Cost is no object: Scotch or Bourbon?

Pitchfork51

Scotch

YellowSnow said:

ThomasFremont said:

The ONLY reason not to choose scotch is the insane price. If that barrier gets removed, I’m going to pound town.

Think about it this way: "cheap" single malts are aged 10- 12 years. For cheap bourbon it's 4- 6 typically some some like Eagle Rare being 10 year statements. Elijah Craig used to be 12 year old but they've since back off that (running out of stock of spirit that has been aged that long). You just don't see many bourbons that are more than 12 years old.

That's the wrong way to think about it.

Due to the climate and the fact that bourbon is in New casks vs scotch being in used ones the aging process is totally different.

A 12 year scotch is more comparable to like a 6 year bourbon

They don't make many +12 years because most would be gross.

YellowSnow

Scotch

Pitchfork51 said:

YellowSnow said:

ThomasFremont said:

The ONLY reason not to choose scotch is the insane price. If that barrier gets removed, I’m going to pound town.

Think about it this way: "cheap" single malts are aged 10- 12 years. For cheap bourbon it's 4- 6 typically some some like Eagle Rare being 10 year statements. Elijah Craig used to be 12 year old but they've since back off that (running out of stock of spirit that has been aged that long). You just don't see many bourbons that are more than 12 years old.

That's the wrong way to think about it.

Due to the climate and the fact that bourbon is in New casks vs scotch being in used ones the aging process is totally different.

A 12 year scotch is more comparable to like a 6 year bourbon

They don't make many +12 years because most would be gross.

I fully grasp the difference in the physics/chemistry of how bourbon ages differently in a barrel house in KY vs Scotch being in a cooler climate. But I'd be curious to hear what the loss pet year due to evaporation is at a typical Scotch distillery as opposed to Bourbon. Also the above doesn't explain why the most sought after bourbon in the world- i.e. Pappy - is aged for 15 to 20 years. Wouldn't it taste like overly oaked crap because of this and yet it does not?

greenblood

Scotch

YellowSnow said:

Pitchfork51 said:

YellowSnow said:

ThomasFremont said:

The ONLY reason not to choose scotch is the insane price. If that barrier gets removed, I’m going to pound town.

Think about it this way: "cheap" single malts are aged 10- 12 years. For cheap bourbon it's 4- 6 typically some some like Eagle Rare being 10 year statements. Elijah Craig used to be 12 year old but they've since back off that (running out of stock of spirit that has been aged that long). You just don't see many bourbons that are more than 12 years old.

That's the wrong way to think about it.

Due to the climate and the fact that bourbon is in New casks vs scotch being in used ones the aging process is totally different.

A 12 year scotch is more comparable to like a 6 year bourbon

They don't make many +12 years because most would be gross.

I fully grasp the difference in the physics/chemistry of how bourbon ages differently in a barrel house in KY vs Scotch being in a cooler climate. But I'd be curious to hear what the loss pet year due to evaporation is at a typical Scotch distillery as opposed to Bourbon. Also the above doesn't explain why the most sought after bourbon in the world- i.e. Pappy - is aged for 15 to 20 years. Wouldn't it taste like overly oaked crap because of this and yet it does not?

I could be wrong but when I took a tour at Glendronach I was told, you lose about 2% per year as the scotch sits.

UW_Doog_Bot

Scotch

greenblood said:

Let’s get this out of the way now. Please tell me you guys drink it neat. I can’t stand fuckers that ruin it by drinking it on the rocks.

I'll put an ice ball in the cheap shit but at most a couple of drops in anything good/decent. If it's actually good, I'm just drinking it.

greenblood

Scotch

UW_Doog_Bot said:

greenblood said:

Let’s get this out of the way now. Please tell me you guys drink it neat. I can’t stand fuckers that ruin it by drinking it on the rocks.

I'll put an ice ball in the cheap shit but at most a couple of drops in anything good/decent. If it's actually good, I'm just drinking it.

It's preference, but I feel an ice ball stills makes cheap scotch taste even worse.

UW_Doog_Bot

Scotch

Also, I will say, Japanese whiskey significantly missing from this poll. I think at this point I would take that over bourbon but not over scotch. I can drink Suntory Toki like it's kool-aid and that's not even a very expensive bottle. Some of the other stuff I've been exploring is right up there with a great scotch.

YellowSnow

Scotch

greenblood said:

YellowSnow said:

Pitchfork51 said:

YellowSnow said:

ThomasFremont said:

The ONLY reason not to choose scotch is the insane price. If that barrier gets removed, I’m going to pound town.

Think about it this way: "cheap" single malts are aged 10- 12 years. For cheap bourbon it's 4- 6 typically some some like Eagle Rare being 10 year statements. Elijah Craig used to be 12 year old but they've since back off that (running out of stock of spirit that has been aged that long). You just don't see many bourbons that are more than 12 years old.

That's the wrong way to think about it.

Due to the climate and the fact that bourbon is in New casks vs scotch being in used ones the aging process is totally different.

A 12 year scotch is more comparable to like a 6 year bourbon

They don't make many +12 years because most would be gross.

I fully grasp the difference in the physics/chemistry of how bourbon ages differently in a barrel house in KY vs Scotch being in a cooler climate. But I'd be curious to hear what the loss pet year due to evaporation is at a typical Scotch distillery as opposed to Bourbon. Also the above doesn't explain why the most sought after bourbon in the world- i.e. Pappy - is aged for 15 to 20 years. Wouldn't it taste like overly oaked crap because of this and yet it does not?

I could be wrong but when I took a tour at Glendronach I was told, you lose about 2% per year as the scotch sits.

Ok so that means they lose about 1.09 gallons per year for Scotch. Bourbon loss is around 3% or 1.59 gallons per year. So Scotch is down 12 gallons after 12 years and bourbon about 9.5 after 6 years. Maff is hard.

YellowSnow

Scotch

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Also, I will say, Japanese whiskey significantly missing from this poll. I think at this point I would take that over bourbon but not over scotch. I can drink Suntory Toki like it's kool-aid and that's not even a very expensive bottle. Some of the other stuff I've been exploring is right up there with a great scotch.

I count it as Scotch albeit most of it is blended. Toki is the shit for $30 Japanese whisky. For mor relaxing tims, make it Suntory tim.

minion_doog

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Also, I will say, Japanese whiskey significantly missing from this poll. I think at this point I would take that over bourbon but not over scotch. I can drink Suntory Toki like it's kool-aid and that's not even a very expensive bottle. Some of the other stuff I've been exploring is right up there with a great scotch.

I have a bottle of Hibiki 12, I like it quite a bit

greenblood

Scotch

I can honestly say I've never had Japanese Whiskey