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Newsflash: the fade is a shitty play call

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  • GladstoneGladstone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,417
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    This was more of a Sark thing than a JSFS thing, but I still found it interesting.
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,702
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    It is a less awful playcall on 1st or 2nd and goal because the odds of a turnover or negative play are very low. On 4th and goal or a 2 point conversion its the nut low.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,538
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    The fade into the endzone to a nkeal Harry type guy is the 2nd best play in football.

    The best is the qb sneak for half a yard.
  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,460
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    Or you could be David Shaw and run it 13 times in a row to one of your freak 6'8" tight ends
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,715
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    Nothing like lobbing a 4th and goal fade into the grandstands
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,702
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    You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.

    It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.

    It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.

    At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.

    You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.

    53 seconds and TL;DR.
  • BabushkaBabushka Member Posts: 211
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    I'd run an Other every time.

    Like a playfake and pass to your OLB playing fullback?

    Or an end around?

    AGREE!!!

    Other is my jam.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,365
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    Hand the ball to Marshawn Lynch (NT)
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,715
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    It wasn't a fade for Stanford. He ran out, turned around and waited for the jump ball against our midget
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,538
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    It wasn't a fade for Stanford. He ran out, turned around and waited for the jump ball against our midget

    So..


    Best play in football.

    Take the odds with an overwhelming advantage where the upside is super high and the downside is low.


    The premise of this thread needs to diaff.

    As soon as you fucks get a 6'4 monster possession guy the tables will turn.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,715
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    There is a difference between what Stanford did and the 3rd or 4th down fade in the endzone

    A big difference

    When you're watching a game and call the play before it happens the defense probably did too
  • HuskyJWHuskyJW Guest, Member Posts: 14,161
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    You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.

    It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.

    It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.

    At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.

    You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.

    You mean like the Stanford vs OSU game? ;)
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,104
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    You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.

    It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.

    It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.

    At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.

    You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.

    Good point, except these numbers are for 2-point conversions specifically. You're better off calling a TO in this scenario.
  • QuietcowskeeQuietcowskee Member Posts: 3,060
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    Or just say anything not running the ball is a shitty play.
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