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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    Does the 2500 a year I am saving under Obamacare count towards the 300 million we? save under the TommyCare?
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


    Profile in Courage.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Does the 2500 a year I am saving under Obamacare count towards the 300 million we? save under the KochCare?

    FTFY
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


    I should have noticed the libertarian retardation in your first post. My mistake.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,924 Founders Club
    edited July 2018

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    salemcoog said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    salemcoog said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
    So you got nuttin’. Good luck the rest of the way.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club

    salemcoog said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
    I have some ideas.....
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    salemcoog said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
    I have some ideas.....
    Anyone can have ideas. What we need are SOLUTIONS.

    Hey look at me, I’m Purple J!!1!
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,924 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    “Sacred cows” is an economic term? In the same school that teaches anti-vaccine theory 101.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,924 Founders Club
    edited July 2018

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


    I should have noticed the libertarian retardation in your first post. My mistake.
    Please provide a policy that posits more than statism as a solution and I'll happily give you more than a libertarian answer. You guys are just a bunch of tired socialist platitudes about helping the poor, equality, etc.

    Do you want to talk about how to minimize administration costs or how to reform medical collections to incentivize insurance companies to pay bills properly instead of trying to forego payments?

    Do you want to talk about how to deal with an aging population with expanding entitlements and how to maintain solvency of our existing programs?

    Or maybe you want to actually discuss what a single payer looks like, how to pay for it, and how exactly it will affect the open market for healthcare services?

    Nah, you don't want any of that because that would actually take effort instead of hand waving at Europe while never mincing out the complexity of the issue.

    p.s. Not a libertarian, pigeon hole me if it makes you feel better.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,924 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Sledog said:
    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
    Not really the religious type, but thanks. I’ll pray for you.
    Still dodging the question.

    If you don't actually understand economics, just say so.
    I already told you my plan. What’s your fucking plan, salt crystals in every yurt?
    So you just want to copy somebody? Who?

    What part of their plan controls costs?



    what's in the box.gif







    I want providers to compete for the business. Just like every other efficient economy in the word.


    The guy asking this shit hole how to short the market now expects a fully cooked Medicare for all plan explained to him in detail.
    It says more that you're afraid to answer the question.

    It says you cant.



    Your solutions at this point amount to Pollyanna bullshit.
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