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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    You have no solution other than continue the large increases in medical insurance and cost of care.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,839 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2018

    Does the 2500 a year I am saving under Obamacare count towards the 300 million we? save under the TommyCare?

    I never got my $2,500.00 only increases. I think a couple shlubs in Spokane gets it. @Hondo send me my money!

    Do they count the people that are never going to pay still? They'll use more services than currently because they can and the population of shlubs will increase.

    I'm back on voting in the retroactive abortion with me in charge.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,924 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    You have no solution other than continue the large increases in medical insurance and cost of care.
    The 'solutions' you spammed the bored with the last 3 years.

    Go fuck off.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    You have no solution other than continue the large increases in medical insurance and cost of care.
    The 'solutions' you spammed the bored with the last 3 years.

    Go fuck off.
    You sound angry. Next time post a rational thought.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.

  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,839 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2018
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam
    Sledog said:


    Next thing you lefties will want Britains dental plan it's fucking awesome!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-s-national-health-service-struggles-with-chronic-shortages-1524308400

    It's universal though! Everyone has the right to the same shitty care.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    You sound angry.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    You sound angry.
    You sound like a Proud Boy.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,924 Founders Club
    edited July 2018

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    So your solution is to spend $32 TRILLION and you want me to be happy b/c we might save $300 billion??

    That's Hondo Fucking Stupid.





    If you made the producers compete for the business, and allow the market to control costs, the savings are unfathomable.

    It's really that simple.


  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    Libertarian?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    So your solution is to spend $32 TRILLION and you want me to be happy b/c we might save $300 billion??

    That's Hondo Fucking Stupid.





    If you made the producers compete for the business, and allow the market to control costs, the savings are unfathomable.

    It's really that simple.


    Are you truly that dumb? First off, that's only one side of the equation. I know you like it when Fox news scares you and you can't imagine something they report would be missing information.

    What do you think the cost savings would be if we got profit out of the equation, ended paying for insurance, and ended the whole medical billing practice?

    Think about it.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    So your solution is to spend $32 TRILLION and you want me to be happy b/c we might save $300 billion??

    That's Hondo Fucking Stupid.





    If you made the producers compete for the business, and allow the market to control costs, the savings are unfathomable.

    It's really that simple.


    Are you truly that dumb? First off, that's only one side of the equation. I know you like it when Fox news scares you and you can't imagine something they report would be missing information.

    What do you think the cost savings would be if we got profit out of the equation, ended paying for insurance, and ended the whole medical billing practice?

    Think about it.
    It's less than 20% of total cost for administration and profit combined so...not as much as you would want to believe.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


    I should have noticed the libertarian retardation in your first post. My mistake.
    Please provide a policy that posits more than statism as a solution and I'll happily give you more than a libertarian answer. You guys are just a bunch of tired socialist platitudes about helping the poor, equality, etc.

    Do you want to talk about how to minimize administration costs or how to reform medical collections to incentivize insurance companies to pay bills properly instead of trying to forego payments?

    Do you want to talk about how to deal with an aging population with expanding entitlements and how to maintain solvency of our existing programs?

    Or maybe you want to actually discuss what a single payer looks like, how to pay for it, and how exactly it will affect the open market for healthcare services?

    Nah, you don't want any of that because that would actually take effort instead of hand waving at Europe while never mincing out the complexity of the issue.

    p.s. Not a libertarian, pigeon hole me if it makes you feel better.
    Not a libertarian? I can believe that. You are a pedantic bullshit artist with nothing more than a BS in Econ. You preach “policy” and revert to platitudes and text book copypasta in every post.

    Least squares regression analysis confirms this thesis with a statistically significant R2.


  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam
    I heart the clean air and water act for one example. I'm also not at all opposed to transfers and social programs that work efficiently or manage to avoid significant negative externalities.

    It's shocking! Shocking that someone with a degree in economics would argue for free market solutions! Nevermind my professional experiences...

    Your post still had no substance other than to attack me(and not any of what I had to actually say). Lmk when you've got higher level policy to discuss. Still waiting for more than hand waving about Europe and Medicare.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



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    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    So your solution is to spend $32 TRILLION and you want me to be happy b/c we might save $300 billion??

    That's Hondo Fucking Stupid.





    If you made the producers compete for the business, and allow the market to control costs, the savings are unfathomable.

    It's really that simple.


    Are you truly that dumb? First off, that's only one side of the equation. I know you like it when Fox news scares you and you can't imagine something they report would be missing information.

    What do you think the cost savings would be if we got profit out of the equation, ended paying for insurance, and ended the whole medical billing practice?

    Think about it.
    It's less than 20% of total cost for administration and profit combined so...not as much as you would want to believe.
    Why do you ignore the fact we'd eliminate medical insurance costs? That's the biggest number. Well we'd replace it with Medicare tax. But none of that is taken into account to simpletons like you.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,839 Standard Supporter

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
    Save $300 billion AND get everyone covered. According to a libertarian think tank.

    I’d take that deal for $0 savings.

    And since unlike you I’d actually have to pay more in that system, I think you can shut the fuck up about it. This is all theoretical for you. Go short the market or something.
    So your solution is to spend $32 TRILLION and you want me to be happy b/c we might save $300 billion??

    That's Hondo Fucking Stupid.





    If you made the producers compete for the business, and allow the market to control costs, the savings are unfathomable.

    It's really that simple.


    Are you truly that dumb? First off, that's only one side of the equation. I know you like it when Fox news scares you and you can't imagine something they report would be missing information.

    What do you think the cost savings would be if we got profit out of the equation, ended paying for insurance, and ended the whole medical billing practice?

    Think about it.
    It's less than 20% of total cost for administration and profit combined so...not as much as you would want to believe.
    Do all those broke socialist countries make trillions on their medical care systems?

    Holy fucko.....
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    I heart the clean air and water act for one example. I'm also not at all opposed to transfers and social programs that work efficiently or manage to avoid significant negative externalities.

    It's shocking! Shocking that someone with a degree in economics would argue for free market solutions! Nevermind my professional experiences...

    Your post still had no substance other than to attack me(and not any of what I had to actually say). Lmk when you've got higher level policy to discuss. Still waiting for more than hand waving about Europe and Medicare.


    You’ve proved you read the text book and showed up to Kane for the test. Still waiting for you to advocate a policy based on your extensive experience analyzing efficiencies, and externalities — not to mention your professional experiences...

    You are full of shit.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.

    Except for the amount people save in not paying insurance companies anymore. Are you really that dense to only look at one side of the equation?
    Yeah..taking it at gun point is better. And fair!
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