Newsflash: the fade is a shitty play call

Gladstone

http://twitter.com/NoahRiley21/status/1016076024092618752

chuck

I hate the fucking fade.

Ice_Holmvik

chuck said:

I hate the fucking fade.

UWhuskytskeet

I'd run an Other every time.

Gladstone

This was more of a Sark thing than a JSFS thing, but I still found it interesting.

FremontTroll

It is a less awful playcall on 1st or 2nd and goal because the odds of a turnover or negative play are very low. On 4th and goal or a 2 point conversion its the nut low.

NorwegianHusky

You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.

It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.

It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.

At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.

You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.

Pitchfork51

The fade into the endzone to a nkeal Harry type guy is the 2nd best play in football.

The best is the qb sneak for half a yard.

Doogles

Or you could be David Shaw and run it 13 times in a row to one of your freak 6'8" tight ends

RaceBannon

Nothing like lobbing a 4th and goal fade into the grandstands

FremontTroll

NorwegianHusky said:

You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.

It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.

It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.

At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.

You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.

53 seconds and TL;DR.

Babushka

UWhuskytskeet said:

I'd run an Other every time.

Like a playfake and pass to your OLB playing fullback?

Or an end around?

AGREE!!!

Other is my jam.

Baseman

Hand the ball to Marshawn Lynch (NT)

TTJ

Doogles said:

Or you could be David Shaw and run it 13 times in a row to one of your freak 6'8" tight ends

Hmm, I wonder why Shaw kept going back to that?

RaceBannon

It wasn't a fade for Stanford. He ran out, turned around and waited for the jump ball against our midget

Pitchfork51

RaceBannon said:

It wasn't a fade for Stanford. He ran out, turned around and waited for the jump ball against our midget

So..


Best play in football.

Take the odds with an overwhelming advantage where the upside is super high and the downside is low.


The premise of this thread needs to diaff.

As soon as you fucks get a 6'4 monster possession guy the tables will turn.

RaceBannon

There is a difference between what Stanford did and the 3rd or 4th down fade in the endzone

A big difference

When you're watching a game and call the play before it happens the defense probably did too

HuskyJW

NorwegianHusky said:

You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.

It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.

It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.

At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.

You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.

You mean like the Stanford vs OSU game?

UWhuskytskeet

NorwegianHusky said:

You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.

It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.

It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.

At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.

You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.

Good point, except these numbers are for 2-point conversions specifically. You're better off calling a TO in this scenario.

Squirt

Gladstone said:

http://twitter.com/NoahRiley21/status/1016076024092618752

Fuck you, Pete Carroll.

Quietcowskee

Or just say anything not running the ball is a shitty play.