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Collins and Manchin plan to vote YES
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Not my fault I'm well educated, have a big throbber and like porn.creepycoug said:
I like you better when you stick to debauchery. That's your sweet spot (not like that).PurpleThrobber said:
If you actually read the book, Uncle Tom DIDN'T do what the massa said and that's what got him killed. He was almost Christ-like.creepycoug said:
If you said it because you thought it as against my interests as a Mexican, no, not racist.RaceBannon said:If you supported Trump's wall as we like to call it and I said that you can't because you're Mexican that's racist. If I say you can't because we can't afford it or the other reasons people give me as a white man it isn't racist
Anything judged on the basis of race is racist.
If you said it because you mean to limit what I think and do because I'm somehow less important than other people who are smart enough to be free to think as they like, then sure, that's racist.
The latter is pretty uncommon if we're being honest. The tone of Uncle Tom, usually, is "Fuck dude. You're really on the wrong team." And, the actual Uncle Toms, from which the term is derived, were on the wrong fucking team.
Today, that term has lost its meaning a bit. So, today, telling a black guy he shouldn't be conservative is of course very different than telling a house slave that he shouldn't side with the plantation boss.
But though it has lost the purity of application from the time of its origin, it is hardly racist.
It may not be good, but it's not racist.
OK -I kinda lied - I didn't read the book but vividly remember the Classics Illustrated comic version from when I was a kid.
The characterization has been severely morphed over the years.
But you do see the point, right?
Tom got whacked for refusing to beat the other slaves and didn't rat out the ones who escaped.
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I think this discussion really highlights the problem of the double-standards that are propagating like rabbits in our society today. I'm supposed to treat non-whites like I would whites, and I think I do that pretty well, because I'm normally not associating with anyone because of their immutable characteristics, but because of common interests. I think that's true of most people, btw.
But the partisans in the Left send the message that the world is very different if you're black, minority, women, etc., etc., implying skin color or gender as a causative factor in everything, when it clearly isn't. When a kid misbehaves, is it BECAUSE of his skin color? Or does that not have Jack shit to do with it? I believe the latter. Conversely, many libs, black & white, will jump forward with excuses any time some black kid beats somebody or steals their shit with something along the lines of "society has failed that kid" or "it's harder being black" or "blacks are poor, and poor people have to steal to survive" etc. Yes, people actually still say that shit, even about delinquents living in half million dollar houses around town. I actually believe these double-standards liberals commonly embrace enhance stereotyping and harm race relations, relations between the sexes, etc. What I'm hearing a lot of times is "they can't help it, because they're black/women/minorities," etc. And what the FUCK message is that sending? That some groups are doomed by their gender, race, or any other immutable characteristic? Jesus Christ! That's about as racist, sexist and xenophobic as can be, and liberals do it all the fucking time. Proudly. -
The bottom line is what I've laid it out to be. Just because a liberal white person takes a black person to task for (1) their political ideology or (2) their performance does not make them racist.
The strawman's asshole just got fucked. I didn't say that a white liberal simply taking a black person to task for the political ideology made them a racist. For such a well educated guy you sure love to fuck a lot of strawman ass.
What I said was calling someone an "Uncle Tom" or an "Oreo" or a "sell-out" because you disagree with their politics and because you don't think blacks should hold certain political views lest they render themselves "inauthentic" and not "real" black people makes you a racist.
And your claim about people calling Conservative blacks "Uncle Tom" as a way to just say they aren't on my team would be fucking laughable if the statement hadn't been made by such a smart and well educated person such as yourself. -
Creep we said the same thing on the wall believe it or not. Almost. The argument against the wall has nothing to do with person making or receiving the argument.
A Mexican American is not hurt by the wall because he is MA. But he can have many arguments against it which we all have heard
Saying you need to be against it because you are MA is racist
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Showing Condi with big lips etc is no different from call Blacks monkeys. It's not political it's racistcreepycoug said:
Same answer.RaceBannon said:
And why did the liberal Americans, we'll leave the Palis out of this, feel they could be so blatantly racist to Condi? Because of her political views not matching the preconceived notion of how Blacks should think or actcreepycoug said:
That's racism. That's different.RaceBannon said:Just on the wrong team
Politics are dirty; nobody is clean here.
But if the idea is rooted in, "great, you're with them," I might call it short-sighted, but I wouldn't call it racist.
If, on the other hand, I meant in the sense that she isn't smart enough to think for herself, which no clear thinking person would ever say about Condi, then yes, racism.
I don't think most people who took her to task were being racist. They were being political. Those are not the same.
Let's put it this way: Bob's intentional use of stereotypical terminology and assumption of the worst from every conceivable angle in the Trayvon Martin thread is a helluva lot more racist than me taking Thomas to task having his heart broken at being rejected by the establishment.
I'm sorry man. My feet are taped to the pedals on this one.
It's very hard (hard) for people on the right to be so touchy about the 'racism' label and then call liberals racist for criticizing team choice by a black or brown person. Not saying the latter is right; don't twist. Just not necessarily, or even usually, racist.
Oliphant is an American liberal icon
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I think racism is overused and inappropriately used, perhaps, when tribalism would more properly describe certain forms of group behavior.
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The tone of Uncle Tom, usually, is "Fuck dude. You're really on the wrong team."
What a load of horseshit. The mere fact that someone thinks that there is only one "team" that blacks should be on shows how fucking stupid your interpretation of the word is. Uncle Tom, the way it is used today is intended to be an insult letting that person know that they think and or believe and or act in ways that the other person doesn't think blacks should.
Uncle Tom, sell-out, and Oreo are all used to shame the Conservative black person and let them know they are thinking and or behaving in ways that other liberals don't think they should be. -
What "team" should blacks be on Coug?
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I really need a beer right now. And after that, some BBQ. From a black owned and operated BBQ joint. Because everyone knows black BBQ>>all other BBQ imposters - in the NW, at least.
I guess I'm racist about my BBQ. But I'm sure @purplethrobber would agree, "It's Goddamn Delicious!" -
Seriously, how is calling someone an "Uncle Tom" or an "Oreo" or a "sell-out" any different than calling some white person a "wigger" or a "n***er lover?"
