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Why is the American & International left in bed with Islam?

oregonblitzkrieg
oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
edited August 2018 in Tug Tavern
What would cause a movement that previously (allegedly) supported women's rights, free speech, gay rights, etc. to ally itself with a brutal system of oppression and murder that masquerades as a religion and is responsible for atrocities against women, gays, minorities and others throughout history?

Why is the American & International left in bed with Islam? 13 votes

They are naive idiots and don't understand the true nature of Islam
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They have become fascists in their thinking/behavior and can relate to the authoritarianism of Islam and would like to have the power to silence anyone who opposes their own belief system
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They are a bunch of misguided virtue signalling faggots who believe that supporting and defending Islam makes them culturally superior to everyone else
30%
Fire_Marshall_BilldncPurpleThrobberPitchfork51 4 votes
They were so poorly educated that they think Islam is a race and confuse anti-Islamism with racism
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They are misogynist pigs who don't actually support women's rights (Weinstein democrats)
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They are flaming hypocrites
7%
YellowSnow 1 vote
All of the above
61%
RaceBannonSwayeSoutherndawgoregonblitzkriegLebamDawgRoadTripTurdBombertheLSkid 8 votes
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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    They are a bunch of misguided virtue signalling faggots who believe that supporting and defending Islam makes them culturally superior to everyone else

    dnc said:

    Much (not all) of the left has made the determination that any minority is inherently right, oppressed and worthy of protecting and any majority is inherently wrong, oppressive and worthy of destruction.

    As this mentality takes deeper root across the country it will chinevitably lead to plenty of hypocritical views and minority on minority skirmishes. Hard to say which minority will eventually emerge as the ultimate authority on being oppressed and how to best destroy the rich white cis patriarchy, but EWIWBI
    White Post-colonial Guilt.

    Crisped
    That's certainly a part of it
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,606 Standard Supporter
    They are a bunch of misguided virtue signalling faggots who believe that supporting and defending Islam makes them culturally superior to everyone else
    dnc said:

    Much (not all) of the left has made the determination that any minority is inherently right, oppressed and worthy of protecting and any majority is inherently wrong, oppressive and worthy of destruction.

    As this mentality takes deeper root across the country it will chinevitably lead to plenty of hypocritical views and minority on minority skirmishes. Hard to say which minority will eventually emerge as the ultimate authority on being oppressed and how to best destroy the rich white cis patriarchy, but EWIWBI.

    well said
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,785 Swaye's Wigwam
    All of the above
    all the others were TL:DR and this one included any of them that had faggot in the text
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    They are a bunch of misguided virtue signalling faggots who believe that supporting and defending Islam makes them culturally superior to everyone else
    They got in with a group of friends who keep trying to score more points than the others
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited August 2018
    It's many things...

    The left strongly believes in world peace, without acknowledging that world peace is a fallacy. They don't understand the concept that a terrorist will still kill you even if you are kind to them.

    The elitist left have knowledge of theory, but lack practical knowledge.

    The left doesn't understand the difference between privileges and rights. Or they do but believe privilege only supports the rich or white.

    Equality in their eyes needs to be evolved from equality of opportunity to equality of life.
    *What I mean is even if a person doesn't follow through on opportunities, and just sits on their ass, they still deserve free health care, free college education, and guaranteed minimum income. Which are things people currently have to work for.

    The left has fallen in love with punching up. Punching up is funny but punching down is horrible. And the punched up should never punch back, because them punching back is either racist or misogynist, while the former is appropriate and justified. FYI - Neither is OK. Example: "The neighborhood" the new CBS show. It has a preview clip that shows a black man laughing when the white neighbor opens the door because he's in a "black neighborhood". What would the public think if the roles were reversed in a "white neighborhood"?




  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,233 Founders Club
    They are flaming hypocrites
    2001400ex said:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Who here other than perhaps OBK has proposed prohibiting the free exercise of Islam in the US? How does offering criticisms of contemporary Islamic civilization infringe upon anyone's 1st amendment rights?
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    All of the above

    2001400ex said:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Who here other than perhaps OBK has proposed prohibiting the free exercise of Islam in the US? How does offering criticisms of contemporary Islamic civilization infringe upon anyone's 1st amendment rights?
    There should be a debate about whether Islam qualifies as a religion at all. Evidence shows that it's more of a political system than a religion, and I think it should be treated as such.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559

    2001400ex said:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Who here other than perhaps OBK has proposed prohibiting the free exercise of Islam in the US? How does offering criticisms of contemporary Islamic civilization infringe upon anyone's 1st amendment rights?
    There should be a debate about whether Islam qualifies as a religion at all. Evidence shows that it's more of a political system than a religion, and I think it should be treated as such.
    Saying shit like this hurts your argument
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    All of the above

    2001400ex said:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Who here other than perhaps OBK has proposed prohibiting the free exercise of Islam in the US? How does offering criticisms of contemporary Islamic civilization infringe upon anyone's 1st amendment rights?
    There should be a debate about whether Islam qualifies as a religion at all. Evidence shows that it's more of a political system than a religion, and I think it should be treated as such.
    Saying shit like this hurts your argument
    Why? It's true.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Who here other than perhaps OBK has proposed prohibiting the free exercise of Islam in the US? How does offering criticisms of contemporary Islamic civilization infringe upon anyone's 1st amendment rights?
    It's the insinuation that the Muslim religion is the issue. It's extremists that's the issue. Just like extreme Christians that want to take down Muslims are an issue.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    All of the above
    Islam is NOT a religion. I know it sounds crazy, and I know I don’t get a lot of support for that idea, but I strongly believe that Islam might be dressed up as a religion: it has a holy book, it has a temple, it looks like a religion, but it’s more an ideology and a totalitarian ideology than a religion. You cannot compare it with Christianity and Judaism, and you should compare it with other totalitarian ideologies like communism or fascism. I always use one example to prove it — there are many more that — like in communism or fascism, the penalty is death if you want to leave it. I mean, you cannot leave Islam: if you are an apostate, if you are a renegade, the penalty is death, and even today in our societies, let alone in the Islamic societies, it is enacted upon, you know people ARE killed for that reason, and you can leave Christianity, you can leave Judaism.

    And the other point is that Islam wants to rule the world — as you know Islam means to subjugate, wants to rule and dominate and subjugate, not only the person’s life but also a whole society. The rule of God, the rule of allah, the rule of the Quran and the Hadith is the rule of the society. I’m not talking about all Muslims, I’m talking about the ideology, and the idea of ideology cannot integrate and assimilate in a society, it wants to dominate it and it wants to subjugate with violence.

    The Quran is full of more violence and anti-semitism than Mein Kampf, for instance. People and academics have proved that, so our biggest mistake is, once again, the false equality that we say that Islam is a religion, so they have the freedom of religion. And I believe it’s not religion; it should not be treated as a religion, and the constitutional freedoms of religion do not apply to an ideology. We would not allow in Holland Nazi schools for instance — it’s another totalitarian ideology. Why do we have Islamic schools? Where young children at five, six, seven, eight years old that we want to integrate, get a job, get Dutch friends, participate fully and equally in the Dutch society are being caught up with the Quran and ideology of hate and thought . . .


    Geert Wilders, Dutch Politician

    limitstogrowth.org/articles/2017/03/05/geert-wilders-recommends-islam-be-recategorized-as-political-not-religious/
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    All of the above
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Who here other than perhaps OBK has proposed prohibiting the free exercise of Islam in the US? How does offering criticisms of contemporary Islamic civilization infringe upon anyone's 1st amendment rights?
    It's the insinuation that the Muslim religion is the issue. It's extremists that's the issue. Just like extreme Christians that want to take down Muslims are an issue.
    Islam itself is the issue. Islam itself is extremist.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Geert Wilders is your source???
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Islam is NOT a religion. I know it sounds crazy, and I know I don’t get a lot of support for that idea, but I strongly believe that Islam might be dressed up as a religion: it has a holy book, it has a temple, it looks like a religion, but it’s more an ideology and a totalitarian ideology than a religion. You cannot compare it with Christianity and Judaism, and you should compare it with other totalitarian ideologies like communism or fascism. I always use one example to prove it — there are many more that — like in communism or fascism, the penalty is death if you want to leave it. I mean, you cannot leave Islam: if you are an apostate, if you are a renegade, the penalty is death, and even today in our societies, let alone in the Islamic societies, it is enacted upon, you know people ARE killed for that reason, and you can leave Christianity, you can leave Judaism.

    And the other point is that Islam wants to rule the world — as you know Islam means to subjugate, wants to rule and dominate and subjugate, not only the person’s life but also a whole society. The rule of God, the rule of allah, the rule of the Quran and the Hadith is the rule of the society. I’m not talking about all Muslims, I’m talking about the ideology, and the idea of ideology cannot integrate and assimilate in a society, it wants to dominate it and it wants to subjugate with violence.

    The Quran is full of more violence and anti-semitism than Mein Kampf, for instance. People and academics have proved that, so our biggest mistake is, once again, the false equality that we say that Islam is a religion, so they have the freedom of religion. And I believe it’s not religion; it should not be treated as a religion, and the constitutional freedoms of religion do not apply to an ideology. We would not allow in Holland Nazi schools for instance — it’s another totalitarian ideology. Why do we have Islamic schools? Where young children at five, six, seven, eight years old that we want to integrate, get a job, get Dutch friends, participate fully and equally in the Dutch society are being caught up with the Quran and ideology of hate and thought . . .


    Geert Wilders, Dutch Politician

    limitstogrowth.org/articles/2017/03/05/geert-wilders-recommends-islam-be-recategorized-as-political-not-religious/

    You sir. Are fucking ignorant.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited August 2018
    All of the above

    Geert Wilders is your source???

    Sure. He talks the talk but he also walked the walked and lived the reality. Dude hasn't been able to leave his house without armed guards now for a decade or more due to threats on his life from the followers of Islam. I don't see Christians, Jews or Buddhists issuing fatwas against opposition figures. Or killing people for drawing cartoons of Jesus or Buddah.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Geert Wilders is your source???

    Sure. He talks the talk but he also walked the walked and lived the reality. Dude hasn't been able to leave his house without armed guards now for a decade or more due to threats on his life from the followers of Islam. I don't see Christians, Jews or Buddhists issuing fatwas against opposition figures. Or killing people for drawing cartoons of Jesus or Buddah.
    Cool. Are we still drawing sweeping conclusions about a multi national multi cultural global religion based on their extremist wing?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Geert Wilders is your source???

    Sure. He talks the talk but he also walked the walked and lived the reality. Dude hasn't been able to leave his house without armed guards now for a decade or more due to threats on his life from the followers of Islam. I don't see Christians, Jews or Buddhists issuing fatwas against opposition figures. Or killing people for drawing cartoons of Jesus or Buddah.
    Ask Iraq how the Christians treated them.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    All of the above

    Geert Wilders is your source???

    Sure. He talks the talk but he also walked the walked and lived the reality. Dude hasn't been able to leave his house without armed guards now for a decade or more due to threats on his life from the followers of Islam. I don't see Christians, Jews or Buddhists issuing fatwas against opposition figures. Or killing people for drawing cartoons of Jesus or Buddah.
    Cool. Are we still drawing sweeping conclusions about a multi national multi cultural global religion based on their extremist wing?
    Nah, just drawing sweeping conclusions about a multi national multi cultural global 'religion' based on the evidence. The 'religion' itself is extreme and all encompassing. The Koran is the basically the constitution of Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran. They follow the same creed as ISIS. They are run by Islamic fascists who dig shit like honor killings when a girl gets raped, marrying underage girls, cutting off the hands of the thief, executions for apostasy. Time to wake up and start taking these faggots at their word when they say they represent Islam, because they do. You would know that if you ever read their 'holy' book.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    All of the above
    2001400ex said:

    Geert Wilders is your source???

    Sure. He talks the talk but he also walked the walked and lived the reality. Dude hasn't been able to leave his house without armed guards now for a decade or more due to threats on his life from the followers of Islam. I don't see Christians, Jews or Buddhists issuing fatwas against opposition figures. Or killing people for drawing cartoons of Jesus or Buddah.
    Ask Iraq how the Christians treated them.
    You're always complaining about how Race brings up Hillary and Obama whenever Trump is criticized (he doesn't, but anyway). So why don't you try defending Islam and explain why the left is so cozy with an ideology that is not at compatible with Western freedoms and values, without bring up Christianity. Jackass.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Geert Wilders is your source???

    Sure. He talks the talk but he also walked the walked and lived the reality. Dude hasn't been able to leave his house without armed guards now for a decade or more due to threats on his life from the followers of Islam. I don't see Christians, Jews or Buddhists issuing fatwas against opposition figures. Or killing people for drawing cartoons of Jesus or Buddah.
    Cool. Are we still drawing sweeping conclusions about a multi national multi cultural global religion based on their extremist wing?
    Nah, just drawing sweeping conclusions about a multi national multi cultural global 'religion' based on the evidence. The 'religion' itself is extreme and all encompassing. The Koran is the basically the constitution of Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran. They follow the same creed as ISIS. They are run by Islamic fascists who dig shit like honor killings when a girl gets raped, marrying underage girls, cutting off the hands of the thief, executions for apostasy. Time to wake up and start taking these faggots at their word when they say they represent Islam, because they do. You would know that if you ever read their 'holy' book.
    You sound scared
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Geert Wilders is your source???

    Sure. He talks the talk but he also walked the walked and lived the reality. Dude hasn't been able to leave his house without armed guards now for a decade or more due to threats on his life from the followers of Islam. I don't see Christians, Jews or Buddhists issuing fatwas against opposition figures. Or killing people for drawing cartoons of Jesus or Buddah.
    Cool. Are we still drawing sweeping conclusions about a multi national multi cultural global religion based on their extremist wing?
    Nah, just drawing sweeping conclusions about a multi national multi cultural global 'religion' based on the evidence. The 'religion' itself is extreme and all encompassing. The Koran is the basically the constitution of Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran. They follow the same creed as ISIS. They are run by Islamic fascists who dig shit like honor killings when a girl gets raped, marrying underage girls, cutting off the hands of the thief, executions for apostasy. Time to wake up and start taking these faggots at their word when they say they represent Islam, because they do. You would know that if you ever read their 'holy' book.
    What dictators like the House of Saud or the mullahs of Iran use to hold onto power/control their people is not the same as how most regular ass people live. I’m no defender of terrorists like you try to claim, but if you think every Muslim is a terrorist, I really just can’t help you. Is every white person a terrorist based on the actions of the KKK or neo-Nazis? Because that’s how absurd your logic is.