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Which program - should they win another NT - replace SC or ND on Mt Rushmore?

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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    Oklahoma
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
    Miami
    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Good call on Denny

    Oregon State couldn't keep him either

    Miami didn't want to keep him
    You got that right. I'm not sure there's ever been a coach who won two titles who was less appreciated than Erickson at Miami. Nobody gave him any credit for the titles, and the very minute Miami looking human people were calling for his ass. It's almost like they didn't think an ex-Kewger belonged at Miami in the first place.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,108 Founders Club
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    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Good call on Denny

    Oregon State couldn't keep him either

    Miami didn't want to keep him
    You got that right. I'm not sure there's ever been a coach who won two titles who was less appreciated than Erickson at Miami. Nobody gave him any credit for the titles, and the very minute Miami looking human people were calling for his ass. It's almost like they didn't think an ex-Kewger belonged at Miami in the first place.
    Alabama didn't even wait for Price to coach a game before they shit canned him
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    RaceBannon said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    creepycoug said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Keep toeing the party line doogs. You're making USC proud. Who the fuck puts Notre Dame and USC ahead of two programs that won multiple titles in the BCS era?

    People without a vested interest in discrediting football before 1998? I'll give it to you that you are at least consistent in applying your stupid standard.
    Totally agree.

    1980 or thereabouts is a much better cut-off.
    Many experts now say that the Golden Age of College Football was from 1910 to 1920

    #Dobie

    #63nonlosingstreak

    #DominatetheBattleShips
    Only Raysissts say that because of no blicks.

    I'm sure of it.

    All kidding aside, Gloomy got it the fuck done! Even if there is some shit scheduling peppered in there, that's what everyone did back then, and no losses in 63 tries is pretty remarkable, even controlling for the variables.

    Derek will have to chime in here, but the way he was let go as I recall was pretty unceremonious relative to what he accomplished. The guy was nails; no doubt about it.
    Suzzzalo was the Gerberding of his time
    Suzzalo was such an upper campus, ivory tower fag, that he he came damn close to firing Hiram Conibear. Conibear sold the couch later that year in 1917 in a fruit tree accident.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    Oklahoma
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,108 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    @PatHadenFS ? True?
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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    Oklahoma
    I'm just here to jump on the Gloomy Gil bandwagon

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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Princeton
    Yale
    Alabama
    Notre Dame
    USC

    There are 5 spots on Mt. Rushmore now that Trump is the GOAT.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
    Miami
    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    @PatHadenFS ? True?
    Ah, where would we? be without Pat Haden.

    Love that guy.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
    Miami
    RaceBannon said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Good call on Denny

    Oregon State couldn't keep him either

    Miami didn't want to keep him
    You got that right. I'm not sure there's ever been a coach who won two titles who was less appreciated than Erickson at Miami. Nobody gave him any credit for the titles, and the very minute Miami looking human people were calling for his ass. It's almost like they didn't think an ex-Kewger belonged at Miami in the first place.
    Alabama didn't even wait for Price to coach a game before they shit canned him
    That was a banner day for Kewgs everywhere. Not embarrassing at all.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
    Miami
    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
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    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
    Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
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    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
    Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.
    Yeah, something like that. And honestly, at the tim, there was no obvious reason for him to be higher.
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    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
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    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
    Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.
    Yeah, something like that. And honestly, at the tim, there was no obvious reason for him to be higher.
    It wasn't Herm Edwards bad, but not far from it.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,108 Founders Club
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    I think USC really wanted Bellotti when they ended up with Pete
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    It's officially Mount Rushmore season.
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    uzi Member Posts: 1,298
    edited July 2018
    (deleted because I realized I'm hungover and too pissed off to post)
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,730 Founders Club
    edited July 2018
    Florida State
    Florida State finishing in the final AP top 5 for like 15 years straight is insane. They won multiple BCS era title, played for another, snapped the SEC streak, made it to the playoff (quack). Multiple heismans


    Their recent success puts them above Miami imo. IF they won another title you'd have to say 3 coaches getting it done is no fluke.
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    Doogles said:

    Florida State finishing in the final AP top 5 for like 15 years straight is insane. They won multiple BCS era title, played for another (QUACK), snapped the SEC streak, made it to the playoff (WOOF). Multiple heismans


    Their recent success puts them above Miami imo. IF they won another title you'd have to say 3 coaches getting it done is no fluke.

    Dooging and quooking in the same poast. Chinned for the quooging.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
    edited July 2018
    Miami
    Doogles said:

    Florida State finishing in the final AP top 5 for like 15 years straight is insane. They won multiple BCS era title, played for another, snapped the SEC streak, made it to the playoff (quack). Multiple heismans


    Their recent success puts them above Miami imo. IF they won another title you'd have to say 3 coaches getting it done is no fluke.

    I will grant you the top 5 finishes ... remarkable, especially when you consider that FSU is one of the few programs that can actually stand behind the "anyplace, anytime" chatter. They've played some tuff schedules.

    That said, 5 > 3, and as was just discussed elsewhere, Miami is within an eyelash of 8 titles (86, 88 and 02), and a couple of eyelashes from 9 (2000). They have a ridiculous home winning streak that you know well, they once had a 19 game road winning streak, they have an absurd record vs. #1 ranked teams, they have few equals when it comes to producing impact players at the pro level, all kinds of draft pick records, soon to be fourth all-time with Pro HOFamers when Reed gets in next year for 8 and will be chasing Ohio State's 10 players soon with potential inductees Gore, Edge, Dre Johnson and Wilfork (two of those gets in). And their 2001 team was an all-timer and as close to flawless as they come ... nails across the board, strong and deep at every position on the field.

    Florida State has been a little less up and down, but I have a hard time putting FSU over them just yet. They'd need a couple more titles before you could be serious about that. AND, Miami doesn't have to "IF" the coaching question. 4 different coaches have won titles there.
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  • YellowSnow
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    Oklahoma

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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
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    YellowSnow said:


    Forgot Reggie Wayne! He may sneak in after a few ballots..
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  • Kaepsknee
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    Central Florida.
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    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    And USC respects us more @creepycoug

    Hey, Miami REALLY respects Washington too. What with the streak and all ....

    One other tie-in: EVERYBODY with a brain knows that Miami or Washington 2000 throttle 2000 Oklahoma. That's a crappy title.
    Except 2000 Oregon State would have beaten all of them in a Natty game.
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    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,067
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    salemcoog said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    And USC respects us more @creepycoug

    Hey, Miami REALLY respects Washington too. What with the streak and all ....

    One other tie-in: EVERYBODY with a brain knows that Miami or Washington 2000 throttle 2000 Oklahoma. That's a crappy title.
    Except 2000 Oregon State would have beaten all of them in a Natty game.
    Good poont. All 3 teams were very tuff end of year. Would have been a good year for a playoff.
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    It was an honor for THE University of Oregon to own reigning national champion FSU and Mt. Rushmore final four finalist, on the national stage in front of millions and millions of duck fans nationwide in the playoffs.



    First game Famous Jameis ever lost. He went 26-0 before falling to the duck blitzkrieg.

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