RIP to the DNC
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My buddy, both a former navy pilot and right-leaning libertarian, was pretty bent out of shape about this untimely release.YellowSnow said:
“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.
I wish it wasn't the case, but it casts a significant pall over credibility of the memo. No matter how true (I think) it is in principle.
It also isn't stretch think the DOJ/FBI castigation of the memo is incentivized by the need to cover their own asses.
All that said, Jeff SessionsFS is a steaming pile of shit.
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Fucking this.dnc said:
Yes, I fondly remember the Democrats having congress and the White House and immediately moving to strike down the Patriot Act the GOP forced down their throats.ThomasFremont said:The party that brought us the Patriot Act crying about civil liberties.
Neither party gives a shit about personal liberty.
hth
*full-disclosure, I was naively in favor of the passage of the PA when it went through Congress post 9/11 -
Disagree. The memo is more credible WITHOUT DOJ/FBI "vetting." What exactly do they need to 'vet.' They have shown they can't be trusted, it wasn't acceptable to give them a chance to doctor the memo.pawz said:
My buddy, both a former navy pilot and right-leaning libertarian, was pretty bent out of shape about this untimely release.YellowSnow said:
“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.
I wish it wasn't the case, but it casts a significant pall over credibility of the memo. No matter how true (I think) it is in principle.
It also isn't stretch think the DOJ/FBI castigation of the memo is incentivized by the need to cover their own asses.
All that said, Jeff SessionsFS is a steaming pile of shit.
Agree. Jeff Session is a piece of shit. Declaring war on stoners is FS. -
#MeToopawz said:
Fucking this.dnc said:
Yes, I fondly remember the Democrats having congress and the White House and immediately moving to strike down the Patriot Act the GOP forced down their throats.ThomasFremont said:The party that brought us the Patriot Act crying about civil liberties.
Neither party gives a shit about personal liberty.
hth
*full-disclosure, I was naively in favor of the passage of the PA when it went through Congress post 9/11
It wasn't until about 06 or 07 when I discovered Ron Paul that I began to really understand the value of privacy and personal liberty.
Shoutout to @ReggieIsHereToBeatMySexMoney for that protip. -
Fair poont, however for my buddy it is more about order of operation and chain of command.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Disagree. The memo is more credible WITHOUT DOJ/FBI "vetting." What exactly do they need to 'vet.' They have shown they can't be trusted, it wasn't acceptable to give them a chance to doctor the memo.pawz said:
My buddy, both a former navy pilot and right-leaning libertarian, was pretty bent out of shape about this untimely release.YellowSnow said:
“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.
I wish it wasn't the case, but it casts a significant pall over credibility of the memo. No matter how true (I think) it is in principle.
It also isn't stretch think the DOJ/FBI castigation of the memo is incentivized by the need to cover their own asses.
All that said, Jeff SessionsFS is a steaming pile of shit.
Agree. Jeff Session is a piece of shit. Declaring war on stoners is FS.
He very much thinks HRC should be sitting in a federal gulag, for decades, for how she handled classified material. -
Without Donald Trump winning the election, all of this corruption, the weaponizing America’s law enforcement toward a political candidate, would have been swept under the rug.
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The problem with your buddy's logic is it assumes the top of the chain is moral and upstanding and absolutely without question truthful.pawz said:
Fair poont, however for my buddy it is more about order of operation and chain of command.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Disagree. The memo is more credible WITHOUT DOJ/FBI "vetting." What exactly do they need to 'vet.' They have shown they can't be trusted, it wasn't acceptable to give them a chance to doctor the memo.pawz said:
My buddy, both a former navy pilot and right-leaning libertarian, was pretty bent out of shape about this untimely release.YellowSnow said:
“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.
I wish it wasn't the case, but it casts a significant pall over credibility of the memo. No matter how true (I think) it is in principle.
It also isn't stretch think the DOJ/FBI castigation of the memo is incentivized by the need to cover their own asses.
All that said, Jeff SessionsFS is a steaming pile of shit.
Agree. Jeff Session is a piece of shit. Declaring war on stoners is FS.
He very much thinks HRC should be sitting in a federal gulag, for decades, for how she handled classified material.
And, frankly, with Comey at the top, I can't say that with absolute certainty. If it was Mad Dog Mattis' integrity being questioned, your buddy might have a case. Comey, not so much.
Therefore, there are are checks and balances established within the system - including executive oversight and congressional review.
Whether you are right or left is irrelevant in a system that was established agnostic of both.
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But that is the point. Agnostically speaking, HRC should be rotting in jail.PurpleThrobber said:
The problem with your buddy's logic is it assumes the top of the chain is moral and upstanding and absolutely without question truthful.pawz said:
Fair poont, however for my buddy it is more about order of operation and chain of command.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Disagree. The memo is more credible WITHOUT DOJ/FBI "vetting." What exactly do they need to 'vet.' They have shown they can't be trusted, it wasn't acceptable to give them a chance to doctor the memo.pawz said:
My buddy, both a former navy pilot and right-leaning libertarian, was pretty bent out of shape about this untimely release.YellowSnow said:
“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.
I wish it wasn't the case, but it casts a significant pall over credibility of the memo. No matter how true (I think) it is in principle.
It also isn't stretch think the DOJ/FBI castigation of the memo is incentivized by the need to cover their own asses.
All that said, Jeff SessionsFS is a steaming pile of shit.
Agree. Jeff Session is a piece of shit. Declaring war on stoners is FS.
He very much thinks HRC should be sitting in a federal gulag, for decades, for how she handled classified material.
And, frankly, with Comey at the top, I can't say that with absolute certainty. If it was Mad Dog Mattis' integrity being questioned, your buddy might have a case. Comey, not so much.
Therefore, there are are checks and balances established within the system - including executive oversight and congressional review.
Whether you are right or left is irrelevant in a system that was established agnostic of both. -
You're putting a lot of faith in Nunes and the repubs on the house intelligence committee. Also Trump appointed the new head of FBI so what makes you think he's part of the deep state?oregonblitzkrieg said:
Disagree. The memo is more credible WITHOUT DOJ/FBI "vetting." What exactly do they need to 'vet.' They have shown they can't be trusted, it wasn't acceptable to give them a chance to doctor the memo.pawz said:
My buddy, both a former navy pilot and right-leaning libertarian, was pretty bent out of shape about this untimely release.YellowSnow said:
“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.
I wish it wasn't the case, but it casts a significant pall over credibility of the memo. No matter how true (I think) it is in principle.
It also isn't stretch think the DOJ/FBI castigation of the memo is incentivized by the need to cover their own asses.
All that said, Jeff SessionsFS is a steaming pile of shit.
Agree. Jeff Session is a piece of shit. Declaring war on stoners is FS. -
Well, see also the comment above about the chain of command having integrity.pawz said:
But that is the point. Agnostically speaking, HRC should be rotting in jail.PurpleThrobber said:
The problem with your buddy's logic is it assumes the top of the chain is moral and upstanding and absolutely without question truthful.pawz said:
Fair poont, however for my buddy it is more about order of operation and chain of command.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Disagree. The memo is more credible WITHOUT DOJ/FBI "vetting." What exactly do they need to 'vet.' They have shown they can't be trusted, it wasn't acceptable to give them a chance to doctor the memo.pawz said:
My buddy, both a former navy pilot and right-leaning libertarian, was pretty bent out of shape about this untimely release.YellowSnow said:
“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.
I wish it wasn't the case, but it casts a significant pall over credibility of the memo. No matter how true (I think) it is in principle.
It also isn't stretch think the DOJ/FBI castigation of the memo is incentivized by the need to cover their own asses.
All that said, Jeff SessionsFS is a steaming pile of shit.
Agree. Jeff Session is a piece of shit. Declaring war on stoners is FS.
He very much thinks HRC should be sitting in a federal gulag, for decades, for how she handled classified material.
And, frankly, with Comey at the top, I can't say that with absolute certainty. If it was Mad Dog Mattis' integrity being questioned, your buddy might have a case. Comey, not so much.
Therefore, there are are checks and balances established within the system - including executive oversight and congressional review.
Whether you are right or left is irrelevant in a system that was established agnostic of both.
When the heads are corrupt at all levels, you're pretty much fucked.
And I"m looking at Pelosi, HRC/Obama and Loretta Lynch specifically.
Fucking bitches.
