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Elizabeth Warren proposes 'wealth tax' on Americans with more than $50 million in assets

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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,651 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    You mean the Indian?

    How do you get 3 trillion dollars from 0.1% of the country?

    I'll take my answer off the air

    You confiscate their wealth.
    Said the communist!
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club

    Wealth tax is a horrible idea. If you want to kill small business in the US this is a great place to start. The estate tax is a wealth tax and only administered generally after the last surviving spouse dies. That’s once in two lifetimes. Anyone associated with large estates realizes that valuing a large estate which includes partnerships, LLCs and non-publicly traded corporations is a nightmare for both the estate and the IRS. The cash and publicly traded securities are easy to value. Real estate alone is hard to value. Try hundreds of parcels of real estate owned by a variety of partnerships, LLCs and corporations. Then try to value a minority interest in a successful small business family owned corporation.

    Then try an annual wealth tax where all this would need to be done annually instead of once in two lifetimes. It’s almost like leftards hate private sector US employment of US citizens. What we are seeing is the complete failure of the US public education system. That is if you define failure as complete lack of knowledge of math, science, history and economics. If you define failure as not creating an educated independent freedom loving citizenry – then we have a smashing success on our hands.

    It’s also unconstitutional. So there is that.
    People forget that income taxes used to be unconstitutional too.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Wealth tax is a horrible idea. If you want to kill small business in the US this is a great place to start. The estate tax is a wealth tax and only administered generally after the last surviving spouse dies. That’s once in two lifetimes. Anyone associated with large estates realizes that valuing a large estate which includes partnerships, LLCs and non-publicly traded corporations is a nightmare for both the estate and the IRS. The cash and publicly traded securities are easy to value. Real estate alone is hard to value. Try hundreds of parcels of real estate owned by a variety of partnerships, LLCs and corporations. Then try to value a minority interest in a successful small business family owned corporation.

    Then try an annual wealth tax where all this would need to be done annually instead of once in two lifetimes. It’s almost like leftards hate private sector US employment of US citizens. What we are seeing is the complete failure of the US public education system. That is if you define failure as complete lack of knowledge of math, science, history and economics. If you define failure as not creating an educated independent freedom loving citizenry – then we have a smashing success on our hands.

    It’s also unconstitutional. So there is that.
    People forget that income taxes used to be unconstitutional too.
    If Liz wants to propose that we Amend the Constitution prior to enacting her plan let her knock herself out. But I didn't hear any call from her to do that.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,537 Standard Supporter
    The wealth tax is an excise tax on wealth. I agree it's not Constitutional. But my point stands.
  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"
  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    It's 4am, I haven't slept, and I just spent over an hour typing this post. That's how I know I did too many drugs last night.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,015

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Put in fucking term limits as a cross-check to force the bad people out if the electors lose their fucking minds.



  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Put in fucking term limits as a cross-check to force the bad people out if the electors lose their fucking minds.



    But then how will Congress get their lifetime pension?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Why would anyone look to the government to make their life better?
    Why don't you keep screaming build that Wall while sitting in the ER for hours with a bunch of illegals.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Why don’t you eat a bullet?
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    SFGbob said:

    Why don’t you eat a bullet?

    Typical higher level discussion from our resident Nazi.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,424 Founders Club

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Completely agree.

    Respect.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,015
    2001400ex said:

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Put in fucking term limits as a cross-check to force the bad people out if the electors lose their fucking minds.



    But then how will Congress get their lifetime pension?
    They could light themselves on fire and shorten their lifespan.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Why would anyone look to the government to make their life better?
    Dams and aqueducts don’t get built by private enterprise.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    SFGbob said:

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Why would anyone look to the government to make their life better?
    Dams and aqueducts don’t get built by private enterprise.
    Bob doesn't like the interstate system or clean Rivers either.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Trying to elect people who couldn’t find DC without a map has given us Carter and Trump. Not a winning move.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881
    SFGbob said:

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Why would anyone look to the government to make their life better?
    You missed the liberation of the concentration camps? Ever driven an interstate highway? Do you own any shares of public companies? Will you lose your savings if your bank goes tits up?

    Asking for a friend.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
    Ike sold the interstate freeway system as national defense

    Like a wall

    Shit the government is supposed to do
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Ike sold the interstate freeway system as national defense

    Like a wall

    Shit the government is supposed to do

    After saying you don't care how the tax cut was sold. Now you care how the interstate system was sold?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881

    Ike sold the interstate freeway system as national defense

    Like a wall

    Shit the government is supposed to do

    You driving a tank these days, Race?
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,214 Founders Club

    Ike sold the interstate freeway system as national defense

    Like a wall

    Shit the government is supposed to do

    Woodrow Wilson ducked us on this prett bad. Should have built the wall after Poncho Villa attacked New Messico.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Ike sold the interstate freeway system as national defense

    Like a wall

    Shit the government is supposed to do

    You driving a tank these days, Race?
    You're the idiots that brought it up

    Do we need a 70% tax rate to run interstate roads

    That's what I thought
  • MariotaTheGawd
    MariotaTheGawd Member Posts: 1,441

    Ike sold the interstate freeway system as national defense

    Like a wall

    Shit the government is supposed to do

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881

    HHusky said:

    Ike sold the interstate freeway system as national defense

    Like a wall

    Shit the government is supposed to do

    You driving a tank these days, Race?


    Do we need a 70% tax rate to run interstate roads

    I think the bigger problem with the 70% marginal tax rate is that it wouldn't raise that much money. I've already said I'd stop fetishizing investment income. Much simpler than taxing you rich guys 70% on your declared income exceeding $10 million.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    I love how creative politicians have to be when they're trying to take more money from people. If they would actually spend tax dollars on shit we wanted, or on shit that's actually necessary to maintain a healthy, civilized society, there wouldn't even be a need for taxes. People would just donate. Instead, they spend our money in the shittiest, most inefficient way possible, so they have to get creative and try to trick people into supporting tax increases by making us think "Yeah, fuck wealthy people. Those fuckers don't need all that wealth...it's just, like, sitting there totally unused, man. Those greedy, arrogant, unskilled, lazy, fat, racist good-for-nothing rich people only got rich by making me poor anyway. So let's tax the fuck out of them. Sure, that won't improve my standard of living because the government sure as fuck isn't going to make my life any better with that money. But that's not important. What's important is that I can sit here and feel good about all those wealthy people getting fucked over. Fuck yeah!"

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    The republicans deserve a lot of credit for electing Trump. He’s not the guy but they took their shot to get away from scumbag politicians. More than I can say for a shit load of democrats that won’t even take a shot.
    Why would anyone look to the government to make their life better?
    Dams and aqueducts don’t get built by private enterprise.
    Yeah, no doubt that's what he had in mind dams and aqueducts when he said:

    Start voting for people that will make people’s lives better. I always see this shit about “the government”. The government is made up of people. Elect better people and you’ll get better results.

    You'd be hard pressed to any significant new dams built in this country these days anyway. Something tells me he was thing about roads and ports when he made that statement. All of those would fall into the category of "general welfare."