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    PurpleBazePurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 29,488
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    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    Wow. It actually happened. Okay then. Shit is right with the world again. We have a legit Top 5 coach and are going to the Fiesta Bowl, and they are circling the drain hiring failed assistants to lead Nike U. I always knew Oregon would suck again, I just didn't know it would be so soon.

    All to save a recruiting class. Jesus. Fail.

    If we hired a coach to save a recruiting class I would kill myself. And this is coming from a guy who just got done looking at 2021 hudl.

    At least the “lunatic fringe” of Husky fans went to the mattresses to try to bring the program back, sad to see Oregon fans just roll over and take it. SAD!
    You've mentioned mattresses twice now. Are you trying to get in my pants?
    We all are.
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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,832
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    Comeupance for all the cheating Chimp did and Fill Night covered up with high priced lawyers. They almost got away scot free.
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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,832
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    Mosster47 said:

    If Jim Leavitt is retained I don't think the program trajectory between Willie and Mario will be any different. We were running Mario's offense by the end of the year so Taggart really was only going to be a recruiter/mascot going forward. I would rather have both Willie and Mario on the staff because they are both awesome recruiters, but overall to me they are the same person.

    For Mario's FIU stint they had no budget, just joined FBS and were under pretty heavy NCAA sanctions when he took over. He got them to their only two bowl games and their lone FBS conference championship. You don't reload at a school like that so there will be down times, but those aren't allowed in today's sports world.

    I am neither excited or disappointed by the hire. I think we basically swapped out a black guy for a Cuban and if Jim Leavitt stays on nothing actually happened.

    One again, never change Mosster
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,062
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    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    Wow. It actually happened. Okay then. Shit is right with the world again. We have a legit Top 5 coach and are going to the Fiesta Bowl, and they are circling the drain hiring failed assistants to lead Nike U. I always knew Oregon would suck again, I just didn't know it would be so soon.

    All to save a recruiting class. Jesus. Fail.

    If we hired a coach to save a recruiting class I would kill myself. And this is coming from a guy who just got done looking at 2021 hudl.

    At least the “lunatic fringe” of Husky fans went to the mattresses to try to bring the program back, sad to see Oregon fans just roll over and take it. SAD!
    You've mentioned mattresses twice now. Are you trying to get in my pants?
    We all are.
    Just ask.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,741
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    salemcoog said:

    dongman said:

    No offense to Grinch, but a lot of his success I believe has come from recruiting paying off. Leach started immediately filling out offensive spots, but it took a year or two for any quality defensive guys to want to come to WSU. He outcoached bad coaches, but not a lot of good coaches.

    Leach's offense has a ceiling. It's not built to beat fast, physical defenses and therefore win a Championship.

    WSU's offense is the worst it has been this Season in 4 years. It was Grinch's defense that won half of the games this year. If WSU had last years Defense or gawd forbid the 2014 or 2015 defense this Season, they win 4 games max this Season.

    Grinch's system of substituting size for speed won't win a Championship. However it does maximize the talent that they are able to get to come to Pullman.
    I just hate the way you talk down about our Kewgs my brother Cuog. I hate it.
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    rodmansragerodmansrage Member Posts: 6,017
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    This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.

    RE: Mario Cristobal/Oregon> Just how bleak were things at FIU when he took over? There was no film library. No academic support system. He inherited a woeful APR & the program was going on academic probation, so they couldn’t have full recruiting classes: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh

    — Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017

    A few thoughts on Mario Cristobal. 1. Took over, BY FAR, the worst FBS situation I've ever seen (FIU).. led them to a bowl win 4 yrs later; 2. Not sure there is a better recruiter in the country anywhere. 3. His teams will be very physical. MORE: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh

    — Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017




    its crazy that a reporter would white knight for a coach who went to the same school at the same time as him.


    what a coincidence!


    but, lipo
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    MikeSeaverMikeSeaver Member Posts: 4,405
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    This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.

    RE: Mario Cristobal/Oregon> Just how bleak were things at FIU when he took over? There was no film library. No academic support system. He inherited a woeful APR & the program was going on academic probation, so they couldn’t have full recruiting classes: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh

    — Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017

    A few thoughts on Mario Cristobal. 1. Took over, BY FAR, the worst FBS situation I've ever seen (FIU).. led them to a bowl win 4 yrs later; 2. Not sure there is a better recruiter in the country anywhere. 3. His teams will be very physical. MORE: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh

    — Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017


    its crazy that a reporter would white knight for a coach who went to the same school at the same time as him.


    what a coincidence!


    but, lipo

    You care so much it’s fucking embarrassing.


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    MikeSeaverMikeSeaver Member Posts: 4,405
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    BallzDeep said:

    @MikeSeaver It's over.

    Please stop with the copy and pastes from 2005.
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    MikeSeaverMikeSeaver Member Posts: 4,405
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    BallzDeep said:

    BallzDeep said:

    @MikeSeaver It's over.

    Please stop with the copy and pastes from 2005.
    It's over.
    You can delete some of the words but I still know what you’re doing.

    Remember when you were “back” in 2007?

    That was funny.
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    FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,707
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    ntxduck said:

    salemcoog said:

    ntxduck said:

    LIPO.

    This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

    Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

    LIPO.

    The AD and boosters gave in to a player vote and the prospect of keeping some of an alleged great recruiting class. This is the Bill Doba hire through and through. There were and are plenty of options out there that have had greater success as a head coach. This was as lazy hire as you could imagine at what used to think of themselves as a Football school.
    Who's available that's a better HC? I actually don't think there's a better realistic option out there right now that's better than Cristobal.
    But if we fire Sark who could we get that's better?

    Brohm, Norvell, Tedford.Troy Brown, heck the guy that made a bowl at UAB this year would probably be better. Aren't you guys loaded?
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    FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,707
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    Mosster47 said:

    Swaye said:

    ntxduck said:

    LIPO.

    This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

    Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

    LIPO.

    This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
    People need to GTFOver hiring a "great" coach.

    Seriously, how often does that happen? Ever? What is a great coach? Michigan jerks off in their sleep over a guy that never sniffed an NC and ran off the guy who won their only modern one for winning nine games and crushing Tebow in their bowl his Heisman year.

    There are three great coaches in college football and four dance spots. I don't give a fuck who anyone hires, your shot at making it outside of those three programs are slim. Then you have to account for ND who makes their own schedule, Oklahoma who plays no one, and ESPN trying to push two SEC teams every year for ratings.

    I hate to break it to UW fans, but you already got the best you're ever going to get out of Petersen. He doesn't recruit well enough and Lake will be gone soon.

    The 117 team rat race to grab that fourth spot is making the sport a shit show.
    This is logically insane even for MossterFS.

    This one team did something dumb once therefore there is no such thing as an objectively good or bad hire.

    And Oregon is so unlikely to make the playoffs anyways what's the use in trying?
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    rodmansragerodmansrage Member Posts: 6,017
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    This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.

    RE: Mario Cristobal/Oregon> Just how bleak were things at FIU when he took over? There was no film library. No academic support system. He inherited a woeful APR & the program was going on academic probation, so they couldn’t have full recruiting classes: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh

    — Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017

    A few thoughts on Mario Cristobal. 1. Took over, BY FAR, the worst FBS situation I've ever seen (FIU).. led them to a bowl win 4 yrs later; 2. Not sure there is a better recruiter in the country anywhere. 3. His teams will be very physical. MORE: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh

    — Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017


    its crazy that a reporter would white knight for a coach who went to the same school at the same time as him.


    what a coincidence!


    but, lipo
    You care so much it’s fucking embarrassing.




    mike, jesus fucking christ, settle the fuck down, its a goddamn message board for fuck sakes.

    and as for 'caring,' some jerkoff poasted tweets about how awesome christobal was despite shit shit record at florida what the fuck ever, coincidentally that reporter went to school and is still friends with christobal.

    but yeah, i 'care.'

    fuck.
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    Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 7,958
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    dnc said:

    Mosster47 said:

    dnc said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Swaye said:

    ntxduck said:

    LIPO.

    This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

    Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

    LIPO.

    This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
    People need to GTFOver hiring a "great" coach.

    Seriously, how often does that happen? Ever? What is a great coach? Michigan jerks off in their sleep over a guy that never sniffed an NC and ran off the guy who won their only modern one for winning nine games and crushing Tebow in their bowl his Heisman year.

    There are three great coaches in college football and four dance spots. I don't give a fuck who anyone hires, your shot at making it outside of those three programs are slim. Then you have to account for ND who makes their own schedule, Oklahoma who plays no one, and ESPN trying to push two SEC teams every year for ratings.

    I hate to break it to UW fans, but you already got the best you're ever going to get out of Petersen. He doesn't recruit well enough and Lake will be gone soon.

    The 117 team rat race to grab that fourth spot is making the sport a shit show.
    Somebody's a little butthurt today.

    Sad.
    I'm not butthurt at all. If Mullens can keep Leavitt literally nothing has changed in the program except no one will be axing questions anymore while being Pacific while dricking milk.

    It's just fucking ridiculous to see all these programs trying to hire the next Nick, Urbs, or Dabo because there is zero margin for error anymore.

    Kevin Sumlin getting fired is a prime example. aTm starts out in 3rd place in their region every year in everything behind OU and Texas. Then, they get to go play Bama, LSU, and Auburn every year with the potential to play either Florida or Georgia as well. The guy goes 51-26 at a place Bear Bryant couldn't sniff a championship at but that's not good enough. It's fucking delusional. It's only going to get worse too. You're going to have guys like Willie Taggart who have literally done nothing in their careers getting $5+M a year and big time jobs only because they haven't fully proven they aren't a Nick, Urbs, or Dabo yet.
    And you guys could have had that guy.

    lulz.
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    RealRhinoRealRhino Member Posts: 615
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    It's an interesting experiment, anyway, to be a decent P5 school and hire a HC primarily for his recruiting ability. I think it's not a good idea, but it'll be interesting.
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    @RealRhino is my hero. Now you know
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    Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
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    RealRhino said:

    It's an interesting experiment, anyway, to be a decent P5 school and hire a HC primarily for his recruiting ability. I think it's not a good idea, but it'll be interesting.

    Well, we just did it two years in a row, so...abundance.
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