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Washington state ends ‘racially biased’ death penalty. U mad, Hondo?

CrawfishCrawfish Member Posts: 734
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OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — Washington’s Supreme Court unanimously struck down the state’s death penalty Thursday as arbitrary and racially biased, making it the 20th state to do away with capital punishment.

Execution was already extremely rare in Washington, with five prisoners put to death in recent decades and a governor-imposed moratorium blocking its use since 2014.

But the court’s opinion eliminated it entirely, converted the sentences for the state’s eight death row inmates to life in prison without release, and furthered a trend away from capital punishment in the U.S.


https://www.apnews.com/e06f6693bfb645da95053e22fae8fd83
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    GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,481
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    You're heart has groan hard @collegedoog
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    I'm indifferent to the death penalty. HTH
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    CrawfishCrawfish Member Posts: 734
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    edited October 2018
    2001400ex said:

    I'm indifferent to the death penalty. HTH

    How do you call yourself a compassionate conservative?
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Between the known cases of wrongful executions of innocent people and the fact that the death penalty ends up costing more than a life sentence, I’d say it’s about time.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    Can you link to some of those "known cases?"

    Btw, I love how death penalty opponents who do everything in their power to to gum up the legal process and then complain about the cost of enforcing the death penalty.


    How about a compromise, when identity isn't an issue, when we know with 100% certainty that we've got the right guy, would you agree to have that person executed immediately after their conviction?

    Why is Polly Klaas' killer still on death row?
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    SFGbob said:

    Can you link to some of those "known cases?"

    Btw, I love how death penalty opponents who do everything in their power to to gum up the legal process and then complain about the cost of enforcing the death penalty.


    How about a compromise, when identity isn't an issue, when we know with 100% certainty that we've got the right guy, would you agree to have that person executed immediately after their conviction?

    Why is Polly Klaas' killer still on death row?

    Begging for links again.

    The appeals process is now an anti-death penalty conspiracy? God, you are a gold mine today.

    Why should anyone be executed without 100% certainty? That’s the fucking point, slow mo.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,559
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    Between the known cases of wrongful executions of innocent people and the fact that the death penalty ends up costing more than a life sentence, I’d say it’s about time.

    I'm glad to see you are in favor of credible proof again

    Welcome back
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    HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
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    SFGbob said:

    Can you link to some of those "known cases?"

    Btw, I love how death penalty opponents who do everything in their power to to gum up the legal process and then complain about the cost of enforcing the death penalty.


    How about a compromise, when identity isn't an issue, when we know with 100% certainty that we've got the right guy, would you agree to have that person executed immediately after their conviction?

    Why is Polly Klaas' killer still on death row?

    There are absolutely known cases where DNA evidence exonerated the executed.

    I don't disagree with your point about the costs though. I'm generally more against the death penalty than for, but would support it in cases like you've laid out.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Between the known cases of wrongful executions of innocent people and the fact that the death penalty ends up costing more than a life sentence, I’d say it’s about time.

    I'm glad to see you are in favor of credible proof again

    Welcome back
    I’m more conservative than so called conservatives. Nothing’s changed with me.
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,221
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    SoFuckingGaybob is actually going to pretend he needs a fucking link to document an innocent person being wrongly executed.

    Very Hondoesque.

    Fuck off, Bob.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    SFGbob said:

    Can you link to some of those "known cases?"

    Btw, I love how death penalty opponents who do everything in their power to to gum up the legal process and then complain about the cost of enforcing the death penalty.


    How about a compromise, when identity isn't an issue, when we know with 100% certainty that we've got the right guy, would you agree to have that person executed immediately after their conviction?

    Why is Polly Klaas' killer still on death row?

    There are absolutely known cases where DNA evidence exonerated the executed.

    I don't disagree with your point about the costs though. I'm generally more against the death penalty than for, but would support it in cases like you've laid out.
    I'm not denying it, I'd just like to know which of these "known cases" you're referring to.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    dflea said:

    SoFuckingGaybob is actually going to pretend he needs a fucking link to document an innocent person being wrongly executed.

    Very Hondoesque.

    Fuck off, Bob.

    Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with me. I actually would like to see which "known case" he is referring to.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,559
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    Between the known cases of wrongful executions of innocent people and the fact that the death penalty ends up costing more than a life sentence, I’d say it’s about time.

    I'm glad to see you are in favor of credible proof again

    Welcome back
    I’m more conservative than so called conservatives. Nothing’s changed with me.
    "lol"
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,221
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    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    SoFuckingGaybob is actually going to pretend he needs a fucking link to document an innocent person being wrongly executed.

    Very Hondoesque.

    Fuck off, Bob.

    Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with me. I actually would like to see which "known case" he is referring to.
    All of them, you fucking dolt.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    edited October 2018
    I was a law clerk on a death penalty case. So LISTEN! (Hi @BearsWiin )

    The background here is the state's proportionality statute, which mandates that the court review each capital case, compare it to prior cases and consider factors such as aggravating circumstances, and conclude, one way or the other, whether the state is disproportionately leveling the death penalty on some groups over others. These statutes exist entirely because of the south, where the death penalty really has been disproportionately leveled against blacks. The statistics are there, and the problem has been that in some parts of the country, a black guy doing what Mitchell Rupe did would get the chair and a white guy doing what Wesley Allen Dodd did would get life w/o parole. That's literally how that statute is applied: "what the white guy did was way worse than what the black guy did, and the black guy death and the white guy didn't."

    A lot of people thought the Rupe case (remember the guy who said he was too fat to be hanged in violation of the 8th amendment) was the end of proportionality review in WA. 'All Rupe did' was shoot some bank tellers in @RaceBannon 's hometown. Compare/contrast with Dodd, who raped and tortured (including vivisection) Lee Isley over two days before hanging him in a closet. The idea behind Rupe being, if a white guy got death for a run-of-the-mill capital crime, there's no problem.

    In Washington, there really has been no problem with disproportionality, at least insofar as the prosecutors decision to seek it is implicated. The jury thing is another matter I suppose.

    Essentially we have a statute modeled after a Georgia statute forcing the WSC to do something here it hasn't really needed to do. In GA, they need to keep doing it.

    I'll have to read the case to find out how they cooked that answer up here. It really was a no brainer in the souf. I remember seeing those statistics and comparisons of aggravating circumstances and penalty imposed, and it was pretty clear.

    PS: it was this experience that kept me from wanting to prosecute. Combing through the details of the case and the prior cases haunted me for years. Especially the Dodd case. The details of what he did was excruciating to wade through.
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    CrawfishCrawfish Member Posts: 734
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    edited October 2018
    When I made this thread, I just wanted to needle Hondo and not turn this into a full blown intellectual discussion. hth.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Crawfish said:

    When I made this thread, I just wanted to needle Hondo and not turn this into a full blown intellectual discussion. hth.

    I killed it on post 3. Maybe you should PM @IrishDawg22
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    CrawfishCrawfish Member Posts: 734
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    2001400ex said:

    Crawfish said:

    When I made this thread, I just wanted to needle Hondo and not turn this into a full blown intellectual discussion. hth.

    I killed it on post 3. Maybe you should PM @IrishDawg22
    What's your deal?
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Crawfish said:

    2001400ex said:

    Crawfish said:

    When I made this thread, I just wanted to needle Hondo and not turn this into a full blown intellectual discussion. hth.

    I killed it on post 3. Maybe you should PM @IrishDawg22
    What's your deal?
    Vanilla only allows so many characters. Want me to type it all out in like 15 posts?
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    CrawfishCrawfish Member Posts: 734
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    2001400ex said:

    Crawfish said:

    2001400ex said:

    Crawfish said:

    When I made this thread, I just wanted to needle Hondo and not turn this into a full blown intellectual discussion. hth.

    I killed it on post 3. Maybe you should PM @IrishDawg22
    What's your deal?
    Vanilla only allows so many characters. Want me to type it all out in like 15 posts?
    No thank you.
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