Marine vet held by ICE for possible deportation is U.S. citizen

insinceredawg

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marine-vet-held-by-ice-for-possible-deportation-is-u-s-citizen/

A Marine veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder was held for three days for possible deportation before federal authorities learned the 27-year-old is a U.S. citizen born in Michigan, lawyers said Wednesday. Jilmar Ramos-Gomez was a lance corporal in the Marines and received awards for service in Afghanistan.

"He was decorated with a national defense service medal, a global war on terrorism service medal, an Afghanistan campaign medal, and a combat action ribbon, among other awards," the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan said Wednesday in a statement.

"Why did they think he was a non-citizen? Did they get him confused with someone else? Who knows," ACLU attorney Miriam Aukerman said. "This is an individual who's incredibly vulnerable with a mental illness."

SFGbob

They found out he was a citizen, he was no longer subject to deportation. The system works.

RaceBannon

Abolish ICE!!!!!!!!!

SFGbob

It's interesting how the same people that love government and want to make it bigger are shocked when government doesn't work very well. You know what would help with this? A wall.

RaceBannon

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

HHusky

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Cuz not building a fucking wall is like open borders and shit.

RaceBannon

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Cuz not building a fucking wall is like open borders and shit.

The thread is about ICE who several mainstream democrats want to abolish. Try to keep up

Not building a wall does help to keep the flow coming in though so good effort

HHusky

RaceBannon said:

Abolish ICE!!!!!!!!!

And birth right citizenship too, right Race?

USMChawk

Hmm, a Voter ID card could have prevented this from happening.

GrundleStiltzkin

USMChawk said:

Hmm, a Voter ID card could have prevented this from happening.

racist

RaceBannon

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

Abolish ICE!!!!!!!!!

And birth right citizenship too, right Race?

We already have a hondo here

Try to keep your flailing around to a minimum

Care to address abolishing ICE?

allpurpleallgold

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Can you explain why your side is so gung ho about the constitution (have to build a wall because constitution, have to have guns because constitution) but you’re now defending an organization that held a US citizen for 3 days without probable cause?

RaceBannon

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Can you explain why your side is so gung ho about the constitution (have to build a wall because constitution, have to have guns because constitution) but you’re now defending an organization that held a US citizen for 3 days without probable cause?

That's disingenuous

The IRS wrongfully goes after tax payers. Courts wrongfully convict citizens. The EPA tramples the rights of land owners. The government sucks in general but we got to have one

Why is ICE different?

I think you want to abolish them and aren't afraid to say it - apologies if I am wrong

I'm working on the more timid on your side who post a link and run. I believe our Cortez the Killer wants to abolish it as well along with other democrat politicians. Don't agree but admire the guts to take a stand rather than the usual mealy mouthed gutless approach

Blu82

The guy has mental issues so the ACLU steps in.
This has so much potential...…..

HHusky

USMChawk said:

Hmm, a Voter ID card could have prevented this from happening.

A national ID card? I suppose we could do that. But some here would think the black helicopters were imminent.

SFGbob

HHusky said:

USMChawk said:

Hmm, a Voter ID card could have prevented this from happening.

A national ID card? I suppose we could do that. But some here would think the black helicopters were imminent.

Oh I think if you were to take a vote on that today you’d find your team has greater opposition to that.

Might impact your voter based too much

Pitchfork51

Maybe he should have attempted to actually speak english

2001400ex

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

Abolish ICE!!!!!!!!!

And birth right citizenship too, right Race?

We already have a hondo here

Try to keep your flailing around to a minimum

Care to address abolishing ICE?

Race hears abolishing ice and think that only means open borders. You sound like rush Limbaugh.

RaceBannon

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

Abolish ICE!!!!!!!!!

And birth right citizenship too, right Race?

We already have a hondo here

Try to keep your flailing around to a minimum

Care to address abolishing ICE?

Race hears abolishing ice and think that only means open borders. You sound like rush Limbaugh.

Fuck off

2001400ex

RaceBannon said:

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

Abolish ICE!!!!!!!!!

And birth right citizenship too, right Race?

We already have a hondo here

Try to keep your flailing around to a minimum

Care to address abolishing ICE?

Race hears abolishing ice and think that only means open borders. You sound like rush Limbaugh.

Fuck off

Someone struck a nerve.

RaceBannon

Me

You gutless little bitch

2001400ex

RaceBannon said:

Me

You gutless little bitch

That's cute sugar bear.

allpurpleallgold

RaceBannon said:

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Can you explain why your side is so gung ho about the constitution (have to build a wall because constitution, have to have guns because constitution) but you’re now defending an organization that held a US citizen for 3 days without probable cause?

That's disingenuous

The IRS wrongfully goes after tax payers. Courts wrongfully convict citizens. The EPA tramples the rights of land owners. The government sucks in general but we got to have one

Why is ICE different?

I think you want to abolish them and aren't afraid to say it - apologies if I am wrong

I'm working on the more timid on your side who post a link and run. I believe our Cortez the Killer wants to abolish it as well along with other democrat politicians. Don't agree but admire the guts to take a stand rather than the usual mealy mouthed gutless approach

If you want to go after the IRS and EPA be my guest. The difference for me is those two aren’t responsible for hundreds of deaths. They don’t have thousands of sexual assault abuse complaints. They don’t hold war hero’s for 3 days because of the color of their skin. And they don’t separate children from their parents. So you can put lipstick on the old everybody does it argument but everybody doesn’t do that.

I think we can do better than an agency formed in the dust of 9/11 by the administration that brought us such hits as the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and the Great Recession. But if you don’t think Trump can do better, just say so.

RaceBannon

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Can you explain why your side is so gung ho about the constitution (have to build a wall because constitution, have to have guns because constitution) but you’re now defending an organization that held a US citizen for 3 days without probable cause?

That's disingenuous

The IRS wrongfully goes after tax payers. Courts wrongfully convict citizens. The EPA tramples the rights of land owners. The government sucks in general but we got to have one

Why is ICE different?

I think you want to abolish them and aren't afraid to say it - apologies if I am wrong

I'm working on the more timid on your side who post a link and run. I believe our Cortez the Killer wants to abolish it as well along with other democrat politicians. Don't agree but admire the guts to take a stand rather than the usual mealy mouthed gutless approach

If you want to go after the IRS and EPA be my guest. The difference for me is those two aren’t responsible for hundreds of deaths. They don’t have thousands of sexual assault abuse complaints. They don’t hold war hero’s for 3 days because of the color of their skin. And they don’t separate children from their parents. So you can put lipstick on the old everybody does it argument but everybody doesn’t do that.

I think we can do better than an agency formed in the dust of 9/11 by the administration that brought us such hits as the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and the Great Recession. But if you don’t think Trump can do better, just say so.

What should replace them? And who do they meet daily? The worst of the worst

Law enforcement sucks too and kills people

Do you want to replace them? Not everyone does

Let's restrict immigration to legal means where we control who gets in and you'll have a lot less issues with ICE

PurpleThrobber

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Can you explain why your side is so gung ho about the constitution (have to build a wall because constitution, have to have guns because constitution) but you’re now defending an organization that held a US citizen for 3 days without probable cause?

That's disingenuous

The IRS wrongfully goes after tax payers. Courts wrongfully convict citizens. The EPA tramples the rights of land owners. The government sucks in general but we got to have one

Why is ICE different?

I think you want to abolish them and aren't afraid to say it - apologies if I am wrong

I'm working on the more timid on your side who post a link and run. I believe our Cortez the Killer wants to abolish it as well along with other democrat politicians. Don't agree but admire the guts to take a stand rather than the usual mealy mouthed gutless approach

If you want to go after the IRS and EPA be my guest. The difference for me is those two aren’t responsible for hundreds of deaths. They don’t have thousands of sexual assault abuse complaints. They don’t hold war hero’s for 3 days because of the color of their skin. And they don’t separate children from their parents. So you can put lipstick on the old everybody does it argument but everybody doesn’t do that.

I think we can do better than an agency formed in the dust of 9/11 by the administration that brought us such hits as the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and the Great Recession. But if you don’t think Trump can do better, just say so.

MI would make a good illegal immigrant deportation camp. Only two ways on and off the islands. Lots of spare bedrooms in the mansions

Fly them up. When they clear the process they can walk over to Bellevue and freedom.

Kaepsknee

insinceredawg said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marine-vet-held-by-ice-for-possible-deportation-is-u-s-citizen/

A Marine veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder was held for three days for possible deportation before federal authorities learned the 27-year-old is a U.S. citizen born in Michigan, lawyers said Wednesday. Jilmar Ramos-Gomez was a lance corporal in the Marines and received awards for service in Afghanistan.

"He was decorated with a national defense service medal, a global war on terrorism service medal, an Afghanistan campaign medal, and a combat action ribbon, among other awards," the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan said Wednesday in a statement.

"Why did they think he was a non-citizen? Did they get him confused with someone else? Who knows," ACLU attorney Miriam Aukerman said. "This is an individual who's incredibly vulnerable with a mental illness."

That is truly horrible and Heads should roll for this shit.

allpurpleallgold

RaceBannon said:

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

allpurpleallgold said:

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Can you explain why your side is so gung ho about the constitution (have to build a wall because constitution, have to have guns because constitution) but you’re now defending an organization that held a US citizen for 3 days without probable cause?

That's disingenuous

The IRS wrongfully goes after tax payers. Courts wrongfully convict citizens. The EPA tramples the rights of land owners. The government sucks in general but we got to have one

Why is ICE different?

I think you want to abolish them and aren't afraid to say it - apologies if I am wrong

I'm working on the more timid on your side who post a link and run. I believe our Cortez the Killer wants to abolish it as well along with other democrat politicians. Don't agree but admire the guts to take a stand rather than the usual mealy mouthed gutless approach

If you want to go after the IRS and EPA be my guest. The difference for me is those two aren’t responsible for hundreds of deaths. They don’t have thousands of sexual assault abuse complaints. They don’t hold war hero’s for 3 days because of the color of their skin. And they don’t separate children from their parents. So you can put lipstick on the old everybody does it argument but everybody doesn’t do that.

I think we can do better than an agency formed in the dust of 9/11 by the administration that brought us such hits as the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and the Great Recession. But if you don’t think Trump can do better, just say so.

What should replace them? And who do they meet daily? The worst of the worst

Law enforcement sucks too and kills people

Do you want to replace them? Not everyone does

Let's restrict immigration to legal means where we control who gets in and you'll have a lot less issues with ICE

How about an agency that won’t commit human rights violations? Drain the swamp.

The problems with law enforcement are so intertwined with the justice system that replacing one without the other would accomplish nothing. Massive overhauls to both are needed.

These are not valid comparisons though. ICE didn’t exist until 2003. It’s like saying if you want to get rid of the Patriot Act why not get rid of the Bill of Rights? You don’t want war in Iraq so you think we should have just let Hitler win?

I understand the point in challenging the logic by applying it to other situations but I don’t find any of the situations youve suggested to be similar enough to be compelling.

SFGbob

Do you have any evidence that they were only holding him because of the color of his skin?


Is it some kind of new revelation to you that large government bureaucracies are often incompetent and do a very shitty job? Have you spent anytime inside of a California DMV office in the last few years? They suck and they are incompetent and they make all kinds of mistakes. Should I blame it on racism and the color of my skin?

sarktastic

Clearly, more to this "story"

RaceBannon

Is there a proposal to replace ICE? I'd hate to think folks just want to eliminate enforcement aka open borders

Sanctuary cities won't let local law enforcement do the job. Someone has too

You give a guy a gun and authority and some are going to abuse it. Natural selection made us that way

Give me an alternative

RoadTrip

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

If you want to abolish the IRS or Dept of Education you are some sort of dangerous radical kook

Get rid of border enforcement? Mainstream issue

Cuz not building a fucking wall is like open borders and shit.

you're fag