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Sledog
Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
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The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    photo 7AFC8C29-C6CD-4328-B7BA-09E0E344642C_zpsdwxya00i.gif

    BTW, dig the Wu Tang logo on the desk.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    HondoFS. Sad.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.

    Except for the amount people save in not paying insurance companies anymore. Are you really that dense to only look at one side of the equation?
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.

    Except for the amount people save in not paying insurance companies anymore. Are you really that dense to only look at one side of the equation?
    Since doubling taxes won't work maybe triple? Is that more than your health insurance costs? Axing for a friend.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    "The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs."

    Maybe they could just take all our money? Oh I forgot that's what communists do.

    Except for the amount people save in not paying insurance companies anymore. Are you really that dense to only look at one side of the equation?
    If your household makes $150k a year, your federal taxes would go up almost $2,100/month if doubled. That's already more than most common married couple insurance plans. Imagine if they needed more...
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,616 Standard Supporter
    It's cheaper. People don't die waiting for operations. Don't believe the right libertarian think tank scare tactic b.s. The ones profiting from all this are pulling out all the stops to distort all the facts.

    WHO ranks us like 40th in healthcare or something. It's pathetic.
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    edited July 2018
    Medicare for all would save 2 trillion over 10 years in national health expenditures which is different than federal govt health expenditures. We would pay higher taxes and increase govt spending and then save the money that goes to the inefficient private profit centers that make our health costs per person the highest in the world.

    So we could save money and insure 30 million more people or continue lavishing the private insurance middlemen and big pharma.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    It doesn't really matter how expensive it is if it's less expensive than the overall now.
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    Pitchfork51 said:

    It doesn't really matter how expensive it is if it's less expensive than the overall now.

    Yep, Fox and other outlets are using the $32T in the headline to scare people off from the cost even though it would be less than current national health spending projections
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Southerndawg said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    HondoFS. Sad.
    It’s not my study. But I see you skipped that part too. Sad.
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,090 Founders Club
    We have two fantastic examples of universal healthcare in the U.S.

    Diaylsis is single payer. It's a disaster for both patients and our budget.
    God Help You. You're on Dialysis

    And the universal coverage of the VA which would make me laugh at how bad it is if it weren't for the fact that Veterans really deserve better. With essentially unlimited funding, a complete cultural dedication to those served, and the status of a sacred cow the VA still can't provide decent care. I'm sure it will be totally different if they put all of us on it.
    LAX oversight of VA project

    I'll also pass on the huge legislative boondoggle that will ensue when politicians determine the budgets for our healthcare.

    The government is not an efficient buying agent.
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club
    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,090 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    Does the 2500 a year I am saving under Obamacare count towards the 300 million we? save under the TommyCare?
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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


    Profile in Courage.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    RaceBannon said:

    Does the 2500 a year I am saving under Obamacare count towards the 300 million we? save under the KochCare?

    FTFY
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    Who?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    I really enjoy the patriots that want to make America great again telling me that America isn’t capable of having quality healthcare. Every country in the world with universal healthcare spends less than we do now but our costs will go up because they think America sucks so bad.

    You allowing and defending corruption all so you can throw your hands up and cry about how inefficient government is doesn’t fool anyone with a brain.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government isn’t it’s own thing, it’s us. If we want better all we have to do is do better.

    You think it's corruption I'm pointing to? Lol. It's not corruption. It's inefficiency. As ever the statists will repeat, "The state would solve it all if we just got the right people in there." Socialism won't ever be efficient in the world as we know it. It's purely a matter of overhead even without the considerations for corruption and shrinkage.

    I also don't really buy the metrics that people like to repeat as talking points about being first in spending and 37th in healthcare as reflecting our healthcare system being "broken".

    Rich nations spend more on healthcare. Unhealthy nations spend more on healthcare and have poorer health overall. We are leaders in both of these categories. Of course we are going to rank high in spending and low on overall health.

    I think we have had and can again have the best healthcare in the world using free markets as opposed to government planned markets. Government is part of the problem with our healthcare. Not the solution.


    I should have noticed the libertarian retardation in your first post. My mistake.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,461 Founders Club
    edited July 2018
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    Your Hondo-dodge-the-point game is skrong.



    Oh I thought you were joking.

    We pay more than prettying much every other developed country in healthcare costs. So maybe just copy those folks? Or do you prefer the status quo of pretending that we are all helpless victims of circumstance?
    Why is that?

    Try to answer the question in a way that makes the reader think you understand basic economic principles.



    Nothing else matters. Your other two questions are FS.
    I’m not gonna get lectured about basic understanding or healthcare by an anti vax nut.

    HTH
    It appears you have multiple sacred cows above questioning.

    This discussion has nothing to do with care, or types of care. It's economics stupid.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    salemcoog said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    ThomasFremont said:

    salemcoog said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    ThomasFremont said:

    pawz said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    The Hondo medical plan seems a tad expensive.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

    You skipped the part where we save $300 billion over 10 years...
    When, in the economics of medicine, has anybody EVER saved money?



    Let me know when the producers are competing for the customers. TIA
    An abortion is cheaper than raising a kid. Want some more #tips ???
    So your cost savings example involves the murder of an unborn fetus???

    Any other Pro Tips to offer?
    We can kill some live ones too if it will make you happy.
    So you got nuttin’. Good luck the rest of the way.
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