2000 Miami Game, QB contrast etc
The contrast between Tuiasosopo and Browning is stark. Tui, as we all know, just knew what to do when. He knew how to play football. He knew when to throw at a receiver and draw an interference penalty. He was a wizard with the option (give or take a few fuckups). It's great watching a quarterback who can play the game. Browning ultimately should be a coach. He knows what he should do, but doesn't have the instinct to come through.
The announcers praised helmet to helmet contact. Now you hear Brock Huard throwing hissy fits about it.
The game was a lot better when there were no fucking goddamn stoppages to review every fucking goddamn call. Yes, there were mistakes, but there are WAY too many fucking stoppages now. A situation like the "challenge flag" in the NFL was better.
Lambo had assembled a damn good team, and he should be given credit. Those were Lambos recruits mostly. The line was awesome. The secondary was good, and it is strange to think that Williams and Vonture (who were big contributors) are already gone.
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@puppylove_sugarsteel loves you.ApostleofGrief said:I watched the first half last night on youtube.
The contrast between Tuiasosopo and Browning is stark. Tui, as we all know, just knew what to do when. He knew how to play football. He knew when to throw at a receiver and draw an interference penalty. He was a wizard with the option (give or take a few fuckups). It's great watching a quarterback who can play the game. Browning ultimately should be a coach. He knows what he should do, but doesn't have the instinct to come through.
The announcers praised helmet to helmet contact. Now you hear Brock Huard throwing hissy fits about it.
The game was a lot better when there were no fucking goddamn stoppages to review every fucking goddamn call. Yes, there were mistakes, but there are WAY too many fucking stoppages now. A situation like the "challenge flag" in the NFL was better.
Lambo had assembled a damn good team, and he should be given credit. Those were Lambos recruits mostly. The line was awesome. The secondary was good, and it is strange to think that Williams and Vonture (who were big contributors) are already gone. -
We would have lost that game to Miami by a minimum of 14 pts in an AIDS ridden neutral venue east of the Rockies.
P.S. Fuck of @TierbsHsotBoobs . I am right on this. -
If we played Miami at home ten times, we lose 8 or 9.YellowSnow said:We would have lost that game to Miami by a minimum of 14 pts in an AIDS ridden neutral venue east of the Rockies.
P.S. Fuck of @TierbsHsotBoobs . I am right on this. -
Downvoted for Lambo creditApostleofGrief said:I watched the first half last night on youtube.
The contrast between Tuiasosopo and Browning is stark. Tui, as we all know, just knew what to do when. He knew how to play football. He knew when to throw at a receiver and draw an interference penalty. He was a wizard with the option (give or take a few fuckups). It's great watching a quarterback who can play the game. Browning ultimately should be a coach. He knows what he should do, but doesn't have the instinct to come through.
The announcers praised helmet to helmet contact. Now you hear Brock Huard throwing hissy fits about it.
The game was a lot better when there were no fucking goddamn stoppages to review every fucking goddamn call. Yes, there were mistakes, but there are WAY too many fucking stoppages now. A situation like the "challenge flag" in the NFL was better.
Lambo had assembled a damn good team, and he should be given credit. Those were Lambos recruits mostly. The line was awesome. The secondary was good, and it is strange to think that Williams and Vonture (who were big contributors) are already gone. -
I was shocked and awed when we won that game. But we did and now @creepycoug has to really respeck us from here to eternity. 2-1 sugar canes.RoadDawg55 said:
I we played Miami at home ten times, we lose 8 or 9.YellowSnow said:We would have lost that game to Miami by a minimum of 14 pts in an AIDS ridden neutral venue east of the Rockies.
P.S. Fuck of @TierbsHsotBoobs . I am right on this. -
Lambo had lost the team … Slick was the fresh voice that the team needed. But giving Lambo too much credit is crap because Lambo's recruiting lived off Don James for the most part.
That Miami team was as loaded of a team as I've ever seen. It was a perfect storm of events that got us a win that day ranging from Butch Davis making idiotic comments to it being Ken Dorsey's first road start and having the deer in headlights look going for the balance of the first half. I remember the crowd getting in early for the game … the student section was almost full 90 minutes before game time. There was a feeling of willing the team to victory in the air.
We were good enough to play with them in large part because of Tui. But that's a game that as @RoadDawg55 said we're looking at winning 1 to 2 times out of 10. -
I didn't say Lambo would have won if he was coaching. I just said he got those recruits in there. I also didn't say we'd win x out of y attempts or all that crap. The crowd was a huge factor. I think I can hear myself in the noise.
If you have an hour or so, watch the first half. What impresses me still about Tui was that I never thought he had a great arm, and he wasn't a gifted runner. What he DID do so well was that he simply DID THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. That's what you do in football to win. It sounds simple that is the recipe for success. If a guy was open he got him the ball. If there was open field he'd run it or get it to somebody who could run it. If the situation called for ball control he wouldn't fumble. He wouldn't get sacked with no time on the clock.
In other words what our ? present QB doesn't do....
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Who cares? He had plenty of time to demonstrate over and over that he couldn't win consistently. Rick took those players to heights Lambo never would have. Rick's willingness to abandon his offensive system and run the option with Tui is the sole reason that team played so far above it's heads, and was flexibility, creativity and humility Lambo never once demonstrated.ApostleofGrief said:I didn't say Lambo would have won if he was coaching. I just said he got those recruits in there. I also didn't say we'd win x out of y attempts or all that crap. The crowd was a huge factor. I think I can hear myself in the noise.
If you have an hour or so, watch the first half. What impresses me still about Tui was that I never thought he had a great arm, and he wasn't a gifted runner. What he DID do so well was that he simply DID THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. That's what you do in football to win. It sounds simple that is the recipe for success. If a guy was open he got him the ball. If there was open field he'd run it or get it to somebody who could run it. If the situation called for ball control he wouldn't fumble. He wouldn't get sacked with no time on the clock.
In other words what our ? present QB doesn't do....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cV6UPnG7Ow
That was RN's team. Lambo deserves no credit for it. -
the main reason I made the post was not to talk about Lambo but show the quarterback contrast and the refreshing way the game was played before constant stoppages, pre era stadiums built for advertising and secondarily football, and helmet collision banning.The whole show was better then. I was OK with Lambo but when he called the fake punt in the last bowl I had enough.HillsboroDuck said:
Who cares? He had plenty of time to demonstrate over and over that he couldn't win consistently. Rick took those players to heights Lambo never would have. Rick's willingness to abandon his offensive system and run the option with Tui is the sole reason that team played so far above it's heads, and was flexibility, creativity and humility Lambo never once demonstrated.ApostleofGrief said:I didn't say Lambo would have won if he was coaching. I just said he got those recruits in there. I also didn't say we'd win x out of y attempts or all that crap. The crowd was a huge factor. I think I can hear myself in the noise.
If you have an hour or so, watch the first half. What impresses me still about Tui was that I never thought he had a great arm, and he wasn't a gifted runner. What he DID do so well was that he simply DID THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. That's what you do in football to win. It sounds simple that is the recipe for success. If a guy was open he got him the ball. If there was open field he'd run it or get it to somebody who could run it. If the situation called for ball control he wouldn't fumble. He wouldn't get sacked with no time on the clock.
In other words what our ? present QB doesn't do....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cV6UPnG7Ow
That was RN's team. Lambo deserves no credit for it. -
Miami didn't lose, they ran out of time - creeep
The second half was white knuckle time - me -
Browning has some real physical limitations with his arm … to me, it's beyond talking about at this point because it is what it is.
You go back to the final drive against Auburn and you get a real mixed bag:
3rd down throw to Opera Singer was really good by Browning displaying patience and allowing him to clear the LB level into open space. High caliber play there.
Next 3rd down he scrambled and picked up a 3rd and long with his feet including running through a tackle instead of avoiding the hit. Again, this is another big time pickup that was made at the time of the game.
First down throw to Fuller over the middle delivered high. A definite missed opportunity given that the blitz was picked up (Hilbers did a great job on this play of getting a double block) and the throw was there.
Second down call into the run … not a terrible decision given how Auburn lined up on the play. However, they slanted all into the run and out executed us on that play. Not sure how much of that to really put on Browning versus tipping the cap to Auburn on that play.
Third down sack after extending the play. I know that the perception is that Browning shit himself on that play but there was nobody open … it was an absolute coverage sack. I guess if you want to be critical there it could have been that Browning could have potentially looked to tuck it and get up the field there but to me that's splitting some hairs. That play felt more like tipping the cap to Auburn's secondary on that play versus putting fault on Browning.
Fourth down sack was noise influenced … as shown after the fact Watty never got off the snap and the play was FUBAR before it ever got going. The argument for Browning to just throw the ball up I'm not entirely sure it was realistic as guys weren't even out of their initial breaks by the time the initial pressure came.
I'm as critical of Browning as anybody but I also make sure to call them as I see them. He largely played well against Auburn and the real critical play in the entire final drive to really get on him for was the throw that he overshot to Fuller. The rest is just being critical of him because he's an easy target. -
Lambo was an abortion of a coach. Please never mention his name again. Fuck!ApostleofGrief said:
the main reason I made the post was not to talk about Lambo but show the quarterback contrast and the refreshing way the game was played before constant stoppages, pre era stadiums built for advertising and secondarily football, and helmet collision banning.The whole show was better then. I was OK with Lambo but when he called the fake punt in the last bowl I had enough.HillsboroDuck said:
Who cares? He had plenty of time to demonstrate over and over that he couldn't win consistently. Rick took those players to heights Lambo never would have. Rick's willingness to abandon his offensive system and run the option with Tui is the sole reason that team played so far above it's heads, and was flexibility, creativity and humility Lambo never once demonstrated.ApostleofGrief said:I didn't say Lambo would have won if he was coaching. I just said he got those recruits in there. I also didn't say we'd win x out of y attempts or all that crap. The crowd was a huge factor. I think I can hear myself in the noise.
If you have an hour or so, watch the first half. What impresses me still about Tui was that I never thought he had a great arm, and he wasn't a gifted runner. What he DID do so well was that he simply DID THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. That's what you do in football to win. It sounds simple that is the recipe for success. If a guy was open he got him the ball. If there was open field he'd run it or get it to somebody who could run it. If the situation called for ball control he wouldn't fumble. He wouldn't get sacked with no time on the clock.
In other words what our ? present QB doesn't do....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cV6UPnG7Ow
That was RN's team. Lambo deserves no credit for it.
Tui was a winner but he was also prone to really shitty turnovers. The good far outweighed the bad though. His decision making was not the best. He wasn’t super fast but he was a great runner.
Pretty much disagree with everything you said.
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Spot on top to bottom. Tui as great decision maker blew my mind. He had some of the greatest wtf moments. He was also tuff as nails, and competitive as hell. Best leader I ever saw rather easily, the team had max respect for him. He was also the best final drive qb I ever saw.AtomicDawg said:
Lambo was an abortion of a coach. Please never mention his name again. Fuck!ApostleofGrief said:
the main reason I made the post was not to talk about Lambo but show the quarterback contrast and the refreshing way the game was played before constant stoppages, pre era stadiums built for advertising and secondarily football, and helmet collision banning.The whole show was better then. I was OK with Lambo but when he called the fake punt in the last bowl I had enough.HillsboroDuck said:
Who cares? He had plenty of time to demonstrate over and over that he couldn't win consistently. Rick took those players to heights Lambo never would have. Rick's willingness to abandon his offensive system and run the option with Tui is the sole reason that team played so far above it's heads, and was flexibility, creativity and humility Lambo never once demonstrated.ApostleofGrief said:I didn't say Lambo would have won if he was coaching. I just said he got those recruits in there. I also didn't say we'd win x out of y attempts or all that crap. The crowd was a huge factor. I think I can hear myself in the noise.
If you have an hour or so, watch the first half. What impresses me still about Tui was that I never thought he had a great arm, and he wasn't a gifted runner. What he DID do so well was that he simply DID THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. That's what you do in football to win. It sounds simple that is the recipe for success. If a guy was open he got him the ball. If there was open field he'd run it or get it to somebody who could run it. If the situation called for ball control he wouldn't fumble. He wouldn't get sacked with no time on the clock.
In other words what our ? present QB doesn't do....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cV6UPnG7Ow
That was RN's team. Lambo deserves no credit for it.
Tui was a winner but he was also prone to really shitty turnovers. The good far outweighed the bad though. His decision making was not the best. He wasn’t super fast but he was a great runner.
Pretty much disagree with everything you said.
He did plenty of stupid stuff but dude was a warrior and a winner.
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Tui was a favorite for sure, and he singlehandedly won the Stanford game after the big meltdown. But I just can't call him a great QB. And if you remember, the Miami game was made much closer due to a retarded Red Zone turnover. He almost singlehandedly lost the Oregon game when he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. And the ridiculous pitch 30 yards down the field in the Rose Bowl when we (?) were trying to run out the clock would get Browning's house burned down.
But I still would always take him if I could. With that team, he was perfect. The guy had it. But he wasn't a great QB. He couldn't make all the throws. But he did make enough of the plays.
It's like calling David Lee Roth a great lead singer. Guy can't sing for shit, but he's a hell of a front man. -
Stevens was the only receiving threat Tui had. People forget that Todd Elstrom was Tui's #1 option.
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I remain convinced that if you put Tui on the 2016 and 17 squads we lose 1 Pac game at most over those 2 years. Think about the ripple down to the rest of the team from having a warrior as a QB and that kind of leadership.RoadDawg55 said:Stevens was the only receiving threat Tui had. People forget that Todd Elstrom was Tui's #1 option.
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Tui natties with at least one of the last two UW teams.YellowSnow said:
I remain convinced that if you put Tui on the 2016 and 17 squads we lose 1 Pac game at most over those 2 years. Think about the ripple down to the rest of the team from having a warrior as a QB and that kind of leadership.RoadDawg55 said:Stevens was the only receiving threat Tui had. People forget that Todd Elstrom was Tui's #1 option.
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Doubt it, but maybe. We definitely would have had a better shot.HillsboroDuck said:
Tui natties with at least one of the last two UW teams.YellowSnow said:
I remain convinced that if you put Tui on the 2016 and 17 squads we lose 1 Pac game at most over those 2 years. Think about the ripple down to the rest of the team from having a warrior as a QB and that kind of leadership.RoadDawg55 said:Stevens was the only receiving threat Tui had. People forget that Todd Elstrom was Tui's #1 option.
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People have really forgotten how good Larry Triplett was. Never see his name mentioned here.
Vontoure may have been the most confident player in the stadium that day. He harassed Dorsey on a few confer blitzes, covered well against some damn good receivers and was strong against the run. One of the most talented corners Washington has ever had. I hate what happened to him. Fucking horrible.
And Tui was Tui. Winners win.
Working against Miami: a hobbled Santana Moss, a loud stadium, a nervous and rattled Ken Dorsey and a Hc who recruited like few others but wasn't known to be a great game-day tactician. Should have run more to get Dorsey settled, and took way too long to get Portis in the game. Guarantee you Pete makes that adjustment earlier.
That all said, the 2000 crew was Husky tuff on D, had a solid Oline, a star TE and an all-timer at QB. Not the biggest upset in the anals of cfb history all things considered.
People forget some of my favorite Huskies all tim were on that 2000 team, and I was one of two members (Race being the other) of the Rick fan club. I thought we? were too whinny about the beat down the next year (Hedges and Rick both), unusually so even for Washington, which as a program has a history of whining, but the 2000 team was likable. They just won.
No debate here. Tui was the shit. The kind you can't coach @RaceBannon !!! -
Tui was a guy you went to war with. A player you want when someone has to do something to give you a chance to win.AtomicDawg said:
Lambo was an abortion of a coach. Please never mention his name again. Fuck!ApostleofGrief said:
the main reason I made the post was not to talk about Lambo but show the quarterback contrast and the refreshing way the game was played before constant stoppages, pre era stadiums built for advertising and secondarily football, and helmet collision banning.The whole show was better then. I was OK with Lambo but when he called the fake punt in the last bowl I had enough.HillsboroDuck said:
Who cares? He had plenty of time to demonstrate over and over that he couldn't win consistently. Rick took those players to heights Lambo never would have. Rick's willingness to abandon his offensive system and run the option with Tui is the sole reason that team played so far above it's heads, and was flexibility, creativity and humility Lambo never once demonstrated.ApostleofGrief said:I didn't say Lambo would have won if he was coaching. I just said he got those recruits in there. I also didn't say we'd win x out of y attempts or all that crap. The crowd was a huge factor. I think I can hear myself in the noise.
If you have an hour or so, watch the first half. What impresses me still about Tui was that I never thought he had a great arm, and he wasn't a gifted runner. What he DID do so well was that he simply DID THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. That's what you do in football to win. It sounds simple that is the recipe for success. If a guy was open he got him the ball. If there was open field he'd run it or get it to somebody who could run it. If the situation called for ball control he wouldn't fumble. He wouldn't get sacked with no time on the clock.
In other words what our ? present QB doesn't do....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cV6UPnG7Ow
That was RN's team. Lambo deserves no credit for it.
Tui was a winner but he was also prone to really shitty turnovers. The good far outweighed the bad though. His decision making was not the best. He wasn’t super fast but he was a great runner.
Pretty much disagree with everything you said.
If you have all the pieces in place and just need a caretaker at QB who won't lose for you, then agreed, Tui isn't your guy. But if you need special play from your QB to beat someone, he is.
Yeah he made some stupid throws. Everyone knew he would have a hard time in the NFL playing in the pocket and reading defenses. Not his deal. But his instincts as a runner were unreal. And of course he was so fucking tuff that it had to have made everyone around him better.
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BUT BROWING IS BREAKING ALL THE STAT RECORDS!!!! DO YOU EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL?!!?!?!?!
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We?creepycoug said:People have really forgotten how good Larry Triplett was. Never see his name mentioned here.
Vontoure may have been the most confident player in the stadium that day. He harassed Dorsey on a few confer blitzes, covered well against some damn good receivers and was strong against the run. One of the most talented corners Washington has ever had. I hate what happened to him. Fucking horrible.
And Tui was Tui. Winners win.
Working against Miami: a hobbled Santana Moss, a loud stadium, a nervous and rattled Ken Dorsey and a Hc who recruited like few others but wasn't known to be a great game-day tactician. Should have run more to get Dorsey settled, and took way too long to get Portis in the game. Guarantee you Pete makes that adjustment earlier.
That all said, the 2000 crew was Husky tuff on D, had a solid Oline, a star TE and an all-timer at QB. Not the biggest upset in the anals of cfb history all things considered.
People forget some of my favorite Huskies all tim were on that 2000 team, and I was one of two members (Race being the other) of the Rick fan club. I thought we? were too whinny about the beat down the next year (Hedges and Rick both), unusually so even for Washington, which as a program has a history of whining, but the 2000 team was likable. They just won.
No debate here. Tui was the shit. The kind you can't coach @RaceBannon !!!
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Added the requisite ?YellowSnow said:
We?creepycoug said:People have really forgotten how good Larry Triplett was. Never see his name mentioned here.
Vontoure may have been the most confident player in the stadium that day. He harassed Dorsey on a few confer blitzes, covered well against some damn good receivers and was strong against the run. One of the most talented corners Washington has ever had. I hate what happened to him. Fucking horrible.
And Tui was Tui. Winners win.
Working against Miami: a hobbled Santana Moss, a loud stadium, a nervous and rattled Ken Dorsey and a Hc who recruited like few others but wasn't known to be a great game-day tactician. Should have run more to get Dorsey settled, and took way too long to get Portis in the game. Guarantee you Pete makes that adjustment earlier.
That all said, the 2000 crew was Husky tuff on D, had a solid Oline, a star TE and an all-timer at QB. Not the biggest upset in the anals of cfb history all things considered.
People forget some of my favorite Huskies all tim were on that 2000 team, and I was one of two members (Race being the other) of the Rick fan club. I thought we? were too whinny about the beat down the next year (Hedges and Rick both), unusually so even for Washington, which as a program has a history of whining, but the 2000 team was likable. They just won.
No debate here. Tui was the shit. The kind you can't coach @RaceBannon !!!
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You may have been bullied ourtside Kane Hall but you, Senor, are no Dwag.creepycoug said:
Added the requisite ?YellowSnow said:
We?creepycoug said:People have really forgotten how good Larry Triplett was. Never see his name mentioned here.
Vontoure may have been the most confident player in the stadium that day. He harassed Dorsey on a few confer blitzes, covered well against some damn good receivers and was strong against the run. One of the most talented corners Washington has ever had. I hate what happened to him. Fucking horrible.
And Tui was Tui. Winners win.
Working against Miami: a hobbled Santana Moss, a loud stadium, a nervous and rattled Ken Dorsey and a Hc who recruited like few others but wasn't known to be a great game-day tactician. Should have run more to get Dorsey settled, and took way too long to get Portis in the game. Guarantee you Pete makes that adjustment earlier.
That all said, the 2000 crew was Husky tuff on D, had a solid Oline, a star TE and an all-timer at QB. Not the biggest upset in the anals of cfb history all things considered.
People forget some of my favorite Huskies all tim were on that 2000 team, and I was one of two members (Race being the other) of the Rick fan club. I thought we? were too whinny about the beat down the next year (Hedges and Rick both), unusually so even for Washington, which as a program has a history of whining, but the 2000 team was likable. They just won.
No debate here. Tui was the shit. The kind you can't coach @RaceBannon !!!
Any moar questions? -
I also dooged hard for Rick.creepycoug said:People have really forgotten how good Larry Triplett was. Never see his name mentioned here.
Vontoure may have been the most confident player in the stadium that day. He harassed Dorsey on a few confer blitzes, covered well against some damn good receivers and was strong against the run. One of the most talented corners Washington has ever had. I hate what happened to him. Fucking horrible.
And Tui was Tui. Winners win.
Working against Miami: a hobbled Santana Moss, a loud stadium, a nervous and rattled Ken Dorsey and a Hc who recruited like few others but wasn't known to be a great game-day tactician. Should have run more to get Dorsey settled, and took way too long to get Portis in the game. Guarantee you Pete makes that adjustment earlier.
That all said, the 2000 crew was Husky tuff on D, had a solid Oline, a star TE and an all-timer at QB. Not the biggest upset in the anals of cfb history all things considered.
People forget some of my favorite Huskies all tim were on that 2000 team, and I was one of two members (Race being the other) of the Rick fan club. I thought we? were too whinny about the beat down the next year (Hedges and Rick both), unusually so even for Washington, which as a program has a history of whining, but the 2000 team was likable. They just won.
No debate here. Tui was the shit. The kind you can't coach @RaceBannon !!!
