We are doing a really good job at getting very good players at (almost) every position. The floor for our classes at this point is extremely high, these are really fucking good classes.
But if we want to actually compete for nattys we need to start getting some really elite players, and Malloe is really the only coach who has shown the ability to do that. (Lake obviously great too, but he's different)
The amount of things that would have to go correctly for us to land a REAL class next year are basically the amount of things that have gone well in the entire Pete era + 20%.
Pete just isn't really serious about recruiting. It's pretty much that simple. If he were, there's no way Boner, Greggy, Paopao and Lubick would be anywhere near a job after early signing day.
I've been paying really close attention to the top 2 teams in every conference. We aren't close guys.
The issue is that we just don't take it that seriously. So, like this year - EVERY position needs to look like what our DBs look like at the minimum. That's a typical top 10 class.
We think that's ASTOUNDING - but really it's just average for top 10 teams.
We really need to change our expectations from 'good for a second tier P12 team' to a Top 10 in the country team.
For all teams in the top 10 we are by far recruiting the worst (outside of UCF).
Again, we have been the best overall program in the Pac for the last 3 years and we can't score a top 5 WR on the coast. One of whom's brother is on our team.
The thing is - the space between where we are (which is pretty good) and where we are going to need to be to seriously contend, we are stile miles and miles away.
If we close with Ford/Bru, Wright, Latu, Heimuli, Henry and McDuffie - then we are getting there.
Let's look at the top 20 teams in 247's composite ratings...
When you look at the amount of top 300 players (over .90 rating, basically) in all classes (and USC) you can see where things are for us:
So, basically we'd be tied for 9th in the SEC in terms of elite players.
ACC - Tied for 4th Big XII - 3rd Big 10 - 4th Pac 10 - 4th
So, that's the reality of our top end talent. I'd like to see this number be 8 for us next year. And it's easily possible.
Smalls Flowe Ricks Ringo Wilson Bijan Jay Butterfield Clark Phillips Gee Scott (lulz) Gary Bryant Jalen McMillan Ngata Botelho Hatchett DJ Rogers Matt Sykes Joran Banks
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
What kind of brand do you need to recruit in-state OL? How in the hell can we not get Hatchett when Locker is coaching there and Pete is winning? What kind of kid grows up here dreaming of playing at fucking Oklahoma?
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
What kind of brand do you need to recruit in-state OL? How in the hell can we not get Hatchett when Locker is coaching there and Pete is winning? What kind of kid grows up here dreaming of playing at fucking Oklahoma?
We are doing a really good job at getting very good players at (almost) every position. The floor for our classes at this point is extremely high, these are really fucking good classes.
But if we want to actually compete for nattys we need to start getting some really elite players, and Malloe is really the only coach who has shown the ability to do that. (Lake obviously great too, but he's different)
Stop being a fucking Doog.
We've been to 3 NY6 games in a row. What has PSU won that we haven't? Has Oregon done something special on the field to merit how they are recruiting? Everyone always has excuses.
Before you say 'oh, but Oregon blah blah blah'
If we get Charbonnet, Ngata, Heimuli, McDuffie, Latu, Wright in this class, then we are right where we need to be. That would be a class I feel is just as good as anyone's. So, if we have real recruiters at RB, TE and WR - we are basically there: THIS YEAR.
We are doing a really good job at getting very good players at (almost) every position. The floor for our classes at this point is extremely high, these are really fucking good classes.
But if we want to actually compete for nattys we need to start getting some really elite players, and Malloe is really the only coach who has shown the ability to do that. (Lake obviously great too, but he's different)
Stop being a fucking Doog.
We've been to 3 NY6 games in a row. What has PSU won that we haven't? Has Oregon done something special on the field to merit how they are recruiting? Everyone always has excuses.
Before you say 'oh, but Oregon blah blah blah'
If we get Charbonnet, Ngata, Heimuli, McDuffie, Latu, Wright in this class, then we are right where we need to be. That would be a class I feel is just as good as anyone's. So, if we have real recruiters at RB, TE and WR - we are basically there: THIS YEAR.
I really don’t see how he’s dooging in this post, he’s essentially reiterating what you’ve said.
The amount of things that would have to go correctly for us to land a REAL class next year are basically the amount of things that have gone well in the entire Pete era + 20%.
Pete just isn't really serious about recruiting. It's pretty much that simple. If he were, there's no way Boner, Greggy, Paopao and Lubick would be anywhere near a job after early signing day.
I've been paying really close attention to the top 2 teams in every conference. We aren't close guys.
The issue is that we just don't take it that seriously. So, like this year - EVERY position needs to look like what our DBs look like at the minimum. That's a typical top 10 class.
We think that's ASTOUNDING - but really it's just average for top 10 teams.
We really need to change our expectations from 'good for a second tier P12 team' to a Top 10 in the country team.
For all teams in the top 10 we are by far recruiting the worst (outside of UCF).
Again, we have been the best overall program in the Pac for the last 3 years and we can't score a top 5 WR on the coast. One of whom's brother is on our team.
The thing is - the space between where we are (which is pretty good) and where we are going to need to be to seriously contend, we are stile miles and miles away.
If we close with Ford/Bru, Wright, Latu, Heimuli, Henry and McDuffie - then we are getting there.
Let's look at the top 20 teams in 247's composite ratings...
When you look at the amount of top 300 players (over .90 rating, basically) in all classes (and USC) you can see where things are for us:
So, basically we'd be tied for 9th in the SEC in terms of elite players.
ACC - Tied for 4th Big XII - 3rd Big 10 - 4th Pac 10 - 4th
So, that's the reality of our top end talent. I'd like to see this number be 8 for us next year. And it's easily possible.
Smalls Flowe Ricks Ringo Wilson Bijan Jay Butterfield Clark Phillips Gee Scott (lulz) Gary Bryant Jalen McMillan Ngata Botelho Hatchett DJ Rogers Matt Sykes Joran Banks
etc
Going by the 247 ratings, we have 11 guys in this class at 90 or above. The composite rankings drop 6 of our players above .892 but below .90, barely missing that cutoff.
Going by average rating, we are at .90 (247 rankings) if you take out the kicker, which is the 10th highest average in the country. That's higher than teams like Texas A&M, Clemson, LSU, Texas, Michigan, and Florida.
We are doing a really good job at getting very good players at (almost) every position. The floor for our classes at this point is extremely high, these are really fucking good classes.
But if we want to actually compete for nattys we need to start getting some really elite players, and Malloe is really the only coach who has shown the ability to do that. (Lake obviously great too, but he's different)
Stop being a fucking Doog.
We've been to 3 NY6 games in a row. What has PSU won that we haven't? Has Oregon done something special on the field to merit how they are recruiting? Everyone always has excuses.
Before you say 'oh, but Oregon blah blah blah'
If we get Charbonnet, Ngata, Heimuli, McDuffie, Latu, Wright in this class, then we are right where we need to be. That would be a class I feel is just as good as anyone's. So, if we have real recruiters at RB, TE and WR - we are basically there: THIS YEAR.
We are doing a really good job at getting very good players at (almost) every position. The floor for our classes at this point is extremely high, these are really fucking good classes.
But if we want to actually compete for nattys we need to start getting some really elite players, and Malloe is really the only coach who has shown the ability to do that. (Lake obviously great too, but he's different)
Stop being a fucking Doog.
We've been to 3 NY6 games in a row. What has PSU won that we haven't? Has Oregon done something special on the field to merit how they are recruiting? Everyone always has excuses.
Before you say 'oh, but Oregon blah blah blah'
If we get Charbonnet, Ngata, Heimuli, McDuffie, Latu, Wright in this class, then we are right where we need to be. That would be a class I feel is just as good as anyone's. So, if we have real recruiters at RB, TE and WR - we are basically there: THIS YEAR.
I really don’t see how he’s dooging in this post, he’s essentially reiterating what you’ve said.
Yeah, I don't know why I thought that. Oh well. Stop being a Doog anyway. All of you. Me too.
The amount of things that would have to go correctly for us to land a REAL class next year are basically the amount of things that have gone well in the entire Pete era + 20%.
Pete just isn't really serious about recruiting. It's pretty much that simple. If he were, there's no way Boner, Greggy, Paopao and Lubick would be anywhere near a job after early signing day.
I've been paying really close attention to the top 2 teams in every conference. We aren't close guys.
The issue is that we just don't take it that seriously. So, like this year - EVERY position needs to look like what our DBs look like at the minimum. That's a typical top 10 class.
We think that's ASTOUNDING - but really it's just average for top 10 teams.
We really need to change our expectations from 'good for a second tier P12 team' to a Top 10 in the country team.
For all teams in the top 10 we are by far recruiting the worst (outside of UCF).
Again, we have been the best overall program in the Pac for the last 3 years and we can't score a top 5 WR on the coast. One of whom's brother is on our team.
The thing is - the space between where we are (which is pretty good) and where we are going to need to be to seriously contend, we are stile miles and miles away.
If we close with Ford/Bru, Wright, Latu, Heimuli, Henry and McDuffie - then we are getting there.
Let's look at the top 20 teams in 247's composite ratings...
When you look at the amount of top 300 players (over .90 rating, basically) in all classes (and USC) you can see where things are for us:
So, basically we'd be tied for 9th in the SEC in terms of elite players.
ACC - Tied for 4th Big XII - 3rd Big 10 - 4th Pac 10 - 4th
So, that's the reality of our top end talent. I'd like to see this number be 8 for us next year. And it's easily possible.
Smalls Flowe Ricks Ringo Wilson Bijan Jay Butterfield Clark Phillips Gee Scott (lulz) Gary Bryant Jalen McMillan Ngata Botelho Hatchett DJ Rogers Matt Sykes Joran Banks
etc
Going by the 247 ratings, we have 11 guys in this class at 90 or above. The composite rankings drop 6 of our players above .892 but below .90, barely missing that cutoff.
Going by average rating, we are at .90 (247 rankings) if you take out the kicker, which is the 10th highest average in the country. That's higher than teams like Texas A&M, Clemson, LSU, Texas, Michigan, and Florida.
Yeah, I struggled with where to make the cutoff. I was just trying to illustrate a point and the reality is any of these things are slightly inaccurate.
If you look above 95 we have the same kind of thing. The reality is that our guys are not top 150-200 types.
The issue is that, no matter how you do this analysis, when you look for elite guys whatever way, we don't have as many of them.
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
I could believe we? fuck up next year but I don’t believe Huard will allow us? to fuck yo 2021.
He’s going to make sure he is playing with studs and not waste his 4 years.
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
Are we at a spot where we have Top 3’s or so for each guy?
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
Are we at a spot where we have Top 3’s or so for each guy?
Top 12s are the new top 8s which were the new top 5s which were the top 3s
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
Are we at a spot where we have Top 3’s or so for each guy?
Top 12s are the new top 8s which were the new top 5s which were the top
I’m looking for the DDY top 3 we are competing with
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
Are we at a spot where we have Top 3’s or so for each guy?
Top 12s are the new top 8s which were the new top 5s which were the top
I’m looking for the DDY top 3 we are competing with
Of the top 100ish guys we've offered (that we actually have some shot at)
Young - We were top 3 with OU when he committed to SC Bijan - Too early Wilson - Too early Hatchett - Yes top 3, Ou & tOSU Murao - Top 3, probably going to USC Smalls - Top 3, Bama/whovever Flowe - Too early Bothelo - Top 3, but early, probably USC & Oregon Ringo - Top 3, tOSU & Texas Ricks - Too early, probably USC Ngata - Probably top 3, Clemson, maybe Michigan, I don't think we get him Gary Bryant - Top 3 for now Jalen McMillan - Probably top 5, Oregon, USC, etc. Lathan Ransom - Probably top 5, Stanford, ND, USC etc.
This one has been over for awhile. He takes his ACT next week. If he makes it into Stanford then that is where he is going. If he doesn't then he is a Duck.
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
Are we at a spot where we have Top 3’s or so for each guy?
Top 12s are the new top 8s which were the new top 5s which were the top
I’m looking for the DDY top 3 we are competing with
Of the top 100ish guys we've offered (that we actually have some shot at)
Young - We were top 3 with OU when he committed to SC Bijan - Too early Wilson - Too early Hatchett - Yes top 3, Ou & tOSU Murao - Top 3, probably going to USC Smalls - Top 3, Bama/whovever Flowe - Too early Bothelo - Top 3, but early, probably USC & Oregon Ringo - Top 3, tOSU & Texas Ricks - Too early, probably USC Ngata - Probably top 3, Clemson, maybe Michigan, I don't think we get him Gary Bryant - Top 3 for now Jalen McMillan - Probably top 5, Oregon, USC, etc. Lathan Ransom - Probably top 5, Stanford, ND, USC etc.
Thank you for your service ...
The way I see things is actually not favorable for the PAC 12 as a whole but good for UW. If you are a West Coast kid that wants to stay on the West Coast, then the school to compete at the highest level with is going to be UW. Here's why:
Oregon: Herbert is a great QB (everybody says so - I don't agree but whatever). They were the proverbial Sark-ish 5-4 this year in conference and there's really nothing about what Cristoballz is doing to the program that is of substance ... it's all hype. And yes, I know that we lost to them this year but whatever. I really don't see them as anything more than a 6-3 or 7-2 at best team under the current regime (and I'm probably stretching it). They are going to be 8-4 at best next year.
Stanford has hit their ceiling under David Shaw. In the last 5 years in conference, Shaw's gone 5-4, 8-1, 6-3, 7-2, and 6-3. We'll really see what things look like next year as the odd years are the years where Stanford gets everybody at home. I don't really really feel like they are recruiting at the same level with really good evidence of that being how terrible their OL was this year. Their offense is completely dependent on throwing tall passes to tall WRs and TEs. Defensively they are ok but lack dynamic athletes in general. They are probably good enough to say in the 6 win range in conference but I don't think it's a given that they are able to win direct recruiting battles with UW (at least not to the level that they did 3-5 years ago).
UCLA is partly an issue for UW with Chip. You can tell that his team got better the 2nd half of the season and I expect that to continue into next year. Chip will be helped in recruiting and that's primary a concern to me defensively. Offensively, I'm not worried about the QB position (we're not recruiting the same players) and I'm not sure that the WR position is a massive issue either. RB could be a significant issue.
USC is just flat out laughable at this point. Let's see how they finish up this year and who they hire. Kingsbury is a dude bruh disaster but whatever. He's going spread and taking away the advantage that USC typically has. Yes, they will get WRs but we have the DBs so whatever. Spread teams typically are soft and that's SC's biggest issue. Their assistant hires so far are just flat out laughable. Go look up the Wikipedia page for Mike Jinks. It's fucking comical. The Kauha'aha'a hire at DL is probably a decent one but it's been a while since he has even sniffed the homes that he's going to be getting into but it's a direct response to getting some Poly competition for Malloe who has been owning their ass. The reality is that Helton's going to get fired after this year and the start of the year for SC is going to be downright brutal.
Oh, just the #1 rated CB in the West. No big deal.
Aren't Steele and Wright ranked slightly higher?
...but still.
Yeah, Chris Steele is probably a better prospect and is ranked higher. Wright and him are essentially at the same point.
I don't understand rankings for recruits, frankly. I think you can kind of separate them into tiers, but that's about it. Either way, McDuffie is not an ELITE player (there aren't any elite CBs on the WC this year), but he's damn good. Pretty impressive bit of recruiting by Jimmy Lake.
Of our current/likely commits who is truly ELITE?
IMO
Commits
Tuitele Bandes Spam
Likely
Heimuli
That’s it. Latu, Paama the rest of the DBs and all of the OL are a small step below. If we somehow get Ford he’s there.
This. I want to see senior film on a couple of these guys. I think the guys we were in on who were truly, truly elite we lost all of them but Tuitele (Ngata, Charbonnet, McCoy).
I think Spam is close. I think Heimuli is.
Who from the last 3 classes would you call truly, truly elite°?
Bryon, Taylor, Tuli. Hunter. We don't really get many of these guys.
Our recruiting has a long ways to go. We are doing better than ever, but if we want to be a top 5 team our classes have to be consistently top 10.
Next year we have a real shot, but we will probably find a way to cock it up.
Kelee would be the best recruit Pete's ever signed and he could be as low as the third best recruit in next year's class depending on where you rank Hatchett.
Smalls could be the best recruit UW's ever signed.
And 2021 could be as good or better at the top.
Or we could whiff on them all not named Huard.
#TimeToLevelUp
Exactly. I think there are like 10 guys next year we are in on who are elite. But honestly, I don't have much hope.
QB: Bryce Young we are still recruiting, but we got blown out for him even though they will have a new coach and they have a new OC. RB: We didn't even make Kendall Milton's top 10; Bijan Robinson is elite and likes us, but I don't see any way we get him. WR: Johnny Wilson is elite. I don't think we will get him. OL: Hatchett is elite - Coker thinks he's going to Oklahoma. I think we have a good shot, but we shall see. Myles Murao is pretty fucking elite. Maybe? OLB: Smalls obviously, but I'm not optimistic. Pete Latu is elite, but I don't think he has the grades, sadly. LB: Justin Flowe - lol no. Botelho is up there. DB: Ringo, Ricks.
Out of all these guys I don't see any obvious wins. Murao is probably closest, but you always have to assume anyone good at MD is going to USC.
Smalls and Ringo are possible, but Ringo's mom is probably going to bone us. Smalls is a hard call. I still don't think we have the 'brand' that attracts these kinds of players. That's why we can't seem to get the Fozzies, etc.
Are we at a spot where we have Top 3’s or so for each guy?
Top 12s are the new top 8s which were the new top 5s which were the top
I’m looking for the DDY top 3 we are competing with
Of the top 100ish guys we've offered (that we actually have some shot at)
Young - We were top 3 with OU when he committed to SC Bijan - Too early Wilson - Too early Hatchett - Yes top 3, Ou & tOSU Murao - Top 3, probably going to USC Smalls - Top 3, Bama/whovever Flowe - Too early Bothelo - Top 3, but early, probably USC & Oregon Ringo - Top 3, tOSU & Texas Ricks - Too early, probably USC Ngata - Probably top 3, Clemson, maybe Michigan, I don't think we get him Gary Bryant - Top 3 for now Jalen McMillan - Probably top 5, Oregon, USC, etc. Lathan Ransom - Probably top 5, Stanford, ND, USC etc.
Thank you for your service ...
The way I see things is actually not favorable for the PAC 12 as a whole but good for UW. If you are a West Coast kid that wants to stay on the West Coast, then the school to compete at the highest level with is going to be UW. Here's why:
Oregon: Herbert is a great QB (everybody says so - I don't agree but whatever). They were the proverbial Sark-ish 5-4 this year in conference and there's really nothing about what Cristoballz is doing to the program that is of substance ... it's all hype. And yes, I know that we lost to them this year but whatever. I really don't see them as anything more than a 6-3 or 7-2 at best team under the current regime (and I'm probably stretching it). They are going to be 8-4 at best next year.
Stanford has hit their ceiling under David Shaw. In the last 5 years in conference, Shaw's gone 5-4, 8-1, 6-3, 7-2, and 6-3. We'll really see what things look like next year as the odd years are the years where Stanford gets everybody at home. I don't really really feel like they are recruiting at the same level with really good evidence of that being how terrible their OL was this year. Their offense is completely dependent on throwing tall passes to tall WRs and TEs. Defensively they are ok but lack dynamic athletes in general. They are probably good enough to say in the 6 win range in conference but I don't think it's a given that they are able to win direct recruiting battles with UW (at least not to the level that they did 3-5 years ago).
UCLA is partly an issue for UW with Chip. You can tell that his team got better the 2nd half of the season and I expect that to continue into next year. Chip will be helped in recruiting and that's primary a concern to me defensively. Offensively, I'm not worried about the QB position (we're not recruiting the same players) and I'm not sure that the WR position is a massive issue either. RB could be a significant issue.
USC is just flat out laughable at this point. Let's see how they finish up this year and who they hire. Kingsbury is a dude bruh disaster but whatever. He's going spread and taking away the advantage that USC typically has. Yes, they will get WRs but we have the DBs so whatever. Spread teams typically are soft and that's SC's biggest issue. Their assistant hires so far are just flat out laughable. Go look up the Wikipedia page for Mike Jinks. It's fucking comical. The Kauha'aha'a hire at DL is probably a decent one but it's been a while since he has even sniffed the homes that he's going to be getting into but it's a direct response to getting some Poly competition for Malloe who has been owning their ass. The reality is that Helton's going to get fired after this year and the start of the year for SC is going to be downright brutal.
HOW DARE YOU? u long winded fuck. Charles Clay Helton is the second best football coach at any level on the west coast and second only to Joye Thomas.
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But if we want to actually compete for nattys we need to start getting some really elite players, and Malloe is really the only coach who has shown the ability to do that. (Lake obviously great too, but he's different)
We've been to 3 NY6 games in a row. What has PSU won that we haven't? Has Oregon done something special on the field to merit how they are recruiting? Everyone always has excuses.
Before you say 'oh, but Oregon blah blah blah'
If we get Charbonnet, Ngata, Heimuli, McDuffie, Latu, Wright in this class, then we are right where we need to be. That would be a class I feel is just as good as anyone's. So, if we have real recruiters at RB, TE and WR - we are basically there: THIS YEAR.
Going by average rating, we are at .90 (247 rankings) if you take out the kicker, which is the 10th highest average in the country. That's higher than teams like Texas A&M, Clemson, LSU, Texas, Michigan, and Florida.
If you look above 95 we have the same kind of thing. The reality is that our guys are not top 150-200 types.
The issue is that, no matter how you do this analysis, when you look for elite guys whatever way, we don't have as many of them.
CIFC
Young - We were top 3 with OU when he committed to SC
Bijan - Too early
Wilson - Too early
Hatchett - Yes top 3, Ou & tOSU
Murao - Top 3, probably going to USC
Smalls - Top 3, Bama/whovever
Flowe - Too early
Bothelo - Top 3, but early, probably USC & Oregon
Ringo - Top 3, tOSU & Texas
Ricks - Too early, probably USC
Ngata - Probably top 3, Clemson, maybe Michigan, I don't think we get him
Gary Bryant - Top 3 for now
Jalen McMillan - Probably top 5, Oregon, USC, etc.
Lathan Ransom - Probably top 5, Stanford, ND, USC etc.
I wonder if he actually believes everything that he writes.
The way I see things is actually not favorable for the PAC 12 as a whole but good for UW. If you are a West Coast kid that wants to stay on the West Coast, then the school to compete at the highest level with is going to be UW. Here's why:
Oregon: Herbert is a great QB (everybody says so - I don't agree but whatever). They were the proverbial Sark-ish 5-4 this year in conference and there's really nothing about what Cristoballz is doing to the program that is of substance ... it's all hype. And yes, I know that we lost to them this year but whatever. I really don't see them as anything more than a 6-3 or 7-2 at best team under the current regime (and I'm probably stretching it). They are going to be 8-4 at best next year.
Stanford has hit their ceiling under David Shaw. In the last 5 years in conference, Shaw's gone 5-4, 8-1, 6-3, 7-2, and 6-3. We'll really see what things look like next year as the odd years are the years where Stanford gets everybody at home. I don't really really feel like they are recruiting at the same level with really good evidence of that being how terrible their OL was this year. Their offense is completely dependent on throwing tall passes to tall WRs and TEs. Defensively they are ok but lack dynamic athletes in general. They are probably good enough to say in the 6 win range in conference but I don't think it's a given that they are able to win direct recruiting battles with UW (at least not to the level that they did 3-5 years ago).
UCLA is partly an issue for UW with Chip. You can tell that his team got better the 2nd half of the season and I expect that to continue into next year. Chip will be helped in recruiting and that's primary a concern to me defensively. Offensively, I'm not worried about the QB position (we're not recruiting the same players) and I'm not sure that the WR position is a massive issue either. RB could be a significant issue.
USC is just flat out laughable at this point. Let's see how they finish up this year and who they hire. Kingsbury is a dude bruh disaster but whatever. He's going spread and taking away the advantage that USC typically has. Yes, they will get WRs but we have the DBs so whatever. Spread teams typically are soft and that's SC's biggest issue. Their assistant hires so far are just flat out laughable. Go look up the Wikipedia page for Mike Jinks. It's fucking comical. The Kauha'aha'a hire at DL is probably a decent one but it's been a while since he has even sniffed the homes that he's going to be getting into but it's a direct response to getting some Poly competition for Malloe who has been owning their ass. The reality is that Helton's going to get fired after this year and the start of the year for SC is going to be downright brutal.