nothing in the what you said is inconsistent with the quote. Identity politics and populism are the biggest threats to liberty in my opinion.YellowSnow said:
I give up man. You've lost me.MikeDamone said:
I’m still not sure what your paragraphs have to do with the quote.YellowSnow said:
What in the hell do you think was the proximate cause of the Revolution in the first place? Britain became a world empire in the wake of the Seven Years / French and Indian War and in 1763 decided to keep a large army in the Colonies and had to levy a bunch of new taxes (w/o representation in Westminster) on the colonials to pay for it.MikeDamone said:
Nothing you said has anything to do with this:YellowSnow said:MikeDamone said:
Like what?YellowSnow said:
That's what I meant. Alas, it take a lot more governance to run a modern post industrial society of 320,000,000 in 2019 than a pre-industrial one of 3,000,000 in 1776.MikeDamone said:
I prefer the one before the leftists took the word.YellowSnow said:
You and @MikeDamone are both welcome in my liberal party.RaceBannon said:
Actually I amMikeDamone said:
I’m the most liberal person here. Fact.YellowSnow said:
I'm a liberal cool bro @Swaye compared to our ideologically pure right wingers at HH.Swaye said:I cannot understand what has happened to my lone liberal cool bro APAG. Ah well, things change and I can handle the ups and downs of AOC the bartenders cult of personality I suppose.
Point of order though - Ben Shapiro, whether he hates Jews or not, is not some small time guy. He is actually becoming a pretty big player in the ultra conservative uber intelligent great policy debater circles of the world. It is known Jon Snow.
Impressed Yang would do this - Shaprio routinely destroys everyone with his grasp of policy and keen intellect, so even going on there takes balls of steel and true belief. Of course I don't agree with most of his policies, but I automatically like him more than all the rest of the field because he is likeable, rational and has a strong command of the issues - unlike most of the retards the Dems have shit out to run this cycle.
Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
In 1776 @MikeDamone most of the citizenry were pour farmers and life expectancy was something like 36 (i.e., not that many old fuckers to take care of). The pours could keep moving West and get land for dirt cheap or free. This relieved a lot of social pressure where as in places like France around the same time, the pours decided to revolt over bread prices and other shit. Other than the Revolution and 1812 we were protected by 2 massive oceans and with no real external threats until the 20th century. That made for one low cost defense budget.
But once the pours moved off the farms and into the cities in the later 19th and early 20th century it started getting harder to relieve their grievances. Like it or not, in a democracy you can only have so much of a spread in standard of living between the pours/middle class and the upper classes. Marx predicted that revolution would first come in the industrialized west- i.e., USA, France, Britain, etc - and yet that never happened because those societies conceded that a certain amount of welfare state / economic redistribution was necessary to stave off revolutions.
The problem we have now is that the way we redistribute wealth in this country is terribly bureaucratic , inefficient and create disincentive towards work. This is what we need to fix.
“Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.”
In 2019, Damone, what would you say is your #1 political grievance and biggest threat to your liberty? Is it just me or have I heard you state that #taxationistheft multiple times? So I wrote a few paragraphs on why the size of government and what we have to pay in taxes is much higher in 2019 than 1776.
And yes, fuck identity politics and populism. My kid starts Seattle public kindygarten this fall and everything is diversity this, diversity that, blah, blah, blah. When little Yella akes me why there are tents along I-5, I say because they are lazy and don't want to go to work like Mommy and Daddy. -
“Of course I agree with the "necessary evil" part of the quote. My original observation was simply that the size of the government (measured by spending) is by necessary evil a hell of a lot bigger in 2019 than 1776.”
Ok. But you made up something to argue about that was never part of the original statement.
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My bad. I wasn't trying to come at you bro.MikeDamone said:“Of course I agree with the "necessary evil" part of the quote. My original observation was simply that the size of the government (measured by spending) is by necessary evil a hell of a lot bigger in 2019 than 1776.”
Ok. But you made up something to argue about that was never part of the original statement. -
