You idiots are only looking at one side of the equation... The fade route is a low percentage play for BOTH sides. I.e., it has low completion percentage for the offense, but it's also incredibly unlikely to be intercepted.
It makes sense if you have a big WR who can go up and get it and you're worried about your QB throwing a pick, or you don't think your run blocking is good enough to convert.
It's a very common audible out of a run play in the red-zone. If the defense has a clear numbers advantage in the box, you audible to the fade, and if it's incomplete that's still better than a turnover or tackle for loss.
At that point you get time to make a new play-call based on what the defense is showing. Maybe you try a different run play, or you call a pass or play-action pass if you think they're going to stack the box agan.
You get out of an unfavourable look against your run play, plus you get a 1/3 chance at a TD, maybe higher depending on your QB/WR duo. If it's first down, that's a hell of a lot better than wasting a timeout in most situations.
Good point, except these numbers are for 2-point conversions specifically. You're better off calling a TO in this scenario.
Yeah, only an idiot would call a fade on a 2-point coversion, unless you have supreme confidence in your QB and #1 WR, and get a favorable one-on-one matchup with that WR. Even then it's probably not the best play. I just roll my eyes at all the armchair experts who think the fade is a stupid play that never makes sense, regardless of situation, ignoring context when looking at stats.
My favorite fade story is Pitt, when Wannstedt was there, running a fade on 4th and goal at the end of game. It fell incomplete but there was a penalty on the defense so Pitt got another shot. They ran another fade. It went incomplete. They lost.
My favorite fade story is Pitt, when Wannstedt was there, running a fade on 4th and goal at the end of game. It fell incomplete but there was a penalty on the defense so Pitt got another shot. They ran another fade. It went incomplete. They lost.
Yeah that's a no balls move. Of course the other option is to run a more traditional and riskier pass play and if it goes wrong get shit about it for the rest of your life, see: Carroll, Pete & Bevell, Darrell.
Or just say anything not running the ball is a shitty play.
In the NFL, the only time a run adds to win probability or expected points is in short yardage (<3 yards to go). So a two point conversion is literally one of the few times running the ball actually makes sense, and yet NFL coaches overwhelmingly call passes.
Or just say anything not running the ball is a shitty play.
In the NFL, the only time a run adds to win probability or expected points is in short yardage (<3 yards to go). So a two point conversion is literally one of the few times running the ball actually makes sense, and yet NFL coaches overwhelmingly call passes.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait, I thought you coached at the highest classification in a football state?
Down 3 that playcall was conservative but fine for the reasons myself and Norwegian laid out.
The bigger problems were your shit QB underthrowing the route by 5 yards and your WR getting outmuscled and tossed to the ground.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait a minute. So when Sling had 1st & goal from the six against Colorado with two timeout and almost two minutes left in the game averaging 6ypc a fade wasn't the smartest play call?
I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Wait, I thought you coached at the highest classification in a football state?
Down 3 that playcall was conservative but fine for the reasons myself and Norwegian laid out.
The bigger problems were your shit QB underthrowing the route by 5 yards and your WR getting outmuscled and tossed to the ground.
It was a shitty fucking play call Pete Carroll. Just admit you fucked up and save your legacy.
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I had read he is the smartest guy in the room.
Oh nevermind, that was your Co-OC that made that call. Good luck this year.
Down 3 that playcall was conservative but fine for the reasons myself and Norwegian laid out.
The bigger problems were your shit QB underthrowing the route by 5 yards and your WR getting outmuscled and tossed to the ground.