Also I forgot Dennis said Ryan Bowman was gonna be Hau’oli Kikaha so we gucci on pass rushers for the next three years.
On a slightly more serious note if he actually does turn out to be that good and Tyron busts out this year like I’m hoping he can praise be to allah.
He compared him to Kikaha because they're both undersized and athletically limited, and both sell out to get sacks and TFLs.
Which means he can be quite good if he becomes as technically proficient as Kikaha, but will always be somewhat limited.
Kikaha was a 2nd round pick, he wasn't especially limited. Bowman always will be.
Kikaha is very limited. He has short arms and runs a 4.9 40. He's a good pass rusher because he has good technique and a quick first step, plus he sells out to make plays in the backfield. Sound like anyone?
I never said Kikaha wasn't good, but he had to overcome a lot of limitations to be good, and he still had some weaknesses to his game. Kikaha as a senior is Bowman's best case scenario as a senior.
He's never going to be Kikaha
Never said he would be.
"Kikaha as a senior is Bowman's best case scenario as a senior."
But it's not.
Kikaha was insanely good as a senior. I like Bowman. He can contribute, maybe even make an HM All Pac team before he leaves if all goes well. He's not going to be an All American.
Did I say best case or did I say definitely? All I'm saying is that they have similar traits. Don't read into it any more than that...
You said best case. IMO his best case is not nearly that good.
To me, this is where really looking at the roster comes in handy.
QB
Agree that we're done with Morris. There are 4 scholarship QBs on roster for 2019 already (Eason, Sirmon, Yankoff, Haener). I suspect that we're going to be in a position where there may be a QB transfer coming as soon as 2020 so it will be important to continue to have strong recruiting here in both the 2020 and 2021 classes (wouldn't shock me if we went after 3 in 2 years).
RB
The truth of Gaskin leaving after this year and Salvon the year after is a realistic one. What would remain assuming that we only take a single in this class for 2020 would be Sr's in Pleasant and McGrew, a RS Soph in Newton, and a possible RS Frosh in Davis. The reality is that this is a position that you can come in relatively early and contribute so the short-term urgency isn't as extreme as it woul be at other positions. My guess is that we're looking at going after 2-3 RBs in next year's class. Wild cards to all of this is the view on Boner and I don't think it's out of the range of possibility that Jamyn Patu very well may earn some playing time at some point. Also, it's worth considering whether or not Trey Lowe is a future RB or WR. If he's a RB, the numbers look better.
WR
This is a crazy position right now for UW. There are currently 11 scholarship WRs on the roster and none of those players are seniors (Chico's injury and playing time last year gave him a RS year). There are 4 Jr's on the roster (Chico, Fuller, Opera Singer, and Pounds). I could see at least one of them leaving after the season as a grad transfer somewhere. I think what you are seeing here and in the 2020 class is that we're really uncertain at what is going to happen numbers wise. We'll obviously take Ngata if he wants to come. But other than that, I think we're good this year because the numbers don't add up. As it comes to 2020, a lot will have to do again with who/what we have on roster. If you assume we get Ngata this year and Ty Jones stays 4 years, then going into the 2020 season you're looking at a depth chart containing Jones, Bynum, Cook, Osborne, Spiker, Lowe (assuming he stays at WR), Davis, and Ngata. All of these guys are high end potential players. So I think what you're going to see here is that we're going to continue to talk to Ngata and 2020 guys and not necessarily slow playing them per se, but being transparent with our depth. Decision points are going to come with how many of our current Jr's will leave this year (may open up another spot in 2019), does Jones leave early in 2020, and does Ngata come or not. For the last 2, that could lead to some higher numbers in the 2020 class. I suspect that we're going to be targeting the 2020 and 2021 classes very heavily here.
TE
Bryant being out for the year IMO likely will mean that we'll get some time this year from Devin Culp (although I could definitely see us being selective at when we use him to make sure that we're mainitaining his RS year). There's currently 7 scholarship TEs on the roster and only Sample is a Sr. Michael Neal is a grad transfer, forgive his senior season, or medically retire type guy IMO. This isn't a terribly urgent position for us in 2018 recruiting in that we have going into 2019 Bryant, Otton, Kizer, and Culp. Add into that that you also have Justiss Warren playing some FB and H-Back hybrid for us and there's definitely depth going into next year. Even if Bryant leaves early in 2019 (which I think is doubtful given his injury and the fact that TEs generally aren't early entry guys), you still have some solid depth going into 2020 with Otton/Kizer/Culp. If one of our top targets come in this class, I think you take them. If they don't, then I think you pass going into next year unless you can get a preferred walk-on type of steal. I suspect that we will get DJ Rogers in the 2020 class (and we should be going fairly hard after him in the back half of this year). It's a position where we likely need about 3 guys every 2 years or thereabouts from a recruiting standpoint.
OL
We currently have 15 scholarship guys on the roster. We're guaranteed to lose 4 guys out of this class in Adams, McGary, James, and Boomer. There are also candidates to move on in Roberts, Hilbers, and Burleson. So I do think that this is an area where we're going to throw some numbers in this class. There's an odd calm recruiting at this position right now under Huff that we're in a good spot. I think the interesting one to watch will be Bailey Elder. He's definitely in the wait and see camp right now in that IF Roberts, Hilbers, or Burleson leave early I could absolutely see Elder getting a spot. There's a bit of a void between classes in 2019 and 2020 where I would definitely err on the side of getting 1 too many earlier than later in recruiting. Obviously, the 2020 recruiting class is looking quite strong here as well. There will be some delicate balancing acts to have here.
DL
This is going to be a massive haul for us this year coming off of another massive haul last year. We're building Natty level DL classes. I definitely think we're going to be getting Tui. As Dennis alluded to, the tea leaves all look really favorable for UW. I think we would already have Wright in the boat IF we wanted to take it. It's a great indication of how things have changed in that we can play a slower game with some pretty damn good players because we're not sure if we're going to get better players and knowing that the really good players are content to wait the game of musical chairs. The depth chart highlights how insane the future looks. We have 9 scholarship players on the roster (10 if you include Bronson). We lose Greg and Jaylen after this year. Scrempos is another candidate to potentially grad transfer after this year, medically retire, etc. Stacking this class on last year was DESPERATELY needed and Malloe has delivered. Another consideration in this year's class will be what does the 2020 class look like. When looking at next year's board, and while I will defer to the experts to correct me if I'm wrong, it's not looking like a particularly strong West Coast DL class. So it's quite possible that we'll load up on numbers this year if we can.
BUCK
This will be interesting to watch. I like Trice's film and think we're in a decent spot for him. His offer list suggests that he's going to be a good one. The funny thing here is that we have numbers but we desperately need somebody or two to really step up. It's a position where I could definitely see some attrition coming as Myles Rice may be a candidate. It's quite possible that this is a position where there's some mix/match going on in a while where we're combining players that can play bigger and set the edge against more power type teams and then have some pass rushing specialist type players.
MIK/WIL/SAM
Grouping all of these positions together as you see players move between positions here much more often than at BUCK. What you learn looking at the depth chart is that it's a massive unknown. There's only 8 guys on scholarship here with BBK and Tevis graduating after this year. After that, both Beavers and Wellington graduate the year after. Ngata may move from BUCK to SAM to help with numbers. It definitely wouldn't surprise me if we ended up taking 4 here if we got all the guys that we wanted. I don't think we're going to go crazy reaching out into our Plan B guys. But if everybody on our board jumps on, then I think we'll take them all because not only are we going to be a in depth crunch soon, but there's obvious implications for Special Teams as well. This will also need to be an area of focus in 2020 depending on what happens in this class.
DB
I don't view this class as a make or break class given that we currently have 13 players on scholarship. There's definitely a risk for some attrition here as JoJo and Jordan graduate and there are early entry candidates in Rapp and Murphy. This year's class seems much more like a quantity over quality class which I'm ok with as that will help in 2020 recruiting as playing time discussions can be in play for 2020 kids when we'll lose Joyner and Bryant.
Conclusion
This year's class looks and feels like a transition class and needs to be judged in relation to the 2018 and 2020 classes. It's vital in this class that we have strong OL/DL classes and we're definitely on pace to do so. We also appear to be in a solid position with LB recruiting which is another area of need. We are well positioned with QB recruiting going forward and that was driven home in this class as our path to a National Title will require us winning at the QB position. Some positions that it may be questionable at what we're doing in this class it's important to start looking at how future classes stack up compared to our depth. Looking forward, I'm seeing National Title caliber positional groups at QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, and DB. The RB position is a work in process and really will depend on the 2020 class to see where we are going forward. The LB position looks P12 solid but not sure National level solid.
To me, this is where really looking at the roster comes in handy.
QB
Agree that we're done with Morris. There are 4 scholarship QBs on roster for 2019 already (Eason, Sirmon, Yankoff, Haener). I suspect that we're going to be in a position where there may be a QB transfer coming as soon as 2020 so it will be important to continue to have strong recruiting here in both the 2020 and 2021 classes (wouldn't shock me if we went after 3 in 2 years).
RB
The truth of Gaskin leaving after this year and Salvon the year after is a realistic one. What would remain assuming that we only take a single in this class for 2020 would be Sr's in Pleasant and McGrew, a RS Soph in Newton, and a possible RS Frosh in Davis. The reality is that this is a position that you can come in relatively early and contribute so the short-term urgency isn't as extreme as it woul be at other positions. My guess is that we're looking at going after 2-3 RBs in next year's class. Wild cards to all of this is the view on Boner and I don't think it's out of the range of possibility that Jamyn Patu very well may earn some playing time at some point. Also, it's worth considering whether or not Trey Lowe is a future RB or WR. If he's a RB, the numbers look better.
WR
This is a crazy position right now for UW. There are currently 11 scholarship WRs on the roster and none of those players are seniors (Chico's injury and playing time last year gave him a RS year). There are 4 Jr's on the roster (Chico, Fuller, Opera Singer, and Pounds). I could see at least one of them leaving after the season as a grad transfer somewhere. I think what you are seeing here and in the 2020 class is that we're really uncertain at what is going to happen numbers wise. We'll obviously take Ngata if he wants to come. But other than that, I think we're good this year because the numbers don't add up. As it comes to 2020, a lot will have to do again with who/what we have on roster. If you assume we get Ngata this year and Ty Jones stays 4 years, then going into the 2020 season you're looking at a depth chart containing Jones, Bynum, Cook, Osborne, Spiker, Lowe (assuming he stays at WR), Davis, and Ngata. All of these guys are high end potential players. So I think what you're going to see here is that we're going to continue to talk to Ngata and 2020 guys and not necessarily slow playing them per se, but being transparent with our depth. Decision points are going to come with how many of our current Jr's will leave this year (may open up another spot in 2019), does Jones leave early in 2020, and does Ngata come or not. For the last 2, that could lead to some higher numbers in the 2020 class. I suspect that we're going to be targeting the 2020 and 2021 classes very heavily here.
TE
Bryant being out for the year IMO likely will mean that we'll get some time this year from Devin Culp (although I could definitely see us being selective at when we use him to make sure that we're mainitaining his RS year). There's currently 7 scholarship TEs on the roster and only Sample is a Sr. Michael Neal is a grad transfer, forgive his senior season, or medically retire type guy IMO. This isn't a terribly urgent position for us in 2018 recruiting in that we have going into 2019 Bryant, Otton, Kizer, and Culp. Add into that that you also have Justiss Warren playing some FB and H-Back hybrid for us and there's definitely depth going into next year. Even if Bryant leaves early in 2019 (which I think is doubtful given his injury and the fact that TEs generally aren't early entry guys), you still have some solid depth going into 2020 with Otton/Kizer/Culp. If one of our top targets come in this class, I think you take them. If they don't, then I think you pass going into next year unless you can get a preferred walk-on type of steal. I suspect that we will get DJ Rogers in the 2020 class (and we should be going fairly hard after him in the back half of this year). It's a position where we likely need about 3 guys every 2 years or thereabouts from a recruiting standpoint.
OL
We currently have 15 scholarship guys on the roster. We're guaranteed to lose 4 guys out of this class in Adams, McGary, James, and Boomer. There are also candidates to move on in Roberts, Hilbers, and Burleson. So I do think that this is an area where we're going to throw some numbers in this class. There's an odd calm recruiting at this position right now under Huff that we're in a good spot. I think the interesting one to watch will be Bailey Elder. He's definitely in the wait and see camp right now in that IF Roberts, Hilbers, or Burleson leave early I could absolutely see Elder getting a spot. There's a bit of a void between classes in 2019 and 2020 where I would definitely err on the side of getting 1 too many earlier than later in recruiting. Obviously, the 2020 recruiting class is looking quite strong here as well. There will be some delicate balancing acts to have here.
DL
This is going to be a massive haul for us this year coming off of another massive haul last year. We're building Natty level DL classes. I definitely think we're going to be getting Tui. As Dennis alluded to, the tea leaves all look really favorable for UW. I think we would already have Wright in the boat IF we wanted to take it. It's a great indication of how things have changed in that we can play a slower game with some pretty damn good players because we're not sure if we're going to get better players and knowing that the really good players are content to wait the game of musical chairs. The depth chart highlights how insane the future looks. We have 9 scholarship players on the roster (10 if you include Bronson). We lose Greg and Jaylen after this year. Scrempos is another candidate to potentially grad transfer after this year, medically retire, etc. Stacking this class on last year was DESPERATELY needed and Malloe has delivered. Another consideration in this year's class will be what does the 2020 class look like. When looking at next year's board, and while I will defer to the experts to correct me if I'm wrong, it's not looking like a particularly strong West Coast DL class. So it's quite possible that we'll load up on numbers this year if we can.
BUCK
This will be interesting to watch. I like Trice's film and think we're in a decent spot for him. His offer list suggests that he's going to be a good one. The funny thing here is that we have numbers but we desperately need somebody or two to really step up. It's a position where I could definitely see some attrition coming as Myles Rice may be a candidate. It's quite possible that this is a position where there's some mix/match going on in a while where we're combining players that can play bigger and set the edge against more power type teams and then have some pass rushing specialist type players.
MIK/WIL/SAM
Grouping all of these positions together as you see players move between positions here much more often than at BUCK. What you learn looking at the depth chart is that it's a massive unknown. There's only 8 guys on scholarship here with BBK and Tevis graduating after this year. After that, both Beavers and Wellington graduate the year after. Ngata may move from BUCK to SAM to help with numbers. It definitely wouldn't surprise me if we ended up taking 4 here if we got all the guys that we wanted. I don't think we're going to go crazy reaching out into our Plan B guys. But if everybody on our board jumps on, then I think we'll take them all because not only are we going to be a in depth crunch soon, but there's obvious implications for Special Teams as well. This will also need to be an area of focus in 2020 depending on what happens in this class.
DB
I don't view this class as a make or break class given that we currently have 13 players on scholarship. There's definitely a risk for some attrition here as JoJo and Jordan graduate and there are early entry candidates in Rapp and Murphy. This year's class seems much more like a quantity over quality class which I'm ok with as that will help in 2020 recruiting as playing time discussions can be in play for 2020 kids when we'll lose Joyner and Bryant.
Conclusion
This year's class looks and feels like a transition class and needs to be judged in relation to the 2018 and 2020 classes. It's vital in this class that we have strong OL/DL classes and we're definitely on pace to do so. We also appear to be in a solid position with LB recruiting which is another area of need. We are well positioned with QB recruiting going forward and that was driven home in this class as our path to a National Title will require us winning at the QB position. Some positions that it may be questionable at what we're doing in this class it's important to start looking at how future classes stack up compared to our depth. Looking forward, I'm seeing National Title caliber positional groups at QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, and DB. The RB position is a work in process and really will depend on the 2020 class to see where we are going forward. The LB position looks P12 solid but not sure National level solid.
To me, this is where really looking at the roster comes in handy.
QB
Agree that we're done with Morris. There are 4 scholarship QBs on roster for 2019 already (Eason, Sirmon, Yankoff, Haener). I suspect that we're going to be in a position where there may be a QB transfer coming as soon as 2020 so it will be important to continue to have strong recruiting here in both the 2020 and 2021 classes (wouldn't shock me if we went after 3 in 2 years).
RB
The truth of Gaskin leaving after this year and Salvon the year after is a realistic one. What would remain assuming that we only take a single in this class for 2020 would be Sr's in Pleasant and McGrew, a RS Soph in Newton, and a possible RS Frosh in Davis. The reality is that this is a position that you can come in relatively early and contribute so the short-term urgency isn't as extreme as it woul be at other positions. My guess is that we're looking at going after 2-3 RBs in next year's class. Wild cards to all of this is the view on Boner and I don't think it's out of the range of possibility that Jamyn Patu very well may earn some playing time at some point. Also, it's worth considering whether or not Trey Lowe is a future RB or WR. If he's a RB, the numbers look better.
WR
This is a crazy position right now for UW. There are currently 11 scholarship WRs on the roster and none of those players are seniors (Chico's injury and playing time last year gave him a RS year). There are 4 Jr's on the roster (Chico, Fuller, Opera Singer, and Pounds). I could see at least one of them leaving after the season as a grad transfer somewhere. I think what you are seeing here and in the 2020 class is that we're really uncertain at what is going to happen numbers wise. We'll obviously take Ngata if he wants to come. But other than that, I think we're good this year because the numbers don't add up. As it comes to 2020, a lot will have to do again with who/what we have on roster. If you assume we get Ngata this year and Ty Jones stays 4 years, then going into the 2020 season you're looking at a depth chart containing Jones, Bynum, Cook, Osborne, Spiker, Lowe (assuming he stays at WR), Davis, and Ngata. All of these guys are high end potential players. So I think what you're going to see here is that we're going to continue to talk to Ngata and 2020 guys and not necessarily slow playing them per se, but being transparent with our depth. Decision points are going to come with how many of our current Jr's will leave this year (may open up another spot in 2019), does Jones leave early in 2020, and does Ngata come or not. For the last 2, that could lead to some higher numbers in the 2020 class. I suspect that we're going to be targeting the 2020 and 2021 classes very heavily here.
TE
Bryant being out for the year IMO likely will mean that we'll get some time this year from Devin Culp (although I could definitely see us being selective at when we use him to make sure that we're mainitaining his RS year). There's currently 7 scholarship TEs on the roster and only Sample is a Sr. Michael Neal is a grad transfer, forgive his senior season, or medically retire type guy IMO. This isn't a terribly urgent position for us in 2018 recruiting in that we have going into 2019 Bryant, Otton, Kizer, and Culp. Add into that that you also have Justiss Warren playing some FB and H-Back hybrid for us and there's definitely depth going into next year. Even if Bryant leaves early in 2019 (which I think is doubtful given his injury and the fact that TEs generally aren't early entry guys), you still have some solid depth going into 2020 with Otton/Kizer/Culp. If one of our top targets come in this class, I think you take them. If they don't, then I think you pass going into next year unless you can get a preferred walk-on type of steal. I suspect that we will get DJ Rogers in the 2020 class (and we should be going fairly hard after him in the back half of this year). It's a position where we likely need about 3 guys every 2 years or thereabouts from a recruiting standpoint.
OL
We currently have 15 scholarship guys on the roster. We're guaranteed to lose 4 guys out of this class in Adams, McGary, James, and Boomer. There are also candidates to move on in Roberts, Hilbers, and Burleson. So I do think that this is an area where we're going to throw some numbers in this class. There's an odd calm recruiting at this position right now under Huff that we're in a good spot. I think the interesting one to watch will be Bailey Elder. He's definitely in the wait and see camp right now in that IF Roberts, Hilbers, or Burleson leave early I could absolutely see Elder getting a spot. There's a bit of a void between classes in 2019 and 2020 where I would definitely err on the side of getting 1 too many earlier than later in recruiting. Obviously, the 2020 recruiting class is looking quite strong here as well. There will be some delicate balancing acts to have here.
DL
This is going to be a massive haul for us this year coming off of another massive haul last year. We're building Natty level DL classes. I definitely think we're going to be getting Tui. As Dennis alluded to, the tea leaves all look really favorable for UW. I think we would already have Wright in the boat IF we wanted to take it. It's a great indication of how things have changed in that we can play a slower game with some pretty damn good players because we're not sure if we're going to get better players and knowing that the really good players are content to wait the game of musical chairs. The depth chart highlights how insane the future looks. We have 9 scholarship players on the roster (10 if you include Bronson). We lose Greg and Jaylen after this year. Scrempos is another candidate to potentially grad transfer after this year, medically retire, etc. Stacking this class on last year was DESPERATELY needed and Malloe has delivered. Another consideration in this year's class will be what does the 2020 class look like. When looking at next year's board, and while I will defer to the experts to correct me if I'm wrong, it's not looking like a particularly strong West Coast DL class. So it's quite possible that we'll load up on numbers this year if we can.
BUCK
This will be interesting to watch. I like Trice's film and think we're in a decent spot for him. His offer list suggests that he's going to be a good one. The funny thing here is that we have numbers but we desperately need somebody or two to really step up. It's a position where I could definitely see some attrition coming as Myles Rice may be a candidate. It's quite possible that this is a position where there's some mix/match going on in a while where we're combining players that can play bigger and set the edge against more power type teams and then have some pass rushing specialist type players.
MIK/WIL/SAM
Grouping all of these positions together as you see players move between positions here much more often than at BUCK. What you learn looking at the depth chart is that it's a massive unknown. There's only 8 guys on scholarship here with BBK and Tevis graduating after this year. After that, both Beavers and Wellington graduate the year after. Ngata may move from BUCK to SAM to help with numbers. It definitely wouldn't surprise me if we ended up taking 4 here if we got all the guys that we wanted. I don't think we're going to go crazy reaching out into our Plan B guys. But if everybody on our board jumps on, then I think we'll take them all because not only are we going to be a in depth crunch soon, but there's obvious implications for Special Teams as well. This will also need to be an area of focus in 2020 depending on what happens in this class.
DB
I don't view this class as a make or break class given that we currently have 13 players on scholarship. There's definitely a risk for some attrition here as JoJo and Jordan graduate and there are early entry candidates in Rapp and Murphy. This year's class seems much more like a quantity over quality class which I'm ok with as that will help in 2020 recruiting as playing time discussions can be in play for 2020 kids when we'll lose Joyner and Bryant.
Conclusion
This year's class looks and feels like a transition class and needs to be judged in relation to the 2018 and 2020 classes. It's vital in this class that we have strong OL/DL classes and we're definitely on pace to do so. We also appear to be in a solid position with LB recruiting which is another area of need. We are well positioned with QB recruiting going forward and that was driven home in this class as our path to a National Title will require us winning at the QB position. Some positions that it may be questionable at what we're doing in this class it's important to start looking at how future classes stack up compared to our depth. Looking forward, I'm seeing National Title caliber positional groups at QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, and DB. The RB position is a work in process and really will depend on the 2020 class to see where we are going forward. The LB position looks P12 solid but not sure National level solid.
Quality post. One of your best ever. Almost like you're in the staff conferences on this shit. I'll take 1 quality post like this from you once a month than 5 whatever posts a week.
To me, this is where really looking at the roster comes in handy.
QB
Agree that we're done with Morris. There are 4 scholarship QBs on roster for 2019 already (Eason, Sirmon, Yankoff, Haener). I suspect that we're going to be in a position where there may be a QB transfer coming as soon as 2020 so it will be important to continue to have strong recruiting here in both the 2020 and 2021 classes (wouldn't shock me if we went after 3 in 2 years).
RB
The truth of Gaskin leaving after this year and Salvon the year after is a realistic one. What would remain assuming that we only take a single in this class for 2020 would be Sr's in Pleasant and McGrew, a RS Soph in Newton, and a possible RS Frosh in Davis. The reality is that this is a position that you can come in relatively early and contribute so the short-term urgency isn't as extreme as it woul be at other positions. My guess is that we're looking at going after 2-3 RBs in next year's class. Wild cards to all of this is the view on Boner and I don't think it's out of the range of possibility that Jamyn Patu very well may earn some playing time at some point. Also, it's worth considering whether or not Trey Lowe is a future RB or WR. If he's a RB, the numbers look better.
WR
This is a crazy position right now for UW. There are currently 11 scholarship WRs on the roster and none of those players are seniors (Chico's injury and playing time last year gave him a RS year). There are 4 Jr's on the roster (Chico, Fuller, Opera Singer, and Pounds). I could see at least one of them leaving after the season as a grad transfer somewhere. I think what you are seeing here and in the 2020 class is that we're really uncertain at what is going to happen numbers wise. We'll obviously take Ngata if he wants to come. But other than that, I think we're good this year because the numbers don't add up. As it comes to 2020, a lot will have to do again with who/what we have on roster. If you assume we get Ngata this year and Ty Jones stays 4 years, then going into the 2020 season you're looking at a depth chart containing Jones, Bynum, Cook, Osborne, Spiker, Lowe (assuming he stays at WR), Davis, and Ngata. All of these guys are high end potential players. So I think what you're going to see here is that we're going to continue to talk to Ngata and 2020 guys and not necessarily slow playing them per se, but being transparent with our depth. Decision points are going to come with how many of our current Jr's will leave this year (may open up another spot in 2019), does Jones leave early in 2020, and does Ngata come or not. For the last 2, that could lead to some higher numbers in the 2020 class. I suspect that we're going to be targeting the 2020 and 2021 classes very heavily here.
TE
Bryant being out for the year IMO likely will mean that we'll get some time this year from Devin Culp (although I could definitely see us being selective at when we use him to make sure that we're mainitaining his RS year). There's currently 7 scholarship TEs on the roster and only Sample is a Sr. Michael Neal is a grad transfer, forgive his senior season, or medically retire type guy IMO. This isn't a terribly urgent position for us in 2018 recruiting in that we have going into 2019 Bryant, Otton, Kizer, and Culp. Add into that that you also have Justiss Warren playing some FB and H-Back hybrid for us and there's definitely depth going into next year. Even if Bryant leaves early in 2019 (which I think is doubtful given his injury and the fact that TEs generally aren't early entry guys), you still have some solid depth going into 2020 with Otton/Kizer/Culp. If one of our top targets come in this class, I think you take them. If they don't, then I think you pass going into next year unless you can get a preferred walk-on type of steal. I suspect that we will get DJ Rogers in the 2020 class (and we should be going fairly hard after him in the back half of this year). It's a position where we likely need about 3 guys every 2 years or thereabouts from a recruiting standpoint.
OL
We currently have 15 scholarship guys on the roster. We're guaranteed to lose 4 guys out of this class in Adams, McGary, James, and Boomer. There are also candidates to move on in Roberts, Hilbers, and Burleson. So I do think that this is an area where we're going to throw some numbers in this class. There's an odd calm recruiting at this position right now under Huff that we're in a good spot. I think the interesting one to watch will be Bailey Elder. He's definitely in the wait and see camp right now in that IF Roberts, Hilbers, or Burleson leave early I could absolutely see Elder getting a spot. There's a bit of a void between classes in 2019 and 2020 where I would definitely err on the side of getting 1 too many earlier than later in recruiting. Obviously, the 2020 recruiting class is looking quite strong here as well. There will be some delicate balancing acts to have here.
DL
This is going to be a massive haul for us this year coming off of another massive haul last year. We're building Natty level DL classes. I definitely think we're going to be getting Tui. As Dennis alluded to, the tea leaves all look really favorable for UW. I think we would already have Wright in the boat IF we wanted to take it. It's a great indication of how things have changed in that we can play a slower game with some pretty damn good players because we're not sure if we're going to get better players and knowing that the really good players are content to wait the game of musical chairs. The depth chart highlights how insane the future looks. We have 9 scholarship players on the roster (10 if you include Bronson). We lose Greg and Jaylen after this year. Scrempos is another candidate to potentially grad transfer after this year, medically retire, etc. Stacking this class on last year was DESPERATELY needed and Malloe has delivered. Another consideration in this year's class will be what does the 2020 class look like. When looking at next year's board, and while I will defer to the experts to correct me if I'm wrong, it's not looking like a particularly strong West Coast DL class. So it's quite possible that we'll load up on numbers this year if we can.
BUCK
This will be interesting to watch. I like Trice's film and think we're in a decent spot for him. His offer list suggests that he's going to be a good one. The funny thing here is that we have numbers but we desperately need somebody or two to really step up. It's a position where I could definitely see some attrition coming as Myles Rice may be a candidate. It's quite possible that this is a position where there's some mix/match going on in a while where we're combining players that can play bigger and set the edge against more power type teams and then have some pass rushing specialist type players.
MIK/WIL/SAM
Grouping all of these positions together as you see players move between positions here much more often than at BUCK. What you learn looking at the depth chart is that it's a massive unknown. There's only 8 guys on scholarship here with BBK and Tevis graduating after this year. After that, both Beavers and Wellington graduate the year after. Ngata may move from BUCK to SAM to help with numbers. It definitely wouldn't surprise me if we ended up taking 4 here if we got all the guys that we wanted. I don't think we're going to go crazy reaching out into our Plan B guys. But if everybody on our board jumps on, then I think we'll take them all because not only are we going to be a in depth crunch soon, but there's obvious implications for Special Teams as well. This will also need to be an area of focus in 2020 depending on what happens in this class.
DB
I don't view this class as a make or break class given that we currently have 13 players on scholarship. There's definitely a risk for some attrition here as JoJo and Jordan graduate and there are early entry candidates in Rapp and Murphy. This year's class seems much more like a quantity over quality class which I'm ok with as that will help in 2020 recruiting as playing time discussions can be in play for 2020 kids when we'll lose Joyner and Bryant.
Conclusion
This year's class looks and feels like a transition class and needs to be judged in relation to the 2018 and 2020 classes. It's vital in this class that we have strong OL/DL classes and we're definitely on pace to do so. We also appear to be in a solid position with LB recruiting which is another area of need. We are well positioned with QB recruiting going forward and that was driven home in this class as our path to a National Title will require us winning at the QB position. Some positions that it may be questionable at what we're doing in this class it's important to start looking at how future classes stack up compared to our depth. Looking forward, I'm seeing National Title caliber positional groups at QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, and DB. The RB position is a work in process and really will depend on the 2020 class to see where we are going forward. The LB position looks P12 solid but not sure National level solid.
I cannot help myself. When I read "winning at the QB position" I immediately thought of the greatest QB in UW history. Better than Mariota and Rosen and all those guys. Mariota made the natty and didn't have the same roster Jake will carry day in day out. You can put it in the books: THIS is the year. All hail our? supreme Jake overlord.
So I know I did one of these back in like February but I can't find it so we'll start from scratch. I really don't know how many schollies we're going to have available so I'm just going to use last year's 21 as a starting place. Obviously more or less kids could make a big impact on the accuracy of this projection. Kids in bold are kids I'm projecting to be added to the class.
RB Current Commits: Cameron Davis Projected signee total: 1 What's left: No idea who we end up with here, I just can't imagine us only signing one given the makeup of the roster and the depth of the RB class. I could see us settling for Taron Madison maybe? You know what, let's say we're just getting one.
WR Current Commits: Taj Davis Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Joe Ngata. Probably just signing one if we don't get him. Coin flip between us and Clemson at this point. I believe in Lubick. The rare out of state recruit where I think the longer he waits to commit the better that bodes for us.
OL Current Commits: Kalepo the GOAT, Corey Luciano (JUCO) Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Julius Buelow, Troy Fautanu, Bailey Elder (not offered) Analysis: Fautanu is underrated and might be easier to close than he should be. Buelow's not but I like our chances anyway. Ultimately I'm guessing we cap the class there though I'd love to see them go 5 and add Elder. There are a few other guys out there we could pull if need be (Barrett Miller) but I think this will be it.
TE Current Commits: none Projected signee total: 1 What's left: Isaiah Foskey, Jude Wolfe, some lesser rated WTEs that we'll end up signing one of and sending to the NFL. Foskey would be chincredible.
DL Current Commits: Sama Paama, Noa Ngalu Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Faatui Tutele, Jacob Bandes, Apu Ika, Stephon Wright Analysis: Could see us taking any two of the above four and would be thrilled with any combo. Tutele is the big prize and I think we have a real shot but until we start signing out of state 5 stars I'm going to expect us to miss on them. But man I want that kid.
OLB Current Commits: Alphonzo Tuputala Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Bralen Trice, Treven Ma'ae, Colt Ellison (lol), Drake Jackson Analysis: Trice is the guy we seem to want the least, so yeah.
ILB Current Commits: Miki Ah You Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Daniel Heimuli, Maninoa Tufono Analysis: Love to get them both, don't see how they all fit.
DB Current Commits: Kamren Fabiculanan Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Darien Chase, Cameron Williams, Spam Chancellor, Trent McDuffie Analysis: I'd gladly take any 3 of the above 4, McDuffie seems least likely.
To me, this is where really looking at the roster comes in handy.
QB
Agree that we're done with Morris. There are 4 scholarship QBs on roster for 2019 already (Eason, Sirmon, Yankoff, Haener). I suspect that we're going to be in a position where there may be a QB transfer coming as soon as 2020 so it will be important to continue to have strong recruiting here in both the 2020 and 2021 classes (wouldn't shock me if we went after 3 in 2 years).
RB
The truth of Gaskin leaving after this year and Salvon the year after is a realistic one. What would remain assuming that we only take a single in this class for 2020 would be Sr's in Pleasant and McGrew, a RS Soph in Newton, and a possible RS Frosh in Davis. The reality is that this is a position that you can come in relatively early and contribute so the short-term urgency isn't as extreme as it woul be at other positions. My guess is that we're looking at going after 2-3 RBs in next year's class. Wild cards to all of this is the view on Boner and I don't think it's out of the range of possibility that Jamyn Patu very well may earn some playing time at some point. Also, it's worth considering whether or not Trey Lowe is a future RB or WR. If he's a RB, the numbers look better.
WR
This is a crazy position right now for UW. There are currently 11 scholarship WRs on the roster and none of those players are seniors (Chico's injury and playing time last year gave him a RS year). There are 4 Jr's on the roster (Chico, Fuller, Opera Singer, and Pounds). I could see at least one of them leaving after the season as a grad transfer somewhere. I think what you are seeing here and in the 2020 class is that we're really uncertain at what is going to happen numbers wise. We'll obviously take Ngata if he wants to come. But other than that, I think we're good this year because the numbers don't add up. As it comes to 2020, a lot will have to do again with who/what we have on roster. If you assume we get Ngata this year and Ty Jones stays 4 years, then going into the 2020 season you're looking at a depth chart containing Jones, Bynum, Cook, Osborne, Spiker, Lowe (assuming he stays at WR), Davis, and Ngata. All of these guys are high end potential players. So I think what you're going to see here is that we're going to continue to talk to Ngata and 2020 guys and not necessarily slow playing them per se, but being transparent with our depth. Decision points are going to come with how many of our current Jr's will leave this year (may open up another spot in 2019), does Jones leave early in 2020, and does Ngata come or not. For the last 2, that could lead to some higher numbers in the 2020 class. I suspect that we're going to be targeting the 2020 and 2021 classes very heavily here.
TE
Bryant being out for the year IMO likely will mean that we'll get some time this year from Devin Culp (although I could definitely see us being selective at when we use him to make sure that we're mainitaining his RS year). There's currently 7 scholarship TEs on the roster and only Sample is a Sr. Michael Neal is a grad transfer, forgive his senior season, or medically retire type guy IMO. This isn't a terribly urgent position for us in 2018 recruiting in that we have going into 2019 Bryant, Otton, Kizer, and Culp. Add into that that you also have Justiss Warren playing some FB and H-Back hybrid for us and there's definitely depth going into next year. Even if Bryant leaves early in 2019 (which I think is doubtful given his injury and the fact that TEs generally aren't early entry guys), you still have some solid depth going into 2020 with Otton/Kizer/Culp. If one of our top targets come in this class, I think you take them. If they don't, then I think you pass going into next year unless you can get a preferred walk-on type of steal. I suspect that we will get DJ Rogers in the 2020 class (and we should be going fairly hard after him in the back half of this year). It's a position where we likely need about 3 guys every 2 years or thereabouts from a recruiting standpoint.
OL
We currently have 15 scholarship guys on the roster. We're guaranteed to lose 4 guys out of this class in Adams, McGary, James, and Boomer. There are also candidates to move on in Roberts, Hilbers, and Burleson. So I do think that this is an area where we're going to throw some numbers in this class. There's an odd calm recruiting at this position right now under Huff that we're in a good spot. I think the interesting one to watch will be Bailey Elder. He's definitely in the wait and see camp right now in that IF Roberts, Hilbers, or Burleson leave early I could absolutely see Elder getting a spot. There's a bit of a void between classes in 2019 and 2020 where I would definitely err on the side of getting 1 too many earlier than later in recruiting. Obviously, the 2020 recruiting class is looking quite strong here as well. There will be some delicate balancing acts to have here.
DL
This is going to be a massive haul for us this year coming off of another massive haul last year. We're building Natty level DL classes. I definitely think we're going to be getting Tui. As Dennis alluded to, the tea leaves all look really favorable for UW. I think we would already have Wright in the boat IF we wanted to take it. It's a great indication of how things have changed in that we can play a slower game with some pretty damn good players because we're not sure if we're going to get better players and knowing that the really good players are content to wait the game of musical chairs. The depth chart highlights how insane the future looks. We have 9 scholarship players on the roster (10 if you include Bronson). We lose Greg and Jaylen after this year. Scrempos is another candidate to potentially grad transfer after this year, medically retire, etc. Stacking this class on last year was DESPERATELY needed and Malloe has delivered. Another consideration in this year's class will be what does the 2020 class look like. When looking at next year's board, and while I will defer to the experts to correct me if I'm wrong, it's not looking like a particularly strong West Coast DL class. So it's quite possible that we'll load up on numbers this year if we can.
BUCK
This will be interesting to watch. I like Trice's film and think we're in a decent spot for him. His offer list suggests that he's going to be a good one. The funny thing here is that we have numbers but we desperately need somebody or two to really step up. It's a position where I could definitely see some attrition coming as Myles Rice may be a candidate. It's quite possible that this is a position where there's some mix/match going on in a while where we're combining players that can play bigger and set the edge against more power type teams and then have some pass rushing specialist type players.
MIK/WIL/SAM
Grouping all of these positions together as you see players move between positions here much more often than at BUCK. What you learn looking at the depth chart is that it's a massive unknown. There's only 8 guys on scholarship here with BBK and Tevis graduating after this year. After that, both Beavers and Wellington graduate the year after. Ngata may move from BUCK to SAM to help with numbers. It definitely wouldn't surprise me if we ended up taking 4 here if we got all the guys that we wanted. I don't think we're going to go crazy reaching out into our Plan B guys. But if everybody on our board jumps on, then I think we'll take them all because not only are we going to be a in depth crunch soon, but there's obvious implications for Special Teams as well. This will also need to be an area of focus in 2020 depending on what happens in this class.
DB
I don't view this class as a make or break class given that we currently have 13 players on scholarship. There's definitely a risk for some attrition here as JoJo and Jordan graduate and there are early entry candidates in Rapp and Murphy. This year's class seems much more like a quantity over quality class which I'm ok with as that will help in 2020 recruiting as playing time discussions can be in play for 2020 kids when we'll lose Joyner and Bryant.
Conclusion
This year's class looks and feels like a transition class and needs to be judged in relation to the 2018 and 2020 classes. It's vital in this class that we have strong OL/DL classes and we're definitely on pace to do so. We also appear to be in a solid position with LB recruiting which is another area of need. We are well positioned with QB recruiting going forward and that was driven home in this class as our path to a National Title will require us winning at the QB position. Some positions that it may be questionable at what we're doing in this class it's important to start looking at how future classes stack up compared to our depth. Looking forward, I'm seeing National Title caliber positional groups at QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, and DB. The RB position is a work in process and really will depend on the 2020 class to see where we are going forward. The LB position looks P12 solid but not sure National level solid.
So I know I did one of these back in like February but I can't find it so we'll start from scratch. I really don't know how many schollies we're going to have available so I'm just going to use last year's 21 as a starting place. Obviously more or less kids could make a big impact on the accuracy of this projection. Kids in bold are kids I'm projecting to be added to the class.
RB Current Commits: Cameron Davis Projected signee total: 1 What's left: No idea who we end up with here, I just can't imagine us only signing one given the makeup of the roster and the depth of the RB class. I could see us settling for Taron Madison maybe? You know what, let's say we're just getting one.
WR Current Commits: Taj Davis Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Joe Ngata. Probably just signing one if we don't get him. Coin flip between us and Clemson at this point. I believe in Lubick. The rare out of state recruit where I think the longer he waits to commit the better that bodes for us.
OL Current Commits: Kalepo the GOAT, Corey Luciano (JUCO) Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Julius Buelow, Troy Fautanu, Bailey Elder (not offered) Analysis: Fautanu is underrated and might be easier to close than he should be. Buelow's not but I like our chances anyway. Ultimately I'm guessing we cap the class there though I'd love to see them go 5 and add Elder. There are a few other guys out there we could pull if need be (Barrett Miller) but I think this will be it.
TE Current Commits: none Projected signee total: 1 What's left: Isaiah Foskey, Jude Wolfe, some lesser rated WTEs that we'll end up signing one of and sending to the NFL. Foskey would be chincredible.
DL Current Commits: Sama Paama, Noa Ngalu Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Faatui Tutele, Jacob Bandes, Apu Ika, Stephon Wright Analysis: Could see us taking any two of the above four and would be thrilled with any combo. Tutele is the big prize and I think we have a real shot but until we start signing out of state 5 stars I'm going to expect us to miss on them. But man I want that kid.
OLB Current Commits: Alphonzo Tuputala Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Bralen Trice, Treven Ma'ae, Colt Ellison (lol), Drake Jackson Analysis: Trice is the guy we seem to want the least, so yeah.
ILB Current Commits: Miki Ah You Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Daniel Heimuli, Maninoa Tufono Analysis: Love to get them both, don't see how they all fit.
DB Current Commits: Kamren Fabiculanan Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Darien Chase, Cameron Williams, Spam Chancellor, Trent McDuffie Analysis: I'd gladly take any 3 of the above 4, McDuffie seems least likely.
Fuck it. I think Huff and Malloe can recruit their asses off. Go big or go home! Mock class 2.0.
QB: Dylan Morris RB: Cameron Davis WR: Taj Davis WR: Joe Ngata OL: Nate Kalepo OL: Corey Luciano OL: Sama Pa'ama OL: Julius Buelow OL: Sean Rhyan OL: Enokk Vimahi (Mission)
DB: Kamren Fabiculanan DB: Asa Turner DB: Cameron Williams DB: Trent McDuffie ILB: Miki Ah You ILB: Daniel Heimuli SAM: Jordan Lolohea BUCK/DL: Alphonzo Tuputala BUCK: Laiatu Latu NT/DT: Jacob Bandes DT: Noa Ngalu DT: Faatui Tuitele DT/DE: Stephon Wright
Fuck it. I think Huff and Malloe can recruit their asses off. Go big or go home! Mock class 2.0.
QB: Dylan Morris RB: Cameron Davis WR: Taj Davis WR: Joe Ngata OL: Nate Kalepo OL: Corey Luciano OL: Sama Pa'ama OL: Julius Buelow OL: Sean Rhyan OL: Enokk Vimahi (Mission)
DB: Kamren Fabiculanan DB: Asa Turner DB: Cameron Williams DB: Trent McDuffie ILB: Miki Ah You ILB: Daniel Heimuli SAM: Jordan Lolohea BUCK/DL: Alphonzo Tuputala BUCK: Laiatu Latu NT/DT: Jacob Bandes DT: Noa Ngalu DT: Faatui Tuitele DT/DE: Stephon Wright
Fuck it. I think Huff and Malloe can recruit their asses off. Go big or go home! Mock class 2.0.
QB: Dylan Morris RB: Cameron Davis WR: Taj Davis WR: Joe Ngata OL: Nate Kalepo OL: Corey Luciano OL: Sama Pa'ama OL: Julius Buelow OL: Sean Rhyan OL: Enokk Vimahi (Mission)
DB: Kamren Fabiculanan DB: Asa Turner DB: Cameron Williams DB: Trent McDuffie ILB: Miki Ah You ILB: Daniel Heimuli SAM: Jordan Lolohea BUCK/DL: Alphonzo Tuputala BUCK: Laiatu Latu NT/DT: Jacob Bandes DT: Noa Ngalu DT: Faatui Tuitele DT/DE: Stephon Wright
So I know I did one of these back in like February but I can't find it so we'll start from scratch. I really don't know how many schollies we're going to have available so I'm just going to use last year's 21 as a starting place. Obviously more or less kids could make a big impact on the accuracy of this projection. Kids in bold are kids I'm projecting to be added to the class.
RB Current Commits: Cameron Davis Projected signee total: 1 What's left: No idea who we end up with here, I just can't imagine us only signing one given the makeup of the roster and the depth of the RB class. I could see us settling for Taron Madison maybe? You know what, let's say we're just getting one.
WR Current Commits: Taj Davis Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Joe Ngata. Probably just signing one if we don't get him. Coin flip between us and Clemson at this point. I believe in Lubick. The rare out of state recruit where I think the longer he waits to commit the better that bodes for us.
OL Current Commits: Kalepo the GOAT, Corey Luciano (JUCO) Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Julius Buelow, Troy Fautanu, Bailey Elder (not offered) Analysis: Fautanu is underrated and might be easier to close than he should be. Buelow's not but I like our chances anyway. Ultimately I'm guessing we cap the class there though I'd love to see them go 5 and add Elder. There are a few other guys out there we could pull if need be (Barrett Miller) but I think this will be it.
TE Current Commits: none Projected signee total: 1 What's left: Isaiah Foskey, Jude Wolfe, some lesser rated WTEs that we'll end up signing one of and sending to the NFL. Foskey would be chincredible.
DL Current Commits: Sama Paama, Noa Ngalu Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Faatui Tutele, Jacob Bandes, Apu Ika, Stephon Wright Analysis: Could see us taking any two of the above four and would be thrilled with any combo. Tutele is the big prize and I think we have a real shot but until we start signing out of state 5 stars I'm going to expect us to miss on them. But man I want that kid.
OLB Current Commits: Alphonzo Tuputala Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Bralen Trice, Treven Ma'ae, Colt Ellison (lol), Drake Jackson Analysis: Trice is the guy we seem to want the least, so yeah.
ILB Current Commits: Miki Ah You Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Daniel Heimuli, Maninoa Tufono Analysis: Love to get them both, don't see how they all fit.
DB Current Commits: Kamren Fabiculanan Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Darien Chase, Cameron Williams, Spam Chancellor, Trent McDuffie Analysis: I'd gladly take any 3 of the above 4, McDuffie seems least likely.
So I know I did one of these back in like February but I can't find it so we'll start from scratch. I really don't know how many schollies we're going to have available so I'm just going to use last year's 21 as a starting place. Obviously more or less kids could make a big impact on the accuracy of this projection. Kids in bold are kids I'm projecting to be added to the class.
RB Current Commits: Cameron Davis Projected signee total: 1 What's left: No idea who we end up with here, I just can't imagine us only signing one given the makeup of the roster and the depth of the RB class. I could see us settling for Taron Madison maybe? You know what, let's say we're just getting one.
WR Current Commits: Taj Davis Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Joe Ngata. Probably just signing one if we don't get him. Coin flip between us and Clemson at this point. I believe in Lubick. The rare out of state recruit where I think the longer he waits to commit the better that bodes for us.
OL Current Commits: Kalepo the GOAT, Corey Luciano (JUCO) Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Julius Buelow, Troy Fautanu, Bailey Elder (not offered) Analysis: Fautanu is underrated and might be easier to close than he should be. Buelow's not but I like our chances anyway. Ultimately I'm guessing we cap the class there though I'd love to see them go 5 and add Elder. There are a few other guys out there we could pull if need be (Barrett Miller) but I think this will be it.
TE Current Commits: none Projected signee total: 1 What's left: Isaiah Foskey, Jude Wolfe, some lesser rated WTEs that we'll end up signing one of and sending to the NFL. Foskey would be chincredible.
DL Current Commits: Sama Paama, Noa Ngalu Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Faatui Tutele, Jacob Bandes, Apu Ika, Stephon Wright Analysis: Could see us taking any two of the above four and would be thrilled with any combo. Tutele is the big prize and I think we have a real shot but until we start signing out of state 5 stars I'm going to expect us to miss on them. But man I want that kid.
OLB Current Commits: Alphonzo Tuputala Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Bralen Trice, Treven Ma'ae, Colt Ellison (lol), Drake Jackson Analysis: Trice is the guy we seem to want the least, so yeah.
ILB Current Commits: Miki Ah You Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Daniel Heimuli, Maninoa Tufono Analysis: Love to get them both, don't see how they all fit.
DB Current Commits: Kamren Fabiculanan Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Darien Chase, Cameron Williams, Spam Chancellor, Trent McDuffie Analysis: I'd gladly take any 3 of the above 4, McDuffie seems least likely.
So I know I did one of these back in like February but I can't find it so we'll start from scratch. I really don't know how many schollies we're going to have available so I'm just going to use last year's 21 as a starting place. Obviously more or less kids could make a big impact on the accuracy of this projection. Kids in bold are kids I'm projecting to be added to the class.
RB Current Commits: Cameron Davis Projected signee total: 1 What's left: No idea who we end up with here, I just can't imagine us only signing one given the makeup of the roster and the depth of the RB class. I could see us settling for Taron Madison maybe? You know what, let's say we're just getting one.
WR Current Commits: Taj Davis Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Joe Ngata. Probably just signing one if we don't get him. Coin flip between us and Clemson at this point. I believe in Lubick. The rare out of state recruit where I think the longer he waits to commit the better that bodes for us.
OL Current Commits: Kalepo the GOAT, Corey Luciano (JUCO) Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Julius Buelow, Troy Fautanu, Bailey Elder (not offered) Analysis: Fautanu is underrated and might be easier to close than he should be. Buelow's not but I like our chances anyway. Ultimately I'm guessing we cap the class there though I'd love to see them go 5 and add Elder. There are a few other guys out there we could pull if need be (Barrett Miller) but I think this will be it.
TE Current Commits: none Projected signee total: 1 What's left: Isaiah Foskey, Jude Wolfe, some lesser rated WTEs that we'll end up signing one of and sending to the NFL. Foskey would be chincredible.
DL Current Commits: Sama Paama, Noa Ngalu Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Faatui Tutele, Jacob Bandes, Apu Ika, Stephon Wright Analysis: Could see us taking any two of the above four and would be thrilled with any combo. Tutele is the big prize and I think we have a real shot but until we start signing out of state 5 stars I'm going to expect us to miss on them. But man I want that kid.
OLB Current Commits: Alphonzo Tuputala Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Bralen Trice, Treven Ma'ae, Colt Ellison (lol), Drake Jackson Analysis: Trice is the guy we seem to want the least, so yeah.
ILB Current Commits: Miki Ah You Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Daniel Heimuli, Maninoa Tufono Analysis: Love to get them both, don't see how they all fit.
DB Current Commits: Kamren Fabiculanan Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Darien Chase, Cameron Williams, Spam Chancellor, Trent McDuffie Analysis: I'd gladly take any 3 of the above 4, McDuffie seems least likely.
This puts us at 22, and doesn't include Jordan Lolohea who I'd like to still add. Scholarship limitations are a bitch.
Spam Chancellor (IEAWSHJC) and Timothy Horn in the boat.
2-2 so far.
#JustHereToBeatMyChest
Add C-Willy. 3-3.
With Ngata off the bored (for now?) I'm down to 3 for 4.
Currently by 247 we 7 four stars and 6 three stars (4 and 9 by composite). If the rest of my projected class were to come in that would have us taking 8 more for a class of 21. Of those 8 I only have 7 named (I projected us taking a TE but didn't guess which one). Of those 7, only Heimul has a discrepancy between 247 and composite, with him a 3 star on 247 but 4 on composite. Together they would add 4 4 stars by 247 (5 if the TE is a 4 star) and 5 4 stars by composite.
This would put our class at 11 247 four stars and 9 composite 4 stars, with a TE potentially making that 12 and 10, and if Ah You gets his rumored 247 bump that would put it at 12 or 13 247 four stars and 9 or 10 composite.
Interestingly Tufono is also a 3 by 247 but 4 by composite, so swapping him and Heimuli doesn't affect the totals.
Also interestingly Tuitele is down to a 4 star by both composite and 247 so swapping he or Ika in for either of the DL doesn't affect anything number wise either.
The biggest wild cards left seem to be:
Will we take a TE? If so, who?
Will we take another WR (please no unless it's Joe)? This would seem to almost certainly be a 3 star if they did.
How many more DL, OL and LB do we take?
But even with those wild card I think it's safe to expect a range of 11 to 13 247 4 stars and 8 to 10 composite 4 stars.
So I know I did one of these back in like February but I can't find it so we'll start from scratch. I really don't know how many schollies we're going to have available so I'm just going to use last year's 21 as a starting place. Obviously more or less kids could make a big impact on the accuracy of this projection. Kids in bold are kids I'm projecting to be added to the class.
RB Current Commits: Cameron Davis Projected signee total: 1 What's left: No idea who we end up with here, I just can't imagine us only signing one given the makeup of the roster and the depth of the RB class. I could see us settling for Taron Madison maybe? You know what, let's say we're just getting one.
WR Current Commits: Taj Davis Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Joe Ngata. Probably just signing one if we don't get him. Coin flip between us and Clemson at this point. I believe in Lubick. The rare out of state recruit where I think the longer he waits to commit the better that bodes for us.
OL Current Commits: Kalepo the GOAT, Corey Luciano (JUCO) Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Julius Buelow, Troy Fautanu, Bailey Elder (not offered) Analysis: Fautanu is underrated and might be easier to close than he should be. Buelow's not but I like our chances anyway. Ultimately I'm guessing we cap the class there though I'd love to see them go 5 and add Elder. There are a few other guys out there we could pull if need be (Barrett Miller) but I think this will be it.
TE Current Commits: none Projected signee total: 1 What's left: Isaiah Foskey, Jude Wolfe, some lesser rated WTEs that we'll end up signing one of and sending to the NFL. Foskey would be chincredible.
DL Current Commits: Sama Paama, Noa Ngalu Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Faatui Tutele, Jacob Bandes, Apu Ika, Stephon Wright Analysis: Could see us taking any two of the above four and would be thrilled with any combo. Tutele is the big prize and I think we have a real shot but until we start signing out of state 5 stars I'm going to expect us to miss on them. But man I want that kid.
OLB Current Commits: Alphonzo Tuputala Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Bralen Trice, Treven Ma'ae, Colt Ellison (lol), Drake Jackson Analysis: Trice is the guy we seem to want the least, so yeah.
ILB Current Commits: Miki Ah You Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Daniel Heimuli, Maninoa Tufono Analysis: Love to get them both, don't see how they all fit.
DB Current Commits: Kamren Fabiculanan Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Darien Chase, Cameron Williams, Spam Chancellor, Trent McDuffie Analysis: I'd gladly take any 3 of the above 4, McDuffie seems least likely.
This puts us at 22, and doesn't include Jordan Lolohea who I'd like to still add. Scholarship limitations are a bitch.
Done: QB, Specialists
Likely done: RB, WR
Maybe done: TE
What's left:
OL: Going to take one or two (hopefully two) more. Buelow looks really good. Fautanu looks possible. Vimahi looks really good, possible mission kid. Possibly could take all three if Vimahi is confirmed mission.
That's it on the offensive side unless somehow Foskey happens there's a different surprise at TE, or at RB or WR.
DL: Once Bandes commits today that will give me 4 out of 5 from this projection (Ngata being the whiff). Wright still looks like a good chance, and Tuitele seems a legit chance as well. Ika is pretty unlikely. Is there any way we would take Bandes, Wright and Tuitele? I can't see how but I can't see telling any of them no either. EWIWBC
ILB: Heimuli seems a heavy UW lean. Tufono seems destined to play for Hawaii at this point. Sad.
OLB: Trice seems to be trending Oregon which, SarkShrug.gif. Who knows what we do here. Seems we definitely need somebody at Buck. Could be a late surprise we steal from a lesser schools commit list ala Tryon/Tafisi.
DB: Doesn't look like Chase has a committable offer at this point but I still think he could be the guy if we whiff on some higher targets. Looks like we need a CB with McDuffie highest on our list, then maybe Javin Wright? LPJ still lurking in the shadows. I trust in Damaged Goods so I'm sure we'll be fine here.
Next to commit: Bandes obvs
After that: Heimuli, Wright, Buelow (not necessarily in order)
So I know I did one of these back in like February but I can't find it so we'll start from scratch. I really don't know how many schollies we're going to have available so I'm just going to use last year's 21 as a starting place. Obviously more or less kids could make a big impact on the accuracy of this projection. Kids in bold are kids I'm projecting to be added to the class.
RB Current Commits: Cameron Davis Projected signee total: 1 What's left: No idea who we end up with here, I just can't imagine us only signing one given the makeup of the roster and the depth of the RB class. I could see us settling for Taron Madison maybe? You know what, let's say we're just getting one.
WR Current Commits: Taj Davis Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Joe Ngata. Probably just signing one if we don't get him. Coin flip between us and Clemson at this point. I believe in Lubick. The rare out of state recruit where I think the longer he waits to commit the better that bodes for us.
OL Current Commits: Kalepo the GOAT, Corey Luciano (JUCO) Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Julius Buelow, Troy Fautanu, Bailey Elder (not offered) Analysis: Fautanu is underrated and might be easier to close than he should be. Buelow's not but I like our chances anyway. Ultimately I'm guessing we cap the class there though I'd love to see them go 5 and add Elder. There are a few other guys out there we could pull if need be (Barrett Miller) but I think this will be it.
TE Current Commits: none Projected signee total: 1 What's left: Isaiah Foskey, Jude Wolfe, some lesser rated WTEs that we'll end up signing one of and sending to the NFL. Foskey would be chincredible.
DL Current Commits: Sama Paama, Noa Ngalu Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Faatui Tutele, Jacob Bandes, Apu Ika, Stephon Wright Analysis: Could see us taking any two of the above four and would be thrilled with any combo. Tutele is the big prize and I think we have a real shot but until we start signing out of state 5 stars I'm going to expect us to miss on them. But man I want that kid.
OLB Current Commits: Alphonzo Tuputala Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Bralen Trice, Treven Ma'ae, Colt Ellison (lol), Drake Jackson Analysis: Trice is the guy we seem to want the least, so yeah.
ILB Current Commits: Miki Ah You Projected signee total: 2 What's left: Daniel Heimuli, Maninoa Tufono Analysis: Love to get them both, don't see how they all fit.
DB Current Commits: Kamren Fabiculanan Projected signee total: 4 What's left: Darien Chase, Cameron Williams, Spam Chancellor, Trent McDuffie Analysis: I'd gladly take any 3 of the above 4, McDuffie seems least likely.
This puts us at 22, and doesn't include Jordan Lolohea who I'd like to still add. Scholarship limitations are a bitch.
Done: QB, Specialists
Likely done: RB, WR
Maybe done: TE
What's left:
OL: Going to take one or two (hopefully two) more. Buelow looks really good. Fautanu looks possible. Vimahi looks really good, possible mission kid. Possibly could take all three if Vimahi is confirmed mission.
That's it on the offensive side unless somehow Foskey happens there's a different surprise at TE, or at RB or WR.
DL: Once Bandes commits today that will give me 4 out of 5 from this projection (Ngata being the whiff). Wright still looks like a good chance, and Tuitele seems a legit chance as well. Ika is pretty unlikely. Is there any way we would take Bandes, Wright and Tuitele? I can't see how but I can't see telling any of them no either. EWIWBC
ILB: Heimuli seems a heavy UW lean. Tufono seems destined to play for Hawaii at this point. Sad.
OLB: Trice seems to be trending Oregon which, SarkShrug.gif. Who knows what we do here. Seems we definitely need somebody at Buck. Could be a late surprise we steal from a lesser schools commit list ala Tryon/Tafisi.
DB: Doesn't look like Chase has a committable offer at this point but I still think he could be the guy if we whiff on some higher targets. Looks like we need a CB with McDuffie highest on our list, then maybe Javin Wright? LPJ still lurking in the shadows. I trust in Damaged Goods so I'm sure we'll be fine here.
Next to commit: Bandes obvs
After that: Heimuli, Wright, Buelow (not necessarily in order)
Comments
QB
Agree that we're done with Morris. There are 4 scholarship QBs on roster for 2019 already (Eason, Sirmon, Yankoff, Haener). I suspect that we're going to be in a position where there may be a QB transfer coming as soon as 2020 so it will be important to continue to have strong recruiting here in both the 2020 and 2021 classes (wouldn't shock me if we went after 3 in 2 years).
RB
The truth of Gaskin leaving after this year and Salvon the year after is a realistic one. What would remain assuming that we only take a single in this class for 2020 would be Sr's in Pleasant and McGrew, a RS Soph in Newton, and a possible RS Frosh in Davis. The reality is that this is a position that you can come in relatively early and contribute so the short-term urgency isn't as extreme as it woul be at other positions. My guess is that we're looking at going after 2-3 RBs in next year's class. Wild cards to all of this is the view on Boner and I don't think it's out of the range of possibility that Jamyn Patu very well may earn some playing time at some point. Also, it's worth considering whether or not Trey Lowe is a future RB or WR. If he's a RB, the numbers look better.
WR
This is a crazy position right now for UW. There are currently 11 scholarship WRs on the roster and none of those players are seniors (Chico's injury and playing time last year gave him a RS year). There are 4 Jr's on the roster (Chico, Fuller, Opera Singer, and Pounds). I could see at least one of them leaving after the season as a grad transfer somewhere. I think what you are seeing here and in the 2020 class is that we're really uncertain at what is going to happen numbers wise. We'll obviously take Ngata if he wants to come. But other than that, I think we're good this year because the numbers don't add up. As it comes to 2020, a lot will have to do again with who/what we have on roster. If you assume we get Ngata this year and Ty Jones stays 4 years, then going into the 2020 season you're looking at a depth chart containing Jones, Bynum, Cook, Osborne, Spiker, Lowe (assuming he stays at WR), Davis, and Ngata. All of these guys are high end potential players. So I think what you're going to see here is that we're going to continue to talk to Ngata and 2020 guys and not necessarily slow playing them per se, but being transparent with our depth. Decision points are going to come with how many of our current Jr's will leave this year (may open up another spot in 2019), does Jones leave early in 2020, and does Ngata come or not. For the last 2, that could lead to some higher numbers in the 2020 class. I suspect that we're going to be targeting the 2020 and 2021 classes very heavily here.
TE
Bryant being out for the year IMO likely will mean that we'll get some time this year from Devin Culp (although I could definitely see us being selective at when we use him to make sure that we're mainitaining his RS year). There's currently 7 scholarship TEs on the roster and only Sample is a Sr. Michael Neal is a grad transfer, forgive his senior season, or medically retire type guy IMO. This isn't a terribly urgent position for us in 2018 recruiting in that we have going into 2019 Bryant, Otton, Kizer, and Culp. Add into that that you also have Justiss Warren playing some FB and H-Back hybrid for us and there's definitely depth going into next year. Even if Bryant leaves early in 2019 (which I think is doubtful given his injury and the fact that TEs generally aren't early entry guys), you still have some solid depth going into 2020 with Otton/Kizer/Culp. If one of our top targets come in this class, I think you take them. If they don't, then I think you pass going into next year unless you can get a preferred walk-on type of steal. I suspect that we will get DJ Rogers in the 2020 class (and we should be going fairly hard after him in the back half of this year). It's a position where we likely need about 3 guys every 2 years or thereabouts from a recruiting standpoint.
OL
We currently have 15 scholarship guys on the roster. We're guaranteed to lose 4 guys out of this class in Adams, McGary, James, and Boomer. There are also candidates to move on in Roberts, Hilbers, and Burleson. So I do think that this is an area where we're going to throw some numbers in this class. There's an odd calm recruiting at this position right now under Huff that we're in a good spot. I think the interesting one to watch will be Bailey Elder. He's definitely in the wait and see camp right now in that IF Roberts, Hilbers, or Burleson leave early I could absolutely see Elder getting a spot. There's a bit of a void between classes in 2019 and 2020 where I would definitely err on the side of getting 1 too many earlier than later in recruiting. Obviously, the 2020 recruiting class is looking quite strong here as well. There will be some delicate balancing acts to have here.
DL
This is going to be a massive haul for us this year coming off of another massive haul last year. We're building Natty level DL classes. I definitely think we're going to be getting Tui. As Dennis alluded to, the tea leaves all look really favorable for UW. I think we would already have Wright in the boat IF we wanted to take it. It's a great indication of how things have changed in that we can play a slower game with some pretty damn good players because we're not sure if we're going to get better players and knowing that the really good players are content to wait the game of musical chairs. The depth chart highlights how insane the future looks. We have 9 scholarship players on the roster (10 if you include Bronson). We lose Greg and Jaylen after this year. Scrempos is another candidate to potentially grad transfer after this year, medically retire, etc. Stacking this class on last year was DESPERATELY needed and Malloe has delivered. Another consideration in this year's class will be what does the 2020 class look like. When looking at next year's board, and while I will defer to the experts to correct me if I'm wrong, it's not looking like a particularly strong West Coast DL class. So it's quite possible that we'll load up on numbers this year if we can.
BUCK
This will be interesting to watch. I like Trice's film and think we're in a decent spot for him. His offer list suggests that he's going to be a good one. The funny thing here is that we have numbers but we desperately need somebody or two to really step up. It's a position where I could definitely see some attrition coming as Myles Rice may be a candidate. It's quite possible that this is a position where there's some mix/match going on in a while where we're combining players that can play bigger and set the edge against more power type teams and then have some pass rushing specialist type players.
MIK/WIL/SAM
Grouping all of these positions together as you see players move between positions here much more often than at BUCK. What you learn looking at the depth chart is that it's a massive unknown. There's only 8 guys on scholarship here with BBK and Tevis graduating after this year. After that, both Beavers and Wellington graduate the year after. Ngata may move from BUCK to SAM to help with numbers. It definitely wouldn't surprise me if we ended up taking 4 here if we got all the guys that we wanted. I don't think we're going to go crazy reaching out into our Plan B guys. But if everybody on our board jumps on, then I think we'll take them all because not only are we going to be a in depth crunch soon, but there's obvious implications for Special Teams as well. This will also need to be an area of focus in 2020 depending on what happens in this class.
DB
I don't view this class as a make or break class given that we currently have 13 players on scholarship. There's definitely a risk for some attrition here as JoJo and Jordan graduate and there are early entry candidates in Rapp and Murphy. This year's class seems much more like a quantity over quality class which I'm ok with as that will help in 2020 recruiting as playing time discussions can be in play for 2020 kids when we'll lose Joyner and Bryant.
Conclusion
This year's class looks and feels like a transition class and needs to be judged in relation to the 2018 and 2020 classes. It's vital in this class that we have strong OL/DL classes and we're definitely on pace to do so. We also appear to be in a solid position with LB recruiting which is another area of need. We are well positioned with QB recruiting going forward and that was driven home in this class as our path to a National Title will require us winning at the QB position. Some positions that it may be questionable at what we're doing in this class it's important to start looking at how future classes stack up compared to our depth. Looking forward, I'm seeing National Title caliber positional groups at QB, WR, TE, OL, DL, and DB. The RB position is a work in process and really will depend on the 2020 class to see where we are going forward. The LB position looks P12 solid but not sure National level solid.
RB: Davis
WR: Davis
WR: Ngata
OL: Kalepo
OL: Luciano
OL: Pa'ama
OL: Buelow
OL: Fautanu
OL: Enokk Vimahi (Mission)
DB: Fabiculanan
DB: Turner
DB: Williams
ILB: Ah You
ILB: Heimuli
SAM: Ryan Franke
BUCK/DE/DT: Tuputala
BUCK: Colt Ellison
BUCK: Laiatu Latu
DT: Noa Ngalu
DT: Faatui Tuitele
DT/DE: Stephon Wright
NT: Siaki Ika
supreme Jake overlord.
2-2 so far.
#JustHereToBeatMyChest
QB: Dylan Morris
RB: Cameron Davis
WR: Taj Davis
WR: Joe Ngata
OL: Nate Kalepo
OL: Corey Luciano
OL: Sama Pa'ama
OL: Julius Buelow
OL: Sean Rhyan
OL: Enokk Vimahi (Mission)
DB: Kamren Fabiculanan
DB: Asa Turner
DB: Cameron Williams
DB: Trent McDuffie
ILB: Miki Ah You
ILB: Daniel Heimuli
SAM: Jordan Lolohea
BUCK/DL: Alphonzo Tuputala
BUCK: Laiatu Latu
NT/DT: Jacob Bandes
DT: Noa Ngalu
DT: Faatui Tuitele
DT/DE: Stephon Wright
K: Timothy Horn
And I feel like this gets asked once a month but haven't we established Lolohea isn't eligible for '19?
Currently by 247 we 7 four stars and 6 three stars (4 and 9 by composite). If the rest of my projected class were to come in that would have us taking 8 more for a class of 21. Of those 8 I only have 7 named (I projected us taking a TE but didn't guess which one). Of those 7, only Heimul has a discrepancy between 247 and composite, with him a 3 star on 247 but 4 on composite. Together they would add 4 4 stars by 247 (5 if the TE is a 4 star) and 5 4 stars by composite.
This would put our class at 11 247 four stars and 9 composite 4 stars, with a TE potentially making that 12 and 10, and if Ah You gets his rumored 247 bump that would put it at 12 or 13 247 four stars and 9 or 10 composite.
Interestingly Tufono is also a 3 by 247 but 4 by composite, so swapping him and Heimuli doesn't affect the totals.
Also interestingly Tuitele is down to a 4 star by both composite and 247 so swapping he or Ika in for either of the DL doesn't affect anything number wise either.
The biggest wild cards left seem to be:
Will we take a TE? If so, who?
Will we take another WR (please no unless it's Joe)? This would seem to almost certainly be a 3 star if they did.
How many more DL, OL and LB do we take?
But even with those wild card I think it's safe to expect a range of 11 to 13 247 4 stars and 8 to 10 composite 4 stars.
Likely done: RB, WR
Maybe done: TE
What's left:
OL: Going to take one or two (hopefully two) more. Buelow looks really good. Fautanu looks possible. Vimahi looks really good, possible mission kid. Possibly could take all three if Vimahi is confirmed mission.
That's it on the offensive side unless somehow Foskey happens there's a different surprise at TE, or at RB or WR.
DL: Once Bandes commits today that will give me 4 out of 5 from this projection (Ngata being the whiff). Wright still looks like a good chance, and Tuitele seems a legit chance as well. Ika is pretty unlikely. Is there any way we would take Bandes, Wright and Tuitele? I can't see how but I can't see telling any of them no either. EWIWBC
ILB: Heimuli seems a heavy UW lean. Tufono seems destined to play for Hawaii at this point. Sad.
OLB: Trice seems to be trending Oregon which, SarkShrug.gif. Who knows what we do here. Seems we definitely need somebody at Buck. Could be a late surprise we steal from a lesser schools commit list ala Tryon/Tafisi.
DB: Doesn't look like Chase has a committable offer at this point but I still think he could be the guy if we whiff on some higher targets. Looks like we need a CB with McDuffie highest on our list, then maybe Javin Wright? LPJ still lurking in the shadows. I trust in Damaged Goods so I'm sure we'll be fine here.
Next to commit: Bandes obvs
After that: Heimuli, Wright, Buelow (not necessarily in order)
After that who knows.