Any of you libs care to take a stab at tell us why Trump's Ad is racist?
Liberals believe that if they just use their magic words the immediately "win" the argument. Neo-Con, Koch brothers, Haliburton, homophobe and racist.
So tell us, why is this Ad racist?
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/31/trump_web_ad_targets_criminal_illegal_immigrants_who_else_would_democrats_let_in.html
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Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though. -
Takes a hell of lot of inferences to come to those conclusions. I think what those people have in common is that they want to come here illegally if necessary and yes some of those illegals, that the Rats support, do awful things when they get here. If we keep illegals out of the country we won't have crimes like this committed by illegals.
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But the migrants aren't "coming here illegally". They aren't sneaking in. They aren't hiding. They're coming to apply for asylum. You can argue we shouldn't give that to them, and I mostly agree, and we surely won't, but that's a far cry from coming here illegally.SFGbob said:Takes a hell of lot of inferences to come to those conclusions. I think what those people have in common is that they want to come here illegally if necessary and yes some of those illegals, that the Rats support, do awful things when they get here. If we keep illegals out of the country we won't have crimes like this committed by illegals.
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We just witnessed this very same scenario a few months ago. While some did apply for asylum at an official port of entry many entered the country illegally. They intentionally brought kids with them, many times not even their own kids because they knew if they were picked up for entering the country illegally they could only be detained for a few weeks because of the kids.
Many of these people if denied asylum will not just turn around and go home, they will enter the country illegally. -
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though. -
Jesus.SFGbob said:
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though.
Fucking Hondo #2
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Given the context of this administration and Trump' proven willingness to fan racial tensions and prey on white fears of browns and blacks, not really.SFGbob said:
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though.
I don't think Trump's a racist so much as a pragmatist. I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally. -
Jesus, another Kunt response where this jackass doesn't lay a glove on anything I said.dflea said:
Jesus.SFGbob said:
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though.
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You think people who oppose illegal immigration are racists? There's a lot of supposition in your claim but you have a right to that opinion but if you watch CNN or MSNBC they aren't reporting on this as if the Ad is racist in their opinion, they are stating flat-out that it's a racist Ad. The Ad never mentions race.HillsboroDuck said:
Given the context of this administration and Trump' proven willingness to fan racial tensions and prey on white fears of browns and blacks, not really.SFGbob said:
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though.
I don't think Trump's a racist so much as a pragmatist. I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally. -
I'd be shocked if he was the ad before it ran or had any input.HillsboroDuck said:
Given the context of this administration and Trump' proven willingness to fan racial tensions and prey on white fears of browns and blacks, not really.SFGbob said:
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though.
I don't think Trump's a racist so much as a pragmatist. I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally. -
I didn't say that.SFGbob said:
You think people who oppose illegal immigration are racists? There's a lot of supposition in your claim but you have a right to that opinion but if you watch CNN or MSNBC they aren't reporting on this as if the Ad is racist in their opinion, they are stating flat-out that it's a racist Ad. The Ad never mentions race.HillsboroDuck said:
Given the context of this administration and Trump' proven willingness to fan racial tensions and prey on white fears of browns and blacks, not really.SFGbob said:
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though.
I don't think Trump's a racist so much as a pragmatist. I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
This is roughly how I see it, with apologies to @TheChart and @Dardanus.
The overlapped section is the most passionate, vocal and easily manipulated. Trump knows when appealing to them they'll do what needs to be done to fire up the non racist portion of the diagram.
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You're fucking stupid.SFGbob said:If you listen to CNN or MSNBC you'd think that Trump had just re-made Birth of a Nation. Passion came here yesterday and claimed the Ad was racist but then ran away when asked to explain why.
Liberals believe that if they just use their magic words the immediately "win" the argument. Neo-Con, Koch brothers, Haliburton, homophobe and racist.
So tell us, why is this Ad racist?
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/31/trump_web_ad_targets_criminal_illegal_immigrants_who_else_would_democrats_let_in.html -
No input probably but I bet he BRB, YO'd to it at least once before he poasted it.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I'd be shocked if he was the ad before it ran or had any input.HillsboroDuck said:
Given the context of this administration and Trump' proven willingness to fan racial tensions and prey on white fears of browns and blacks, not really.SFGbob said:
Is there any possibility that your interpretation of the Ad is wrong and therefore possibly not racist?HillsboroDuck said:Ummmm, because it uses footage of an illegal immigrant from Mexico who committed atrocities to suggest that those who are trying to come here from Honduras are coming here to do the same thing, when the main thing they have in common is the color of their skin? He's not Honduran, he didn't come in a Caravan, but his actions predict theirs because skin color.
It's the clear implication of the ad.
I agree completely with your second paragraph but that doesn't mean they are never right in their claims. They're right about this one, it's pretty obvious.
The migrant caravan is a huge boon for the GOP heading into the election and Trump is smart to take advantage of that. It could have been done a lot more subtly though.
I don't think Trump's a racist so much as a pragmatist. I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
Trump strikes me as a micromanager. I don't think he's giving his team a ton of carte blanche. -
I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
Why wouldn't just simply opposing illegal immigration appeal to these racists? Why would you need a "racist" Ad? -
"Trump knows when appealing to them they'll do what needs to be done to fire up the non racist portion of the diagram."SFGbob said:I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
Why wouldn't just simply opposing illegal immigration appeal to these racists? Why would you need a "racist" Ad?
He put the video out for the racists to share with their anti illegal immigration, non/less racist frens.
There's definitely a brilliance to Trump. -
Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left. -
But the Ad is getting massive play on CNN, are they racists?HillsboroDuck said:
"Trump knows when appealing to them they'll do what needs to be done to fire up the non racist portion of the diagram."SFGbob said:I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
Why wouldn't just simply opposing illegal immigration appeal to these racists? Why would you need a "racist" Ad?
He put the video out for the racists to share with their anti illegal immigration, non/less racist frens.
There's definitely a brilliance to Trump. -
But why would he need that Ad? Wouldn't opposing illegal immigration be enough of a motivation for these "racists?" Any idea what percentage of the people who oppose illegal immigration are racists?HillsboroDuck said:Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left.
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CNN's trying to use it to fire up their base as well.SFGbob said:
But the Ad is getting massive play on CNN, are they racists?HillsboroDuck said:
"Trump knows when appealing to them they'll do what needs to be done to fire up the non racist portion of the diagram."SFGbob said:I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
Why wouldn't just simply opposing illegal immigration appeal to these racists? Why would you need a "racist" Ad?
He put the video out for the racists to share with their anti illegal immigration, non/less racist frens.
There's definitely a brilliance to Trump.
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I already gave you a graph of my take on this. There's obviously no way to objectively measure it so you can agree or disagree with my opinion all you want, I'm fine with it.SFGbob said:
But why would he need that Ad? Wouldn't opposing illegal immigration be enough of a motivation for these "racists?" Any idea what percentage of the people who oppose illegal immigration are racists?HillsboroDuck said:Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left.
As for your first question, I'll try and explain it one more. The racists are motivated. The video is a tool for them to share with their less/non racist frens who also fear immigration to motivate them to vote also. -
And none of CNN's base is racist, only Trump's base is racist. I'm starting to get it now.HillsboroDuck said:
CNN's trying to use it to fire up their base as well.SFGbob said:
But the Ad is getting massive play on CNN, are they racists?HillsboroDuck said:
"Trump knows when appealing to them they'll do what needs to be done to fire up the non racist portion of the diagram."SFGbob said:I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
Why wouldn't just simply opposing illegal immigration appeal to these racists? Why would you need a "racist" Ad?
He put the video out for the racists to share with their anti illegal immigration, non/less racist frens.
There's definitely a brilliance to Trump.
Also clicks.
hth -
Of course you're just giving me your opinion, that's fine, we don't have to agree. But you have no idea what the percentage of people who oppose illegal immigration that are racists. Any people who support illegal immigration that might be racist? Do these people really "fear" immigration or are they just opposed to illegal immigration?HillsboroDuck said:
I already gave you a graph of my take on this. There's obviously no way to objectively measure it so you can agree or disagree with my opinion all you want, I'm fine with it.SFGbob said:
But why would he need that Ad? Wouldn't opposing illegal immigration be enough of a motivation for these "racists?" Any idea what percentage of the people who oppose illegal immigration are racists?HillsboroDuck said:Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left.
As for your first question, I'll try and explain it one more. The racists are motivated. The video is a tool for them to share with their less/non racist frens who also fear immigration to motivate them to vote also. -
Not what I said.SFGbob said:
And none of CNN's base is racist, only Trump's base is racist. I'm starting to get it now.HillsboroDuck said:
CNN's trying to use it to fire up their base as well.SFGbob said:
But the Ad is getting massive play on CNN, are they racists?HillsboroDuck said:
"Trump knows when appealing to them they'll do what needs to be done to fire up the non racist portion of the diagram."SFGbob said:I do think he knows he's appealing to racists and does it chintentionally.
Why wouldn't just simply opposing illegal immigration appeal to these racists? Why would you need a "racist" Ad?
He put the video out for the racists to share with their anti illegal immigration, non/less racist frens.
There's definitely a brilliance to Trump.
Also clicks.
hth
Again, I already gave you a chart.
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I've answered like ten of your questions in this thread and all you do is ask another stupider one. It's clear you're not interested in what I have to say. I'll take my cue to stop answering.SFGbob said:
Of course you're just giving me your opinion, that's fine, we don't have to agree. But you have no idea what the percentage of people who oppose illegal immigration that are racists. Any people who support illegal immigration that might be racist? Do these people really "fear" immigration or are they just opposed to illegal immigration?HillsboroDuck said:
I already gave you a graph of my take on this. There's obviously no way to objectively measure it so you can agree or disagree with my opinion all you want, I'm fine with it.SFGbob said:
But why would he need that Ad? Wouldn't opposing illegal immigration be enough of a motivation for these "racists?" Any idea what percentage of the people who oppose illegal immigration are racists?HillsboroDuck said:Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left.
As for your first question, I'll try and explain it one more. The racists are motivated. The video is a tool for them to share with their less/non racist frens who also fear immigration to motivate them to vote also. -
I'm taking in every word you're saying. I'm interested. Trump puts out this Ad to appeal to his racist base. A certain percentage of the people opposed to illegal immigration are racist but you can't say what that percentage might be. CNN plays this Ad to appeal to their base, who I assume is not racist. Yes, you didn't say this but you're big on inferences so I just inferred that. If I'm wrong and you believe that both CNN and Trump's bases are filled with racists I apologize.HillsboroDuck said:
I've answered like ten of your questions in this thread and all you do is ask another stupider one. It's clear you're not interested in what I have to say. I'll take my cue to stop answering.SFGbob said:
Of course you're just giving me your opinion, that's fine, we don't have to agree. But you have no idea what the percentage of people who oppose illegal immigration that are racists. Any people who support illegal immigration that might be racist? Do these people really "fear" immigration or are they just opposed to illegal immigration?HillsboroDuck said:
I already gave you a graph of my take on this. There's obviously no way to objectively measure it so you can agree or disagree with my opinion all you want, I'm fine with it.SFGbob said:
But why would he need that Ad? Wouldn't opposing illegal immigration be enough of a motivation for these "racists?" Any idea what percentage of the people who oppose illegal immigration are racists?HillsboroDuck said:Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left.
As for your first question, I'll try and explain it one more. The racists are motivated. The video is a tool for them to share with their less/non racist frens who also fear immigration to motivate them to vote also. -
There's far more racists in Trump's base than CNN's. CNN's base has people with plenty of other issues.SFGbob said:
I'm taking in every word you're saying. I'm interested. Trump puts out this Ad to appeal to his racist base. A certain percentage of the people opposed to illegal immigration are racist but you can't say what that percentage might be. CNN plays this Ad to appeal to their base, who I assume is not racist. Yes, you didn't say this but you're big on inferences so I just inferred that. If I'm wrong and you believe that both CNN and Trump's bases are filled with racists I apologize.HillsboroDuck said:
I've answered like ten of your questions in this thread and all you do is ask another stupider one. It's clear you're not interested in what I have to say. I'll take my cue to stop answering.SFGbob said:
Of course you're just giving me your opinion, that's fine, we don't have to agree. But you have no idea what the percentage of people who oppose illegal immigration that are racists. Any people who support illegal immigration that might be racist? Do these people really "fear" immigration or are they just opposed to illegal immigration?HillsboroDuck said:
I already gave you a graph of my take on this. There's obviously no way to objectively measure it so you can agree or disagree with my opinion all you want, I'm fine with it.SFGbob said:
But why would he need that Ad? Wouldn't opposing illegal immigration be enough of a motivation for these "racists?" Any idea what percentage of the people who oppose illegal immigration are racists?HillsboroDuck said:Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left.
As for your first question, I'll try and explain it one more. The racists are motivated. The video is a tool for them to share with their less/non racist frens who also fear immigration to motivate them to vote also.
I gave you a graph, if you want a number I'd say at least 1/3 of the people opposed to illegal immigration are in some percentage opposed because of their racial biases. Perhaps more. -
I think that's way to high. I think it's what the DNC would like people to believeHillsboroDuck said:
There's far more racists in Trump's base than CNN's. CNN's base has people with plenty of other issues.SFGbob said:
I'm taking in every word you're saying. I'm interested. Trump puts out this Ad to appeal to his racist base. A certain percentage of the people opposed to illegal immigration are racist but you can't say what that percentage might be. CNN plays this Ad to appeal to their base, who I assume is not racist. Yes, you didn't say this but you're big on inferences so I just inferred that. If I'm wrong and you believe that both CNN and Trump's bases are filled with racists I apologize.HillsboroDuck said:
I've answered like ten of your questions in this thread and all you do is ask another stupider one. It's clear you're not interested in what I have to say. I'll take my cue to stop answering.SFGbob said:
Of course you're just giving me your opinion, that's fine, we don't have to agree. But you have no idea what the percentage of people who oppose illegal immigration that are racists. Any people who support illegal immigration that might be racist? Do these people really "fear" immigration or are they just opposed to illegal immigration?HillsboroDuck said:
I already gave you a graph of my take on this. There's obviously no way to objectively measure it so you can agree or disagree with my opinion all you want, I'm fine with it.SFGbob said:
But why would he need that Ad? Wouldn't opposing illegal immigration be enough of a motivation for these "racists?" Any idea what percentage of the people who oppose illegal immigration are racists?HillsboroDuck said:Trump isn't trying to win anybody's votes here, he's just trying to ensure the votes that are already in his corner show up at the poles. It's motivation, not debate.
This is why I said the caravan is a huge boon for the GOP. The timing is perfect. I seriously "lol" at all the idiots on my feed who think Soros is financing this thing. It's way more beneficial timing for the right than the left.
As for your first question, I'll try and explain it one more. The racists are motivated. The video is a tool for them to share with their less/non racist frens who also fear immigration to motivate them to vote also.
I gave you a graph, if you want a number I'd say at least 1/3 of the people opposed to illegal immigration are in some percentage opposed because of their racial biases. Perhaps more. -
If you really need an explanation as to why trump's ad is racist, then really it's pointless for me to even try. It's like trying to explain color to somebody that is blind since birth.SFGbob said:If you listen to CNN or MSNBC you'd think that Trump had just re-made Birth of a Nation. Passion came here yesterday and claimed the Ad was racist but then ran away when asked to explain why.
Liberals believe that if they just use their magic words the immediately "win" the argument. Neo-Con, Koch brothers, Haliburton, homophobe and racist.
So tell us, why is this Ad racist?
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/31/trump_web_ad_targets_criminal_illegal_immigrants_who_else_would_democrats_let_in.html
Previously I wasted my time going to great lengths to explain why it was racist for trump to say the federal judge of Mexican heritage could not be a neutral arbiter in a case involving trump because trump wants to build a wall. Saying that somebody cannot be fair because of their race is patently racist. But of course, none of trump's racist supporters agreed.
So what is the point of explaining how trump is trying to ignite fear and hatred of immigrants and minorities by using one horrific example (and fueling hatred of Democrats by falsely saying that Democrats are to blame for his crimes). It's why George H.W. Bush distanced himself from the "Willie Horton" ad, because he knew the ad was created to stoke white fears of black people. It was advancing a stereotype.
By the way, the Clinton Administration kicked out the illegal immigrant featured in the ad, and the Bush administration let him back in. Just clearing up another trump lie.
But again, it's pointless explaining this to you because you're a racist...and you don't even know it. Again, the blind person.
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You also have to realize it isn't just whites opposed to illegals
