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Mightier military vis-a-vis the contemporary competition: Imperial Germany or Nazi Germany?

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https://dchhaddendum.libsyn.com/imperial-germany-vs-nazi-germany

Mightier military vis-a-vis the contemporary competition: Imperial Germany or Nazi Germany? 15 votes

WW1 Imperial Germany
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WW2 Nazi Germany
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RaceBannonSwayeThomasFremontgreenbloodGladstoneoregonblitzkriegLebamDawgPitchfork51Doog_de_JourBearsWiinFireCohenUW_Doog_Bot 12 votes
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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    WW1 Imperial Germany
    Carlin lays out a very compelling argument in favor of WW1 Germany...

    1- Imperial Germany had 40 + years to prepare where as Nazi's only had 6 years.

    2- The Generals ran the show for WWI Germany - i.e., no mad man at the helm, and they didn't make stupid decisions based on ideology. Think how much man power and resources were wasted on the Final Solution.

    3- Imperial Germany actually had a navy that was worth a shit, although they didn't use it much.

    4- Imperial Germany actually knocked out Russia, while fighting France and Britain at the same time and remember that France and Britain in WWI were willing to lose and entire generation of their youth to "win" in places like Verdun and the Somme. This, of course, was not the case in WWI were those two powers basically rolled over and died.

    5- WWI was very much in doubt until late in the 4th Quarter and the Germans had a realistic chance to win. Nazi Germany on the other hand had lost the war by half time (i.e., late 1942 - early 1943) and that was before America was really heavy into the fight.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    WW1 Imperial Germany

    The Blitz or 46 defense that Hitler came up with changed modern warfare

    WW1 was a brutal slog with modern killing weapons and Civil War era strategy

    Nazi Germany is Oregon- i.e., revolutionary Offense - but they got worn down and lost in the second half badly. WWI Germany was built for 4 quarters of football.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    Carlin lays out a very compelling argument in favor of WW1 Germany...

    1- Imperial Germany had 40 + years to prepare where as Nazi's only had 6 years.

    2- The Generals ran the show for WWI Germany - i.e., no mad man at the helm, and they didn't make stupid decisions based on ideology. Think how much man power and resources were wasted on the Final Solution.

    3- Imperial Germany actually had a navy that was worth a shit, although they didn't use it much.

    4- Imperial Germany actually knocked out Russia, while fighting France and Britain at the same time and remember that France and Britain in WWI were willing to lose and entire generation of their youth to "win" in places like Verdun and the Somme. This, of course, was not the case in WWI were those two powers basically rolled over and died.

    5- WWI was very much in doubt until late in the 4th Quarter and the Germans had a realistic chance to win. Nazi Germany on the other hand had lost the war by half time (i.e., late 1942 - early 1943) and that was before America was really heavy into the fight.

    Conversely, that was a shit tier WWI Russia with a fucking pansy ass czar at the helm (thanks @Rasputin!) rather than a military mind. Also a Russia that was *this* close to Implosion.gif.

    Hitler's eastern front SOS was much higher.

    Still a chinteresting debate.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,699
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    WW2 Nazi Germany

    The Blitz or 46 defense that Hitler came up with changed modern warfare

    WW1 was a brutal slog with modern killing weapons and Civil War era strategy

    Nazi Germany is Oregon- i.e., revolutionary Offense - but they got worn down and lost in the second half badly. WWI Germany was built for 4 quarters of football.
    They still quit and sold out their country!
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,656
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    WW1 Imperial Germany


    Spikes on helmets. WW1 Krauts win rather easily.


  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    WW1 Imperial Germany

    The Blitz or 46 defense that Hitler came up with changed modern warfare

    WW1 was a brutal slog with modern killing weapons and Civil War era strategy

    Nazi Germany is Oregon- i.e., revolutionary Offense - but they got worn down and lost in the second half badly. WWI Germany was built for 4 quarters of football.
    They still quit and sold out their country!
    Fake news by right wing nut jobs. They were whipped and saved their country from further pain and suffering by throwing in the towel.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,465
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    WW2 Germany and it's not close.

    Who cares if the generals had more say in WW1? Say in what, sending thousands to run to their deaths against trench fortified machine guns?

    Nazi German overextended by a fucking lot. They couldnt be satisfied with annexing France and Poland, they just had to spread themselves too thin and attack Russia. If they had fortified, given themselves time to get their new recruits up to speed, and not helped a fucking stupid Italy blunder along in Greece, America would have had a real problem and might not have been able to beat them.

    It was probably a matter of time before Russia attacked the eastern flank, but a Russian offensive would have been a joke. Wasting away half of your troops in an offensive in Russia, during the winter, was an all-time dumb fuckup.

    Same shit happened to Napolean. Power hungry despots, for some reason, arent happy with conquering the nice parts of Europe. They are compelled to invade Russia for god knows why, lose a shitload of experienced troops, and allow the English to get their shit together.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    dnc said:

    Carlin lays out a very compelling argument in favor of WW1 Germany...

    1- Imperial Germany had 40 + years to prepare where as Nazi's only had 6 years.

    2- The Generals ran the show for WWI Germany - i.e., no mad man at the helm, and they didn't make stupid decisions based on ideology. Think how much man power and resources were wasted on the Final Solution.

    3- Imperial Germany actually had a navy that was worth a shit, although they didn't use it much.

    4- Imperial Germany actually knocked out Russia, while fighting France and Britain at the same time and remember that France and Britain in WWI were willing to lose and entire generation of their youth to "win" in places like Verdun and the Somme. This, of course, was not the case in WWI were those two powers basically rolled over and died.

    5- WWI was very much in doubt until late in the 4th Quarter and the Germans had a realistic chance to win. Nazi Germany on the other hand had lost the war by half time (i.e., late 1942 - early 1943) and that was before America was really heavy into the fight.

    Conversely, that was a shit tier WWI Russia with a fucking pansy ass czar at the helm (thanks @Rasputin!) rather than a military mind. Also a Russia that was *this* close to Implosion.gif.

    Hitler's eastern front SOS was much higher.

    Still a chinteresting debate.
    This is highly debatable. Remember WWI Germany never got anywhere near Moscow and the Russians held them off for nearly 4 years. If the Bolsheviks don't get into Power, Russia would have kept on fighting. And the Western Front SOS was much, much higher in WWI.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,538
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    WW2 Nazi Germany
    Wow there's a lot of stretching to make this into a football analogy


    Cooler uniforms in ww2 and they probably boned a lot of hot french chicks.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,480
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    Wow there's a lot of stretching to make this into a football analogy


    Cooler uniforms in ww2 and they probably boned a lot of hot french chicks.

    Gnu hear?
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    dnc said:

    Carlin lays out a very compelling argument in favor of WW1 Germany...

    1- Imperial Germany had 40 + years to prepare where as Nazi's only had 6 years.

    2- The Generals ran the show for WWI Germany - i.e., no mad man at the helm, and they didn't make stupid decisions based on ideology. Think how much man power and resources were wasted on the Final Solution.

    3- Imperial Germany actually had a navy that was worth a shit, although they didn't use it much.

    4- Imperial Germany actually knocked out Russia, while fighting France and Britain at the same time and remember that France and Britain in WWI were willing to lose and entire generation of their youth to "win" in places like Verdun and the Somme. This, of course, was not the case in WWI were those two powers basically rolled over and died.

    5- WWI was very much in doubt until late in the 4th Quarter and the Germans had a realistic chance to win. Nazi Germany on the other hand had lost the war by half time (i.e., late 1942 - early 1943) and that was before America was really heavy into the fight.

    Conversely, that was a shit tier WWI Russia with a fucking pansy ass czar at the helm (thanks @Rasputin!) rather than a military mind. Also a Russia that was *this* close to Implosion.gif.

    Hitler's eastern front SOS was much higher.

    Still a chinteresting debate.
    This is highly debatable. Remember WWI Germany never got anywhere near Moscow and the Russians held them off for nearly 4 years. If the Bolsheviks don't get into Power, Russia would have kept on fighting. And the Western Front SOS was much, much higher in WWI.
    I don't deal in hypotheticals
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    WW1 Imperial Germany

    WW2 Germany and it's not close.

    Who cares if the generals had more say in WW1? Say in what, sending thousands to run to their deaths against trench fortified machine guns?

    Nazi German overextended by a fucking lot. They couldnt be satisfied with annexing France and Poland, they just had to spread themselves too thin and attack Russia. If they had fortified, given themselves time to get their new recruits up to speed, and not helped a fucking stupid Italy blunder along in Greece, America would have had a real problem and might not have been able to beat them.

    It was probably a matter of time before Russia attacked the eastern flank, but a Russian offensive would have been a joke. Wasting away half of your troops in an offensive in Russia, during the winter, was an all-time dumb fuckup.

    Same shit happened to Napolean. Power hungry despots, for some reason, arent happy with conquering the nice parts of Europe. They are compelled to invade Russia for god knows why, lose a shitload of experienced troops, and allow the English to get their shit together.

    Yes, except this isn't really what happened in WWI. After Germany failed to knock out France and Britain at the First Battle of Marne in 1914, they basically went on the strategic defensive on the Western Front until Spring 1918. Most of the stupid Civil War era infantry charges against machine guns and barbed wire were British and French Generals continually launching offensives to push the Germans out of France and Belgium. Once Germany knew they were a war of attrition in WWI their strategy was sound as fuck, which can't be said of WWII. Ludendorff and Hindenburg were far better strategists than Hitler.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,102
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    Gotta go with Race, he was there!
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Carlin lays out a very compelling argument in favor of WW1 Germany...

    1- Imperial Germany had 40 + years to prepare where as Nazi's only had 6 years.

    2- The Generals ran the show for WWI Germany - i.e., no mad man at the helm, and they didn't make stupid decisions based on ideology. Think how much man power and resources were wasted on the Final Solution.

    3- Imperial Germany actually had a navy that was worth a shit, although they didn't use it much.

    4- Imperial Germany actually knocked out Russia, while fighting France and Britain at the same time and remember that France and Britain in WWI were willing to lose and entire generation of their youth to "win" in places like Verdun and the Somme. This, of course, was not the case in WWI were those two powers basically rolled over and died.

    5- WWI was very much in doubt until late in the 4th Quarter and the Germans had a realistic chance to win. Nazi Germany on the other hand had lost the war by half time (i.e., late 1942 - early 1943) and that was before America was really heavy into the fight.

    Conversely, that was a shit tier WWI Russia with a fucking pansy ass czar at the helm (thanks @Rasputin!) rather than a military mind. Also a Russia that was *this* close to Implosion.gif.

    Hitler's eastern front SOS was much higher.

    Still a chinteresting debate.
    This is highly debatable. Remember WWI Germany never got anywhere near Moscow and the Russians held them off for nearly 4 years. If the Bolsheviks don't get into Power, Russia would have kept on fighting. And the Western Front SOS was much, much higher in WWI.
    I don't deal in hypotheticals
    When it comes to Germany we definitely do.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,465
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    WW2 Germany and it's not close.

    Who cares if the generals had more say in WW1? Say in what, sending thousands to run to their deaths against trench fortified machine guns?

    Nazi German overextended by a fucking lot. They couldnt be satisfied with annexing France and Poland, they just had to spread themselves too thin and attack Russia. If they had fortified, given themselves time to get their new recruits up to speed, and not helped a fucking stupid Italy blunder along in Greece, America would have had a real problem and might not have been able to beat them.

    It was probably a matter of time before Russia attacked the eastern flank, but a Russian offensive would have been a joke. Wasting away half of your troops in an offensive in Russia, during the winter, was an all-time dumb fuckup.

    Same shit happened to Napolean. Power hungry despots, for some reason, arent happy with conquering the nice parts of Europe. They are compelled to invade Russia for god knows why, lose a shitload of experienced troops, and allow the English to get their shit together.

    Yes, except this isn't really what happened in WWI. After Germany failed to knock out France and Britain at the First Battle of Marne in 1914, they basically went on the strategic defensive on the Western Front until Spring 1918. Most of the stupid Civil War era infantry charges against machine guns and barbed wire were British and French Generals continually launching offensives to push the Germans out of France and Belgium. Once Germany knew they were a war of attrition in WWI their strategy was sound as fuck, which can't be said of WWII. Ludendorff and Hindenburg were far better strategists than Hitler.

    Yeah but still
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,656
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    WW1 Imperial Germany

    WW2 Germany and it's not close.

    Who cares if the generals had more say in WW1? Say in what, sending thousands to run to their deaths against trench fortified machine guns?

    Nazi German overextended by a fucking lot. They couldnt be satisfied with annexing France and Poland, they just had to spread themselves too thin and attack Russia. If they had fortified, given themselves time to get their new recruits up to speed, and not helped a fucking stupid Italy blunder along in Greece, America would have had a real problem and might not have been able to beat them.

    It was probably a matter of time before Russia attacked the eastern flank, but a Russian offensive would have been a joke. Wasting away half of your troops in an offensive in Russia, during the winter, was an all-time dumb fuckup.

    Same shit happened to Napolean. Power hungry despots, for some reason, arent happy with conquering the nice parts of Europe. They are compelled to invade Russia for god knows why, lose a shitload of experienced troops, and allow the English to get their shit together.

    Yes, except this isn't really what happened in WWI. After Germany failed to knock out France and Britain at the First Battle of Marne in 1914, they basically went on the strategic defensive on the Western Front until Spring 1918. Most of the stupid Civil War era infantry charges against machine guns and barbed wire were British and French Generals continually launching offensives to push the Germans out of France and Belgium. Once Germany knew they were a war of attrition in WWI their strategy was sound as fuck, which can't be said of WWII. Ludendorff and Hindenburg were far better strategists than Hitler.
    Hitler came out chucking bombs and bubble screens.

    It just took awhile for Stalin and Roosevelt to get their own guys in there.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,044
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    WW2 Nazi Germany
    I'm going with Hitler here. He bitch slapped Paul Von Hindenburg, the German military commander of WWI, into making him Chancellor in 1932. Hindenburg beat Hitler in the elections in 1932, regaining the Presidency, but that was just the first half. Hitler so fucked shit up after the elections that he forced Hindenburg to capitualte to his demands to make him Chancellor, rode it out until Hindy died the next year, and declared himself Der Furor! So independent of what their armies ever did, Hitler > Hindenburg. Winners win.
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