How much do you pay each year on the Federal level to help the pours?
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That was a good pod- i.e., the rise and fall and rise of Bannon in the Inland Empire.RaceBannon said:
When I was broke, tens of thousands of dollars in debt and facing eviction everything broke my way. I got myself into the mess and Dad got me outcreepycoug said:
It's always smart to cover your bases. Just in case ....RaceBannon said:People forget that you don't actually have to have the federal government take your money by force in order for you to help the poor
I don't do my giving on the street corner to get rewarded by man. I give in secret so my Father in heaven can reward me -
There's some good points here.RaceBannon said:I was not concerned about him raising my taxes because I knew he was lying when he said he wanted to get rid of the Bush tax cut and I was right.
Unlike the idiots here other than you and me I understand that there is a sweet spot on taxation both individual and corporate that stokes the economy and I vote accordingly
We will never tax ourselves to a balanced budget so it isn't even a concern. Neither party will cut spending to get us balanced so that is a pipe dream as well.
The only positive is that I have been hearing about the dangers of the debt for 50 years and yet here we are. As long as we run the world our debt doesn't matter. When we fall the debt will be the least of our concerns anyway
I don't get my economic advice from HBO comedians or burger flippers either
Trump has done a very good job on the economy so far and that only adds to the derangement which is nice.
Some polls have him closing in in 30% approval among Blacks which is pretty much the apocalypse for the democrats
Its my money that I earn with my hard work is my calculus.
Be a good neighbor and give of your income to help others. What you send to DC is flushed down the crapper
I think the risk from Clinton / Obama type dems to raise taxes on the upper income brackets has always been overstated. Yes, they were going to raise them some, but there's a limit to how much the college educated, upper income, donor class dems are willing to pony up to help the pours. Bernie and the DSA are a different story, of course.
Re: the debt, it's obviously true that in the past 50 years, Deficits have not mattered and we have the benefit from borrowing and paying interest in the debt in our own currency (this is YUGE). But I think it's wrong to think that they (deficits) will NEVER matter. At some point the markets will intervene. But at that point we'd be taking the rest of the world down with us.
I'm skeptical that charitable giving alone either to secular or religious organizations alone could ever be enough to help the needy based on our society at present. It did, of course, from 1789 to 1933 but that's a by gone era. The biggest flaw in our current welfare state is that we do a really shitty job of sorting out who truly needs assistance and who is a lazy bum. The disincentives towards work are a major problem.
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The delivery system for aid to the poor is the problem. Its an industry in itself at the government level and in private giving you have to read the fine print to see how much of each dollar gets to someone who needs it. If a charity has 80 cents on the dollar going to administration they are fucking you
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YellowSnow said:
There's some good points here.RaceBannon said:I was not concerned about him raising my taxes because I knew he was lying when he said he wanted to get rid of the Bush tax cut and I was right.
Unlike the idiots here other than you and me I understand that there is a sweet spot on taxation both individual and corporate that stokes the economy and I vote accordingly
We will never tax ourselves to a balanced budget so it isn't even a concern. Neither party will cut spending to get us balanced so that is a pipe dream as well.
The only positive is that I have been hearing about the dangers of the debt for 50 years and yet here we are. As long as we run the world our debt doesn't matter. When we fall the debt will be the least of our concerns anyway
I don't get my economic advice from HBO comedians or burger flippers either
Trump has done a very good job on the economy so far and that only adds to the derangement which is nice.
Some polls have him closing in in 30% approval among Blacks which is pretty much the apocalypse for the democrats
Its my money that I earn with my hard work is my calculus.
Be a good neighbor and give of your income to help others. What you send to DC is flushed down the crapper
I think the risk from Clinton / Obama type dems to raise taxes on the upper income brackets has always been overstated. Yes, they were going to raise them some, but there's a limit to how much the college educated, upper income, donor class dems are willing to pony up to help the pours. Bernie and the DSA are a different story, of course.
Re: the debt, it's obviously true that in the past 50 years, Deficits have not mattered and we have the benefit from borrowing and paying interest in the debt in our own currency (this is YUGE). But I think it's wrong to think that they (deficits) will NEVER matter. At some point the markets will intervene. But at that point we'd be taking the rest of the world down with us.
I'm skeptical that charitable giving alone either to secular or religious organizations alone could ever be enough to help the needy based on our society at present. It did, of course, from 1789 to 1933 but that's a by gone era. The biggest flaw in our current welfare state is that we do a really shitty job of sorting out who truly needs assistance and who is a lazy bum. The disincentives towards work are a major problem.
You mean like the Oregon State income tax Game? -
True, but we forget sometimes all them lazy guvmint jerbs are in effect a way to keep a lot of medium skilled people employed.RaceBannon said:The delivery system for aid to the poor is the problem. Its an industry in itself at the government level and in private giving you have to read the fine print to see how much of each dollar gets to someone who needs it. If a charity has 80 cents on the dollar going to administration they are fucking you
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Huh???pawz said:YellowSnow said:
There's some good points here.RaceBannon said:I was not concerned about him raising my taxes because I knew he was lying when he said he wanted to get rid of the Bush tax cut and I was right.
Unlike the idiots here other than you and me I understand that there is a sweet spot on taxation both individual and corporate that stokes the economy and I vote accordingly
We will never tax ourselves to a balanced budget so it isn't even a concern. Neither party will cut spending to get us balanced so that is a pipe dream as well.
The only positive is that I have been hearing about the dangers of the debt for 50 years and yet here we are. As long as we run the world our debt doesn't matter. When we fall the debt will be the least of our concerns anyway
I don't get my economic advice from HBO comedians or burger flippers either
Trump has done a very good job on the economy so far and that only adds to the derangement which is nice.
Some polls have him closing in in 30% approval among Blacks which is pretty much the apocalypse for the democrats
Its my money that I earn with my hard work is my calculus.
Be a good neighbor and give of your income to help others. What you send to DC is flushed down the crapper
I think the risk from Clinton / Obama type dems to raise taxes on the upper income brackets has always been overstated. Yes, they were going to raise them some, but there's a limit to how much the college educated, upper income, donor class dems are willing to pony up to help the pours. Bernie and the DSA are a different story, of course.
Re: the debt, it's obviously true that in the past 50 years, Deficits have not mattered and we have the benefit from borrowing and paying interest in the debt in our own currency (this is YUGE). But I think it's wrong to think that they (deficits) will NEVER matter. At some point the markets will intervene. But at that point we'd be taking the rest of the world down with us.
I'm skeptical that charitable giving alone either to secular or religious organizations alone could ever be enough to help the needy based on our society at present. It did, of course, from 1789 to 1933 but that's a by gone era. The biggest flaw in our current welfare state is that we do a really shitty job of sorting out who truly needs assistance and who is a lazy bum. The disincentives towards work are a major problem.
You mean like the Oregon State income tax Game? -
Melding a HCH meme with a disincentive to work.salemcoog said:
Huh???pawz said:YellowSnow said:
There's some good points here.RaceBannon said:I was not concerned about him raising my taxes because I knew he was lying when he said he wanted to get rid of the Bush tax cut and I was right.
Unlike the idiots here other than you and me I understand that there is a sweet spot on taxation both individual and corporate that stokes the economy and I vote accordingly
We will never tax ourselves to a balanced budget so it isn't even a concern. Neither party will cut spending to get us balanced so that is a pipe dream as well.
The only positive is that I have been hearing about the dangers of the debt for 50 years and yet here we are. As long as we run the world our debt doesn't matter. When we fall the debt will be the least of our concerns anyway
I don't get my economic advice from HBO comedians or burger flippers either
Trump has done a very good job on the economy so far and that only adds to the derangement which is nice.
Some polls have him closing in in 30% approval among Blacks which is pretty much the apocalypse for the democrats
Its my money that I earn with my hard work is my calculus.
Be a good neighbor and give of your income to help others. What you send to DC is flushed down the crapper
I think the risk from Clinton / Obama type dems to raise taxes on the upper income brackets has always been overstated. Yes, they were going to raise them some, but there's a limit to how much the college educated, upper income, donor class dems are willing to pony up to help the pours. Bernie and the DSA are a different story, of course.
Re: the debt, it's obviously true that in the past 50 years, Deficits have not mattered and we have the benefit from borrowing and paying interest in the debt in our own currency (this is YUGE). But I think it's wrong to think that they (deficits) will NEVER matter. At some point the markets will intervene. But at that point we'd be taking the rest of the world down with us.
I'm skeptical that charitable giving alone either to secular or religious organizations alone could ever be enough to help the needy based on our society at present. It did, of course, from 1789 to 1933 but that's a by gone era. The biggest flaw in our current welfare state is that we do a really shitty job of sorting out who truly needs assistance and who is a lazy bum. The disincentives towards work are a major problem.
You mean like the Oregon State income tax Game?
Clearly that didn't work. -
medium?YellowSnow said:True, but we forget sometimes all them lazy guvmint jerbs are in effect a way to keep a lot of medium skilled people employed.
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ISAFNRCLesGrossman said:
medium?YellowSnow said:True, but we forget sometimes all them lazy guvmint jerbs are in effect a way to keep a lot of medium skilled people employed.
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You sounded really really pour!RaceBannon said:
When I was broke, tens of thousands of dollars in debt and facing eviction everything broke my way. I got myself into the mess and Dad got me outcreepycoug said:
It's always smart to cover your bases. Just in case ....RaceBannon said:People forget that you don't actually have to have the federal government take your money by force in order for you to help the poor
I don't do my giving on the street corner to get rewarded by man. I give in secret so my Father in heaven can reward me
