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The black crime stats are the biggest contributor to the suspicion blacks arouse in the police. And yes that isn't fair, and it sucks if you're a law abiding black guy.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it -
Don't toss in common sense Hondo might have a stroke.SFGbob said:
The black crime stats are the biggest contributor to the suspicion blacks arouse in the police. And yes that isn't fair, and it sucks if you're a law abiding black guy.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it -
Yeah, that's not what I was talking about. This is where people like you lose some credibility. Even my most strident "racism is over" colleagues know that the past has some meaning. The effigies of which I speak were openly racist, with "monkey" written on them and purposefully stylized to invoke the image of a southern lynching. We can debate about how relevant racism is today for the average black person; but to suggest that the special version of anti-Obama sentiment that was ostensibly fueled by racial motives is just par for the course of being president is to be disingenuous and, if I were in a less charitable mood, fs.SFGbob said:
You don't get to hire Al Sharpton and put him in charge of your get out the vote effort and then cry when people rightfully accuse you of fanning the flames of racial tension. There are photos of Trump being hung in effigies. I'm sure that most every President since the 1960s has been given the same treatment.creepycoug said:
This is true, but the push toward communism and racial division is pure rhetoric. It's their fault because they propped up a shit for a candidate who cannot hide her disdain for ordinary people with ordinary intellects, and who got sucked in to the social issues side of her party's constituency. Her husband in his prime would have been very hard to beat following the Bush term, because he's actually a centrist and, on some issues, is downright conservative. Remember, for all of his education and polish, Bill is an Arkansas boy, born and raised in the souf.Sledog said:
I don't apologize for Trump because his election is entirely the lefts fault. Their constant push toward communism, racial division and the destruction of America is what caused the phenomenon called Trump. You thought you could steal an election. Now you think you can pull off a coup. You commie shits did this to yourselves. Now it's time for you to reap what you have sewn!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
No Sledog?CirrhosisDawg said:I’d recommend a “morning show” linked thread: Race &Friends.
Race, GayBob. WestLinn and HoustonHuskyFS can apologize for trump every morning!
Imagine the internet traffic. It would be like shooting white trash in a barrel. If only Roger Ailes were still alive. He’d have thought if it first.
I'm out
FAYCS!
Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem. Kreist there were effigies of him being lynched all over social media during his term. His Princeton-educated wife couldn't do anything right in the eyes of many, and is compared negatively to a woman who doesn't speak and who used to pose for pictures with her clothes off. Family values right? I know we're all a little gun shy about the R word around here, but to deny that it was still a big problem here at the time of his election is fs. Sure people use and abuse it like few other things; but racism in American, or the worsening of it, is not Obama's fault. That is straight up fs and anybody who believes it is fs. I personally know a lot of people who have issues with black people, and I'm a fucking lawyer in Seattle.
More than any other prez in my lifetime (by a long shot), Obama has engendered among people I encounter (including a lot of family) a combination of (1) emotionally-driven hatred and (2) for reasons they can't really articulate, other than made-up or flatly wrong shit. Don't twist; I'm not a big Obama guy or defender. I hate tax and spend politicians, and he is one. But anyone who can't admit that his mere election and his name were enuff to re-open old wounds and bring to the surface old biases is just fs. I am related to people who manage to get up every day and be an adult who believe the most crazy shit about that guy, but never had much to say about the guy who got us into Iraq on shit information and really stirred up the bottom in the middle east .... smfh.
Trump was elected in large measure because he is the pure visual and substantive opposite of Obama and because the democrats now just fucking suck, particularly at elections. The one area where the dems are particularly vulnerable is the gay community, who they can't really ignore or betray (the numbers are too material), but that community tends to suck them into social issues that most people don't care about or aren't ready to deal with. Like Trans Fucking Gender. The republican crazy aunt is the zany religious right, but they're easier to manage because religious people are not as threatening on the surface and thus don't readily offend much of the rest of the base.
Obama and Holder both did many things to fan racial tension in this country. We can go over them if you like. Also the MSM that acted as his Praetorian guard by going after nearly every critic of Obama by calling them racists contributed to the racial division.
That you tried to make that point only points to your desperation. When people have a strong platform from which to operate, they normally don't have to try so hard and can at least concede the obvious, even when it doesn't suit their agenda.
People being PC is like water is whet. It's been around for a long time, and you can't hang that on Obama.
And, yes you do. Getting elected and using someone to get votes is big-boy politics. If that hurts your sensibilities then you'll have to take up knitting Sally. What matters is what he did in office. Yes, Obama reverted to his community organizer tack, to an extent, under pressure that he wasn't doing enuff about what many perceived (and still perceive) as legitimate issues facing the black community. It didn't help that there were some really shitty examples of racially-related shit that happened on his watch ... shit that has happened a million times.
Look, I don't agree with everything Holder did, and I'm not a big fan of Obama's slide to the left on some of these issues. But he's black and he believes what many believe, and that is that there are lingering issues with black American, however you think they were and are caused. I believe it, too, and outside of state judicial elections, which are very different, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life. Hell, a Birch society member & card carrying libertarian (& at times right wing) undergrad pal and long-time KC prosecutor will tell you the same, and he is about as stridently opposed to racial politics and things like affirmative action and special treatment for anybody as a person can be. But given his job, he sees it up close, and has more than once said to me privately that he'd absolutely hate to be black and especially male on the other end of a white jury. Believe it or don't believe it. IDRGAF, just putting it out there. As for me, there's a lot of shit I think the black community and its leaders could do better and differently, but I don't blame them one bit for occasionally getting pissed off. The numbers are squarely on their side almost across the board.
I'll say it again. Blaming Obama for the jacked-up racial tension in this country is like blaming @RaceBannon for the Exodus just because he was there. He may have had an opinion about Pharaoh, but the Hebrews wanted to LEAVE, w/ or w/o @RaceBannon fanning the flames, which I'm told he did.
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I don't disagree with pretty much any of that. I think McConnell is every bit the slime ball as the currently liberal mob assembling to blow up Cavenaugh, but that's the swamp.RaceBannon said:As I was copying and pasting I came across a stat that about 10% of Obama voters voted for Trump
Not sure what that means other than politics probably matter more than race to white people. Or most white people when it comes to voting
Obama was seen as an outsider and he ran against Hills and McCain, about as establishment as you can get for a fake maverick.
Agree on Romney being a Mormon hurting him but he had his shot to win and fucking whiffed. When he let Candy bitch slap him with a lie he was toast
Trump got votes from people who are tired of seeing the GOP nominate pussies who won't fight back. As we see once again with Cavenaugh, the democrats have no shame and will do anything to win.
Trump may be a bit of an over correction on that but I'm noticing more GOP types finding their balls dropping after watching Trump survive the onslaught
A reasonable, super smart, business-oriented, level-headed guy like Romney with ( I think ) a legitimate moral compass would make a great leader in the WH. But as you say, his ship sailed, and winners win. -
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected. -
He wasn't operating in a vacuum any more than Trump is. Everybody gets there on somebody's back; you abandon them at your own peril. Like Trump. I have never believed he is at all in touch with the religious right. He just didn't grow up that way. He was a man-about-town in Manhattan most of his entire life. But he knows they're important to his base, and doesn't forget them. Obama was no different. He had 'inconvenient' friends.Southerndawg said:
It started with his "clinging to their guns, religion and antipathy to those who are not like them" description of folks he can't relate to, continued with his AG, Holder, letting New Black Panthers off the hook for voter intimidation and then progressed through his "beer summit", that resulted from his racially biased knee jerk reaction. Obama was a divider from the get go, except for those impressed by mad teleprompter skills and left wing idealogy. It's a damn shame. IMO he could have been an outstanding and unifying president but he chose another path.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice -
Nice white washing of Sharpton. "Big Boy politics." I wonder if you'd be so blase if a Republican used David Duke to get out his voters. I don't recall these "racist" effigies of Obama. I did a quick search and I found one. Didn't find any with monkey on them. And I never said or even hinted at your bullshit about "racism is over." I don't believe that and I didn't say it. It's a nation of 300 plus million people. You're always going to be able to find a few nuts. Presidents get hung in effigy. And given all of the bogus hate crimes that the left is involved in, unless you've got some proof that these racist effigies of Obama were put up by racist whites and not by liberals I'm not immediately going to accept it as fact.creepycoug said:
Yeah, that's not what I was talking about. This is where people like you lose some credibility. Even my most strident "racism is over" colleagues know that the past has some meaning. The effigies of which I speak were openly racist, with "monkey" written on them and purposefully stylized to invoke the image of a southern lynching. We can debate about how relevant racism is today for the average black person; but to suggest that the special version of anti-Obama sentiment that was ostensibly fueled by racial motives is just par for the course of being president is to be disingenuous and, if I were in a less charitable mood, fs.SFGbob said:
You don't get to hire Al Sharpton and put him in charge of your get out the vote effort and then cry when people rightfully accuse you of fanning the flames of racial tension. There are photos of Trump being hung in effigies. I'm sure that most every President since the 1960s has been given the same treatment.creepycoug said:
This is true, but the push toward communism and racial division is pure rhetoric. It's their fault because they propped up a shit for a candidate who cannot hide her disdain for ordinary people with ordinary intellects, and who got sucked in to the social issues side of her party's constituency. Her husband in his prime would have been very hard to beat following the Bush term, because he's actually a centrist and, on some issues, is downright conservative. Remember, for all of his education and polish, Bill is an Arkansas boy, born and raised in the souf.Sledog said:
I don't apologize for Trump because his election is entirely the lefts fault. Their constant push toward communism, racial division and the destruction of America is what caused the phenomenon called Trump. You thought you could steal an election. Now you think you can pull off a coup. You commie shits did this to yourselves. Now it's time for you to reap what you have sewn!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
No Sledog?CirrhosisDawg said:I’d recommend a “morning show” linked thread: Race &Friends.
Race, GayBob. WestLinn and HoustonHuskyFS can apologize for trump every morning!
Imagine the internet traffic. It would be like shooting white trash in a barrel. If only Roger Ailes were still alive. He’d have thought if it first.
I'm out
FAYCS!
Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem. Kreist there were effigies of him being lynched all over social media during his term. His Princeton-educated wife couldn't do anything right in the eyes of many, and is compared negatively to a woman who doesn't speak and who used to pose for pictures with her clothes off. Family values right? I know we're all a little gun shy about the R word around here, but to deny that it was still a big problem here at the time of his election is fs. Sure people use and abuse it like few other things; but racism in American, or the worsening of it, is not Obama's fault. That is straight up fs and anybody who believes it is fs. I personally know a lot of people who have issues with black people, and I'm a fucking lawyer in Seattle.
More than any other prez in my lifetime (by a long shot), Obama has engendered among people I encounter (including a lot of family) a combination of (1) emotionally-driven hatred and (2) for reasons they can't really articulate, other than made-up or flatly wrong shit. Don't twist; I'm not a big Obama guy or defender. I hate tax and spend politicians, and he is one. But anyone who can't admit that his mere election and his name were enuff to re-open old wounds and bring to the surface old biases is just fs. I am related to people who manage to get up every day and be an adult who believe the most crazy shit about that guy, but never had much to say about the guy who got us into Iraq on shit information and really stirred up the bottom in the middle east .... smfh.
Trump was elected in large measure because he is the pure visual and substantive opposite of Obama and because the democrats now just fucking suck, particularly at elections. The one area where the dems are particularly vulnerable is the gay community, who they can't really ignore or betray (the numbers are too material), but that community tends to suck them into social issues that most people don't care about or aren't ready to deal with. Like Trans Fucking Gender. The republican crazy aunt is the zany religious right, but they're easier to manage because religious people are not as threatening on the surface and thus don't readily offend much of the rest of the base.
Obama and Holder both did many things to fan racial tension in this country. We can go over them if you like. Also the MSM that acted as his Praetorian guard by going after nearly every critic of Obama by calling them racists contributed to the racial division.
That you tried to make that point only points to your desperation. When people have a strong platform from which to operate, they normally don't have to try so hard and can at least concede the obvious, even when it doesn't suit their agenda.
People being PC is like water is whet. It's been around for a long time, and you can't hang that on Obama.
And, yes you do. Getting elected and using someone to get votes is big-boy politics. If that hurts your sensibilities then you'll have to take up knitting Sally. What matters is what he did in office. Yes, Obama reverted to his community organizer tack, to an extent, under pressure that he wasn't doing enuff about what many perceived (and still perceive) as legitimate issues facing the black community. It didn't help that there were some really shitty examples of racially-related shit that happened on his watch ... shit that has happened a million times.
Look, I don't agree with everything Holder did, and I'm not a big fan of Obama's slide to the left on some of these issues. But he's black and he believes what many believe, and that is that there are lingering issues with black American, however you think they were and are caused. I believe it, too, and outside of state judicial elections, which are very different, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life. Hell, a Birch society member & card carrying libertarian (& at times right wing) undergrad pal and long-time KC prosecutor will tell you the same, and he is about as stridently opposed to racial politics and things like affirmative action and special treatment for anybody as a person can be. But given his job, he sees it up close, and has more than once said to me privately that he'd absolutely hate to be black and especially male on the other end of a white jury. Believe it or don't believe it. IDRGAF, just putting it out there. As for me, there's a lot of shit I think the black community and its leaders could do better and differently, but I don't blame them one bit for occasionally getting pissed off. The numbers are squarely on their side almost across the board.
I'll say it again. Blaming Obama for the jacked-up racial tension in this country is like blaming @RaceBannon for the Exodus just because he was there. He may have had an opinion about Pharaoh, but the Hebrews wanted to LEAVE, w/ or w/o @RaceBannon fanning the flames, which I'm told he did.
You can say it as many times as you like but I know that allowing the racist "hands up don't shoot lie" to be spread far and wide by members of your own party when you knew it was a lie did serious damage to race relations in this country. -
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant. -
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant. -
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark. -
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark. -
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark. -
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark. -
I just love how the left thinks cops are sitting at briefing talking "lets go shoot some minorities" Such a crock of shit. Tired of the left against America. Creepy's just hoping to pick up some money from the blood and guts.
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Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark. -
I'll let my local BLM rep know your recommendation.
Nobody ever said blacks were the 'only ones' being impacted by it. For a guy who is taking my comments one by one and trying to go Perry Mason, you are fucking it up. But blacks are disproportionately affected by it; if most people acknowledge that the judicial process is harder on them than on white people, it should not be at all surprising that law enforcement is too. I mean, are you really saying that police brutality is an evenly distributed problem?
Believe what you want.
Nor did I say it mattered what I think about Zimmerman. But not surprised at all that you cite his rights to follow an unarmed kid guilty of being black and 'looking suspicious'. This almost substantiates the point. You weren't even there, nobody knows shit other than Z, armed, following T, and Z got the bad end of ass kicking, and you're here now standing up for the nosy busy body fucker who should have just let the authorities handle the nothing sandwich he was 'observing'. The evidence was all over the place about the degree of the struggle other than the fact that Zimmerman is obviously a huge punk who can't fight, not a single smudge of a Martin print was on Zimmie's gun, etc. etc., and all we have is a kid walking home from 7-11 with candy in his pocket getting into an altercation he likely didn't start and that this abortion of a man with a gun likely instigated. Great. -
Oh piss off. Nobody says or thinks shit like that. It pretty much undermines your blind allegiance to law enforcement that you can't write a more cogent response.Sledog said:I just love how the left thinks cops are sitting at briefing talking "lets go shoot some minorities" Such a crock of shit. Tired of the left against America. Creepy's just hoping to pick up some money from the blood and guts.
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Nowhere in my post is any kind of apology for Sharpton being anything less than a charlatan. I'd have him over for dinner b4 David Duke any day though. I would never equate those two as analogs.
Ok, you can't find them. I guess that settles. Kreist. I know of nobody who doesn't know this. Congratulations.
Didn't say you said racism is over. Read. more. carefully. It's just not there.
Not surprised you'd resort to "liberal conspiracy" to hide. Do you honestly struggle to believe that there are people who would do such a thing? Jesus man. Lots of room for debate here; not on that point.
Not my party, but nice try. Citing 'hands up' by a few bananas representing a very understandably frustrated sector of society as the undoing of race relations in the US, and then deny the most obvious instances of racism, is laffable and flags where your bias lies. That is just an entirely unbalanced position. Maybe it's reactionary. Maybe it's something else. DRGAF either way. -
And? He was walking home from 7-11 with candy and soda. Doesn't matter that he wasn't an Eagle Scout. Or does it?SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
You have a 17-year old unarmed and skinny kid walking alone and being followed by a grown man with a gun. Grown man likely tried to detain him or something for looking suspicious, kid probably has some edge to him, told him to GTFO or whatever, grown make gets his ass kicked, didn't count on that happening, and instead of tucking tail he shot him. Great outcome. But he was well within his rights.
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No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark. -
If Martin were white we wouldn’t have heard about it. I think we all know that.creepycoug said:
No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
“If Martin were white he wouldn’t have been shot” yeah..bullshit. -
That's probably right. But I wonder: do you think if Martin White and Zimmerman were black there's a different outcome in the court case? Legitimate question.MikeDamone said:
If Martin were white we wouldn’t have heard about it. I think we all know that.creepycoug said:
No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
“If Martin were white he wouldn’t have been shot” yeah..bullshit. -
For the creep. Why is white and Joooo hatred better than black and Joooo hatred? Don't hurt yourself.
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Everything else being equal, I think the outcome would be the same. There is a case in Florida now with that scenario. So we will find out.creepycoug said:
That's probably right. But I wonder: do you think if Martin White and Zimmerman were black there's a different outcome in the court case? Legitimate question.MikeDamone said:
If Martin were white we wouldn’t have heard about it. I think we all know that.creepycoug said:
No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
“If Martin were white he wouldn’t have been shot” yeah..bullshit. -
No.creepycoug said:
That's probably right. But I wonder: do you think if Martin White and Zimmerman were black there's a different outcome in the court case? Legitimate question.MikeDamone said:
If Martin were white we wouldn’t have heard about it. I think we all know that.creepycoug said:
No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
“If Martin were white he wouldn’t have been shot” yeah..bullshit.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/ -
Right. But tge case is Florida now is a stand your ground defense so it’s more apples to apples. That said, people getting murdered outside of their race isn’t very common at all. Blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites for the most part.USMChawk said:
No.creepycoug said:
That's probably right. But I wonder: do you think if Martin White and Zimmerman were black there's a different outcome in the court case? Legitimate question.MikeDamone said:
If Martin were white we wouldn’t have heard about it. I think we all know that.creepycoug said:
No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
“If Martin were white he wouldn’t have been shot” yeah..bullshit.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/ -
Yeah you just ran interference for the fact that Obama hired the piece of shit to lead his get out the vote effort by you didn't "apologize" for Sharpton and since you appear to be one of those precise language Kunt's quote where I said you apologized Coug?creepycoug said:Nowhere in my post is any kind of apology for Sharpton being anything less than a charlatan. I'd have him over for dinner b4 David Duke any day though. I would never equate those two as analogs.
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Zimmerman wasn't a cop and there are stories nearly every day where Hispanics shoot unarmed blacks and vice versa and it's never more than a one day local story. And just like Zimmerman, as soon as a Hispanic cop shoots a black guy they officially become "white."creepycoug said:
No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him?
Gosh, if only there had been a trial and the presentation of evidence, and the questioning of eyewitnesses. I guess we'll just be force to "assume" what happened.
I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals.
Yeah I went through the "trouble" because some dipshit in this thread claimed Trademark was walking home from school. There's was a reason Trademark was in Sanford. He did't live there, and was only there because he'd been kicked out of school 3 times already that year, twice for fighting. -
It would have never gone to trial. The police, just as they did in the Zimmerman case would have rightly concluded that it was self-defense and no charges would have ever been filed. The only reason Zimmerman was charged was because of the political pressure and the lying media.creepycoug said:
That's probably right. But I wonder: do you think if Martin White and Zimmerman were black there's a different outcome in the court case? Legitimate question.MikeDamone said:
If Martin were white we wouldn’t have heard about it. I think we all know that.creepycoug said:
No it would not have. Both of the Miami race riots were touched off by Cuban cops shooting black men, one in liberty city and one in over town. And how do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Or are you just assuming that? I wonder why? You normally seem so fair and balanced. Could it not have just as easily been the case that Zimmerman tried to strong arm the kid, and the kid turned out to be a much better fighter than he might have surmised based on just looking at him? I also noticed that you went through the trouble of pointing out that Martin was kicked out of his moms house because that never happens with 17-year-old boys unless they are career criminals. Why didn't you also point out that Zimmerman's history before and after the incident Indicate pretty strongly that he was is and always will be a giant douche bag with very very very questionable judgment for a grown man?SFGbob said:
Trademark should have thought twice before attacking the White Hispanic. This would have never been anything more than a local crime story if George was named Jorge ZapataCirrhosisDawg said:
I had no doubt you’d say that. OJ and I are having belly laughs at you.SFGbob said:
Gosh, if only your feelings held sway here and not the law. I'd say that George did get his ass kicked but he got off a pretty good punch.CirrhosisDawg said:
George Zimmerman: an obese unskilled uneducated adult who got his ass kicked by a 17 year old kid, and then murdered the child with a concealed weapon in desperation and futility. Nothing could be more trump.SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
“If Martin were white he wouldn’t have been shot” yeah..bullshit. -
No, it matters that he attacked and beat Zimmerman. Zimmerman then defended himself. Case closed. Likely tried to detain him? You're not "likely" pulling claims out of your ass, you're doing it.creepycoug said:
And? He was walking home from 7-11 with candy and soda. Doesn't matter that he wasn't an Eagle Scout. Or does it?SFGbob said:
Walking home from school. Ha. The only reason he was in Sanford was because he'd been kicked out of school for the 3rd time that year and his mother kicked him out of the house so he was staying with this father.CirrhosisDawg said:
The Trayvon Martin incident perfectly epitomizes the moral depravity of trumpism. A 17 year old kid who weighed 158 pounds walking home from school beat the shit out of a 30-year old fat fuck following him. The cowardly fat fuck (is there any other kind) murdered the kid because he couldn’t defend himself. Trumpism in a microcosm.SFGbob said:
First of all who said this was a "made up" issue? I think police brutality and being too trigger happy is a very real issue. I just don't think that blacks are the only ones being impacted by it. I don't see it as a race issue, I see it as a police issue. And it doesn't matter what you think about Zimmerman. He was entirely within his rights and the law to follow Trayvon and didn't have to sit there and take a beat down.creepycoug said:
Yes, this. This is what I mean when I say that black leadership should be more focused on root cause, which, candidly, implicates everyone on one level or another. That would be more constructive.RaceBannon said:
The kind of stuff he did was ineffective while being offensive. I think the record shows most of the country willing to give him a shot when he was elected. Much more so than Trump got.SFGbob said:
His actions after the Mike Brown shooting where his DOJ knew that "hands up don't shoot" story was a lie and yet he still allowed Congressional Rats pull stunts like this without every calling them out and telling the public that the story wasn't true definitely fanned the flames especially toward the police. Don't forget that in both the Trayvon Martin case and the Mike Brown the Obama Admin openly sided with the perps and not the innocent victims. His administration sent people to both Brown and Martin's funeral and also help to organize protests in both instances.RaceBannon said:Of all the shit people can hang on Obama, in my view one of the most disingenuous is the racial division shit. What he did to fan the flames of racial tension in this country is to get elected in the first place. Country wasn't ready for a black guy in office unless he had walked, talked and danced like a hard-core right winger, and even then, it would have been a problem
Bull shit
How did the fuck do you think he got elected? 90% of 13% of the population? No
Fanning the flames is too strong - more like whining like a little bitch about a country that elected him twice
Creepy is right in that Obama didn't address serious issues mainly because his economic policies sucked for everyone so they sucked more for Blacks.
Rather than the hands up stuff why not a serious looks at incarceration and if there is anything we can do to close that gap and stop creating career criminals at the age of 14. Once a kid is in the system its hard to get them out. Do we treat Black teenagers tougher than whites?
Those are actual serious issues that cross racial lines. I was talking with a couple of old white guys about Kapernick and I said I don't think the data supports what he says on cop killings but I do think a white kid has a better chance to get away with something. They thought for a minute and said - that's right it is easier being white when it comes to the police.
We don't want to lose our privilege though we want everyone to have it
I'm not going to re-litigate the Trayvon Martin case here, though I still think Zimmerman is a little banana busy body and caused something that wouldn't have happened w/o his "intervention." Mike Brown was not a good case for the BLM cause in my view. But for every one of those, there are 50 like South Side Flats and Eric Garner, the latter of which was particularly egregious.
My point is that those who claim there's not 'there' there are full of shit, and this isn't a fabricated 'made up' issue. I don't read you, Race, to be making that point. I wonder about some of our friends though. Stand to be corrected.
BLM should have focused on cases like Walter Scott not Trayvon and the Gentle Giant.
Not quite sure how Trump has anything to do with Trademark.
You have a 17-year old unarmed and skinny kid walking alone and being followed by a grown man with a gun. Grown man likely tried to detain him or something for looking suspicious, kid probably has some edge to him, told him to GTFO or whatever, grown make gets his ass kicked, didn't count on that happening, and instead of tucking tail he shot him. Great outcome. But he was well within his rights.
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