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Which program - should they win another NT - replace SC or ND on Mt Rushmore?

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,714 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    I think the Money, Tradition, Location future potential will always merit some consideration. Fuck SC in the face though. They are the most underperforming program in the modern history of the sport.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,286
    Miami
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    If Mt Rushmore was only about 1983 to the present, then Miami is a lock with another NT. But it's not; pre 1983 resume matters.

    Less and less so.

    I have a good and natural temporal cut-off on which we could all agree: pre-integration of the gayme doesn't count, or if you must count them, they should be discounted by 1/3 or something.

    When the brothers weren't allowed to play, it wasn't tuff.
    I can get behind 1970 give or take as when "modern" college football began- i.e., most of SEC integrated and unlimited substitution. But Oklahomo won 2 NT's in the 1970s so they were skrong in this era too.

    Plus they have a great big on campus stadium. If you care about football at your school you have a have a stadium. BUILD YOUR OWN STADIUM AND GET AN AVATAR YOU GOD DAMNED OLIVE OIL SAVAGE!!
    I don't buy the on-campus stadium thing for obvious reasons.

    Real estate in Coral Gables is a little more expensive than it is in Norman.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,606 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    dnc said:

    But if we're just talking "what have you done" USC, Bama and ND are a notch about tOSU. It's the Buckeyes that are closest to losing their spot to OU on that list. Top of my head without researching it I think I'd actually take OU over tOSU.

    I love winsapedia. Looks like you're right




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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,606 Founders Club
    edited June 2018
    Oklahoma
    Wait - OS is till ahead
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    Oklahoma
    RaceBannon said:

    Wait - OS is till ahead

    yr

    Like I said, top of my head.

    tOSU stays in stone but I can't imagine OU is closer to anybody on Rushmore than them.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,286
    Miami
    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Pete takes Pete with him wherever he goes. So there's that.

    If he wants a title and can choose anywhere? Well, it's been show that you can win at Miami. Four guys (and almost a fifth) won a title there in my lifetime.

    More talent in the very county in which you reside than you need for three programs. It's warm and in some respects is the east coast analog to USC.

    Miami.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    Oklahoma
    creepycoug said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Pete takes Pete with him wherever he goes. So there's that.

    If he wants a title and can choose anywhere? Well, it's been show that you can win at Miami. Four guys (and almost a fifth) won a title there in my lifetime.

    More talent in the very county in which you reside than you need for three programs. It's warm and in some respects is the east coast analog to USC.

    Miami.
    Yep. Which is why I can't imagine a worse play for him than Miami.

    Not exactly #LightSkinnedU
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  • AUBURNTROJAN
    AUBURNTROJAN Member Posts: 192
    Write-in Option
    These positions do not change. Once they have been set, they stay that way forever. Learn them, live them, love them.

    There's a reason they are called the IRON laws. When has anything referred to as IRON ever collapsed?
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,286
    Miami
    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Pete takes Pete with him wherever he goes. So there's that.

    If he wants a title and can choose anywhere? Well, it's been show that you can win at Miami. Four guys (and almost a fifth) won a title there in my lifetime.

    More talent in the very county in which you reside than you need for three programs. It's warm and in some respects is the east coast analog to USC.

    Miami.
    Yep. Which is why I can't imagine a worse play for him than Miami.

    Not exactly #LightSkinnedU
    I think Pete's loose approach and his ability to get the players to like him, while still being the clear alpha leader, is perfect for Miami's culture, which still bears some resemblance to the Miami of old. He's like a more hip version of Jimmy Johnson, who like Pete, identified with players on some level as a guy who grew up pore on the wrong side of the tracks. They loved him for it and played hard for him, but they also knew he was in charge and respected him. What Warren Sapp did with Dennis would not have happened on Jimmy's watch.

    Pete likes coaching talent and talent likes playing for Pete. Whatever trouble he might find in Miami, I don't think it would be on the field. He'd have the horses to run with and I'd like his chances for a title there.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,286
    Miami
    AUBURNTROJAN said:

    These positions do not change. Once they have been set, they stay that way forever. Learn them, live them, love them.

    There's a reason they are called the IRON laws. When has anything referred to as IRON ever collapsed?

    Mt. Rushmore would have looked different 100 years ago. Navy and Yale would be on there somewhere.

    Iron can change if there is enuff heat.
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