NCAA athletic scholarships going to foreign nationals
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Can we stop with trying to act like I'm an ultra nationalist? I'm pretty sure I'm on record saying I want the best and the brightest here, regardless of origin. If the best athletes want to immigrate and get scholarships I'm all for it. Can't say that I feel the same about paying a Chinese party members kid to go to UW on scholarship only for them to go home and coach the Chinese national team.creepycoug said:
Foreigners!!!!!! Alert @oregonblitzkrieg and @Sledog !YellowSnow said:12 foreign nationals on the women's row boat squad. https://gohuskies.com/roster.aspx?roster=144&path=wrow
Keep in mind that at UW those scholarships are not coming from tax payer dollars. The athletic department is completely self funded.
@creepycoug will prolly want to weigh in in this thread.
We should be protecting mediocre American athletes and reserving those spots for them. Not a bunch of border freaks. -
Just stfu.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Can we stop with trying to act like I'm an ultra nationalist? I'm pretty sure I'm on record saying I want the best and the brightest here, regardless of origin. If the best athletes want to immigrate and get scholarships I'm all for it. Can't say that I feel the same about paying a Chinese party members kid to go to UW on scholarship only for them to go home and coach the Chinese national team.creepycoug said:
Foreigners!!!!!! Alert @oregonblitzkrieg and @Sledog !YellowSnow said:12 foreign nationals on the women's row boat squad. https://gohuskies.com/roster.aspx?roster=144&path=wrow
Keep in mind that at UW those scholarships are not coming from tax payer dollars. The athletic department is completely self funded.
@creepycoug will prolly want to weigh in in this thread.
We should be protecting mediocre American athletes and reserving those spots for them. Not a bunch of border freaks. -
Fuck off and DIAFF first.CirrhosisDawg said:
Just stfu.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Can we stop with trying to act like I'm an ultra nationalist? I'm pretty sure I'm on record saying I want the best and the brightest here, regardless of origin. If the best athletes want to immigrate and get scholarships I'm all for it. Can't say that I feel the same about paying a Chinese party members kid to go to UW on scholarship only for them to go home and coach the Chinese national team.creepycoug said:
Foreigners!!!!!! Alert @oregonblitzkrieg and @Sledog !YellowSnow said:12 foreign nationals on the women's row boat squad. https://gohuskies.com/roster.aspx?roster=144&path=wrow
Keep in mind that at UW those scholarships are not coming from tax payer dollars. The athletic department is completely self funded.
@creepycoug will prolly want to weigh in in this thread.
We should be protecting mediocre American athletes and reserving those spots for them. Not a bunch of border freaks. -
Rowers only come from non shithole countries for the most part, so I think we're pretty much in the clear. We do have one Greek which used to be great but is now pretty much a shithole.creepycoug said:
Foreigners!!!!!! Alert @oregonblitzkrieg and @Sledog !YellowSnow said:12 foreign nationals on the women's row boat squad. https://gohuskies.com/roster.aspx?roster=144&path=wrow
Keep in mind that at UW those scholarships are not coming from tax payer dollars. The athletic department is completely self funded.
@creepycoug will prolly want to weigh in in this thread.
We should be protecting mediocre American athletes and reserving those spots for them. Not a bunch of border freaks. -
YEAH....FUCK THOSE FOREIGN ATHLETES!!!!
Wait...what?!?!
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Ok, so if you look at the list, all of the sports that have high percentages of foreigners, are also most rich white people ones. So it's not as though a lot of disadvantaged yoots are being denied opportunities for a college education that they might be able to afford otherwise.
What we can't deduce from this articles is the following:
1 - What percentage of the 17,000 are on partial or full rides?
2- And of that number, what percentage are at public universities where athletic scholarships are not self funded by football and hoops revenue? -
'Murica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YellowSnow said:Ok, so if you look at the list, all of the sports that have high percentages of foreigners, are also most rich white people ones. So it's not as though a lot of disadvantaged yoots are being denied opportunities for a college education that they might be able to afford otherwise.
What we can't deduce from this articles is the following:
1 - What percentage of the 17,000 are on partial or full rides?
2- And of that number, what percentage are at public universities where athletic scholarships are not self funded by football and hoops revenue? -
Unless they sneak in then fuck 'em ship them home.creepycoug said:
Foreigners!!!!!! Alert @oregonblitzkrieg and @Sledog !YellowSnow said:12 foreign nationals on the women's row boat squad. https://gohuskies.com/roster.aspx?roster=144&path=wrow
Keep in mind that at UW those scholarships are not coming from tax payer dollars. The athletic department is completely self funded.
@creepycoug will prolly want to weigh in in this thread.
We should be protecting mediocre American athletes and reserving those spots for them. Not a bunch of border freaks. -
If they’re going to the best athletes, than it isn’t an issue in my book. While these Sports don’t generate revenue, they’re still playin to win.UW_Doog_Bot said:Been watching the Pac12 network lately and since they don't have any real commercials they have "player" profiles. I can't help but notice that a disproportionate number of the Olympic or non-revenue sport athletes in these profiles are foreign nationals. This begged the question for me. Should public institution(excludes private schools like USC) athletic scholarships(for non-revenue sports) be going to foreign nationals?
Article exploring the numbers
While it seems like overall the numbers are low, 17,000 total in the US, it seems like it's hard to justify the fact that we are subsidizing those students educations simply to play sports that themselves require subsidy. Even worse, these scholarships aren't going to US athletes that would otherwise receive them. What reasons do we have for supplying foreign nationals with public US educations at the expense of our own student athletes?
College BBall recruits all over the world. If somehow Samoa or Hawaii werent a US Territory, you’d see the same thing with Football.
A lot to criticize University about these days, but this isn’t on my list. -
So I've had pretty up close and personal experience with this subject over the years ( @whlinder too). My row boat era at UW in the 90's was really the last time the team was made up almost entirely of Americans, plus a few Cannucks on the side. In the late 90's Steve @Gladstone was on his second stint at Cal and started recruiting foreign national elite rowers and offering full rides (paid for from private endowments). They proceeded to win 4 NTs in a row from 99- 02 and left UW in the dust.
The only way for the other big time rowing schools like Harvard and UW to keep pace was to start recruiting internationally as well. So if you look at when we won 5 NT's in a row from 2011 - 15, the Varsity 8 was typically 50 to 60% foreign rowers. This is all fine and well in the short term, but the concern has been is where are those foreign guys going to be in 20, 30 or 40 years tim? You see, rowing at UDub has always relied heavily on alumni donations over the years to fund a fair amount of the program's budget. They have about a $14 million dollar endowment right now which pays for the Men's full ride schollies amongst other things like trip to Henley. So, it's incumbent to the program's long term success that you hopefully have a lot of alumni who end up living in Washington and becoming rich, successful businessmen who will write fat checks some day.
The tide has turned somewhat of late and our boat 2nd place loser boat last year had 6 of 8 rowers being from the US. Yale where @Gladstone corches now by the way is the 2 time defending champs and there boats the past few years are about 80% foreigners.
