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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,467 Founders Club
    Does the 2500 a year I am saving under Obamacare count towards the 300 million we? save under the TommyCare?
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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    RaceBannon said:

    Does the 2500 a year I am saving under Obamacare count towards the 300 million we? save under the KochCare?

    FTFY
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,467 Founders Club
    Who?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


    I should have noticed the libertarian retardation in your first post. My mistake.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    edited July 2018
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    salemcoog said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    ThomasFremont said:

    salemcoog said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
    So you got nuttin’. Good luck the rest of the way.
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