I don’t love this hire because he strikes me as a good coach but mediocre recruiter and we’re at the place we should be able to have abundance. That said, the Joey Thomas endorsement is really intriguing. I know he’s probably just talking up his boy, but if he really does have the appeal to the urban African American kid, that’s a major leg up in recruiting at this specific position (and one we have obviously lacked).
Combine with the fact it really does appear he can coach, and I’m intrigued.
When has he ever been at a program capable of getting high-profile recruits? I don't think he's ever even been at a Power-5 school before. He's an unproven recruiter but you can't call him a mediocre recruiter until he has a chance to recruit to a big school like UW.
I like the hire. I don’t really understand the concern about recruiting at a lower level versus a higher level. I think if you can connect with kids you can connect with kids. At a low level school it’s not like you’re convincing five star guys to go to Appalachian State. You are fishing from a pool of two and three star guys just like everyone else
And since I believe coaching is more important than recruiting, having a guy known as a good coach is OK with me.
I also don’t believe our own bullshit about Pete’s offense being complicated. What’s complicated? To me, the only thing that could be complicated about the wide receiver role is doing site adjustments based on coverages, and I haven’t heard anybody talking about us doing that to any great extent. As far as I remember, the routes have numbers and it doesn’t even get into fucking double digits. What so goddamn complicated about remembering up to nine?!
The real issue, IMO, is that we don’t have great receivers and we run bullshit plays that require great receivers for success. But to me the obvious answer isn’t just to keep firing people until we get a great recruiter that can get great receivers, it’s to stop running bullshit plays where we make it easy on the defender to cover our decent receivers. I want both, but our receivers should be good enough now to get open if we help them with coaching.
Maybe the cult of McVey will have some positives. He gets credit as a genius and his offense runs all the same plays over and over without even all the multiple formation shit. Run the ball then play action. Receivers are wide open
Maybe the cult of McVey will have some positives. He gets credit as a genius and his offense runs all the same plays over and over without even all the multiple formation shit. Run the ball then play action. Receivers are wide open
True genius is to make the complex simple.
Kyle Shannahan and Josh McDaniels run insanely complex offensive schemes with a high degree of success too. 2 sides to the coin
I was originally in lipo but disappointed mode. But both Joey Thomas and tracy Ford praising the hiring tells me he has a lot more local respect than I thought originally.
The real issue, IMO, is that we don’t have great receivers and we run bullshit plays that require great receivers for success. But to me the obvious answer isn’t just to keep firing people until we get a great recruiter that can get great receivers, it’s to stop running bullshit plays where we make it easy on the defender to cover our decent receivers. I want both, but our receivers should be good enough now to get open if we help them with coaching.
Either that or our receivers get open decently we just have spent four years with a qb who needs them to be wide open.
I’m pretty much LIPO on everything regarding the offense until we see it with another QB.
Seeing Dante Pettis go second round and have a strong rookie year after a decent but not great senior year gave me a lot of pause. I think our receivers are better than we know.
osborne18 had this to say about the hire on ST article: "Adding talent? They have 3 top 4 star WR's in the 2018 class that we not allowed to compete this year. This would be a great hire for UW. Crossing my fingers."
Interesting he said the 2018 kids were not "allowed" to compete this year...
Maybe the cult of McVey will have some positives. He gets credit as a genius and his offense runs all the same plays over and over without even all the multiple formation shit. Run the ball then play action. Receivers are wide open
True genius is to make the complex simple.
Kyle Shannahan and Josh McDaniels run insanely complex offensive schemes with a high degree of success too. 2 sides to the coin
They also have all year to work on them. Not 20 hours a week with 18 year olds
Sure, anyone can learn anything given enough time. 5th year senior and they are ready to go
Shanahan and McDaniels like to be called a genius. Gilby had the same problem. Most coaches do and most coaches are PE teachers with a nice salary
The real issue, IMO, is that we don’t have great receivers and we run bullshit plays that require great receivers for success. But to me the obvious answer isn’t just to keep firing people until we get a great recruiter that can get great receivers, it’s to stop running bullshit plays where we make it easy on the defender to cover our decent receivers. I want both, but our receivers should be good enough now to get open if we help them with coaching.
Either that or our receivers get open decently we just have spent four years with a qb who needs them to be wide open.
I’m pretty much LIPO on everything regarding the offense until we see it with another QB.
Seeing Dante Pettis go second round and have a strong rookie year after a decent but not great senior year gave me a lot of pause. I think our receivers are better than we know.
This. This I like. I will give the receivers the benefit of the doubt. Frowning was trash. We will see the truth with Eason hopefully. Also I'm a reetaard only 65% what does LIPO mean?
Was kicked of of Erickson's wild pack of beaves for felony assault. I'm encouraged!
Football players beat up or at least abuse civilian students at parties all the time. The programs are fortunate that the incidents are rarely reported.
Three well known Poly OL at UW in the early 90s wrecked a party at my place and one kicked my 140lb friend in the head. All this over control of the music. Two of the three would have been fucked had the police been called, but even the libtard crowd I hung out with were mostly football fans and about half season ticket holders. Nobody even mentioned the idea of making a thing out of it. Almost everyone there had seen the same type if shit happen before.
1999. Roger Fa’agataa repeatedly punched me in the face.
Never got me down.
Rog' definitely had a bit of a temper if you got on his bad side ...
Definitely had a dust ups with players over the years.
The real issue, IMO, is that we don’t have great receivers and we run bullshit plays that require great receivers for success. But to me the obvious answer isn’t just to keep firing people until we get a great recruiter that can get great receivers, it’s to stop running bullshit plays where we make it easy on the defender to cover our decent receivers. I want both, but our receivers should be good enough now to get open if we help them with coaching.
Either that or our receivers get open decently we just have spent four years with a qb who needs them to be wide open.
I’m pretty much LIPO on everything regarding the offense until we see it with another QB.
Seeing Dante Pettis go second round and have a strong rookie year after a decent but not great senior year gave me a lot of pause. I think our receivers are better than we know.
This. This I like. I will give the receivers the benefit of the doubt. Frowning was trash. We will see the truth with Eason hopefully. Also I'm a reetaard only 65% what does LIPO mean?
Speaking of controlling the music... years ago my 1st ex-wife and I went with a group of folks from her job for a ski weekend in Bend (because many of them couldn't ski runs any harder than blue squares). Our group was big enough that we rented two vacation homes side by side, but we spent all of our group time in the house with a stereo system and big kitchen for group meals.
Some self-appointed person was playing Neil Diamond the entire fucking weekend. Finally, I'd had enough and I put in an Alice in Chains CD. Dirty looks ensued and one of my wife's coworkers pulled me aside and said that some of the people there found Alice in Chains offensive... I'm like WTF?!? Has anybody bothered to ask me if I find two straight days Neil Diamond offensive? On the drive home, my ex-wife told me that I had embarrassed her in front of her co-workers. I told her that it wasn't my fault that her coworkers had really shitty taste in music.
Maybe the cult of McVey will have some positives. He gets credit as a genius and his offense runs all the same plays over and over without even all the multiple formation shit. Run the ball then play action. Receivers are wide open
True genius is to make the complex simple.
Kyle Shannahan and Josh McDaniels run insanely complex offensive schemes with a high degree of success too. 2 sides to the coin
Shanahan's offense really isn't that different from McVay's. Lot's of outside zone and play-action, and using the RBs in the passing game. Super complicated shit, yo.
I mean, I didn't watch the 49ers a ton this year. Maybe he has adapted it a bit because he doesn't have RBs or an O-line there. But traditionally that's been his style.
The real issue, IMO, is that we don’t have great receivers and we run bullshit plays that require great receivers for success. But to me the obvious answer isn’t just to keep firing people until we get a great recruiter that can get great receivers, it’s to stop running bullshit plays where we make it easy on the defender to cover our decent receivers. I want both, but our receivers should be good enough now to get open if we help them with coaching.
Either that or our receivers get open decently we just have spent four years with a qb who needs them to be wide open.
I’m pretty much LIPO on everything regarding the offense until we see it with another QB.
Seeing Dante Pettis go second round and have a strong rookie year after a decent but not great senior year gave me a lot of pause. I think our receivers are better than we know.
This. This I like. I will give the receivers the benefit of the doubt. Frowning was trash. We will see the truth with Eason hopefully. Also I'm a reetaard only 65% what does LIPO mean?
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And since I believe coaching is more important than recruiting, having a guy known as a good coach is OK with me.
I also don’t believe our own bullshit about Pete’s offense being complicated. What’s complicated? To me, the only thing that could be complicated about the wide receiver role is doing site adjustments based on coverages, and I haven’t heard anybody talking about us doing that to any great extent. As far as I remember, the routes have numbers and it doesn’t even get into fucking double digits. What so goddamn complicated about remembering up to nine?!
True genius is to make the complex simple.
Fast Strategy, nice.
I’m pretty much LIPO on everything regarding the offense until we see it with another QB.
Seeing Dante Pettis go second round and have a strong rookie year after a decent but not great senior year gave me a lot of pause. I think our receivers are better than we know.
"Adding talent? They have 3 top 4 star WR's in the 2018 class that we not allowed to compete this year. This would be a great hire for UW. Crossing my fingers."
Interesting he said the 2018 kids were not "allowed" to compete this year...
Sure, anyone can learn anything given enough time. 5th year senior and they are ready to go
Shanahan and McDaniels like to be called a genius. Gilby had the same problem. Most coaches do and most coaches are PE teachers with a nice salary
It’s gonna be good, he seems to have the respect of some of most important people in west cost recruiting
Definitely had a dust ups with players over the years.
I mean, I didn't watch the 49ers a ton this year. Maybe he has adapted it a bit because he doesn't have RBs or an O-line there. But traditionally that's been his style.