Helfrich was a miserable failure in his one stint as OC (at Colorado). He was never OC at Oregon. Real OCs call plays and gameplan, neither of which he did in Eugene
Guess how many plays Helfrich called while he was OC?
Guess who did 90% of the QB coaching?
Helfrich was a glorified WRs coach. These are things I know because I follow my program. It's great that Helf and Pete are frenz. They met when Helf was a GA and Pete was, you guessed it - the WR coach.
NTXDUCKFS, if he is not going to win anything at Oregon, why does he even deserve a shot? The point should be to hold a shitshow together? Why do we have to limit a search to the unemployed losers who currently pass for coaches? Oregon has the money to poach other big programs' sitting coaches.
Because no realistic options are guys who are going to win anything. So don't fuck yourself long term by committing money and resources to a guy who 99% isn't going to pan out. Just let him keep the program afloat for 1-2 years, and then go get a coach who will win something when they're available.
If Cristobal steers the program for one year, does a good job recruiting, and the next Matt Campbell is available in 2018, go get him and you'll be back on track in 2019.
If you hire Sumlin this year because you're desperate for a "name", you are doing this dance all over again in 2021....
ShallowCunt: "But I love how you antiquate Helfrich's failure as a head coach to his ability as an OC when they are two completely different jobs. Dumb people say dumb shit I guess."
Looks like a better list than yours, which includes Cristobal, who doesn't have a great record as a head coach, and probably all the other shit names being thrown around like Kiffin, Leach, etc. While we're at it, lets add Butch Jones to the mix. Why shouldn't Oregon pursue someone like Malzahn for example? It's not like Auburn is completely happy with him. He was struggling to keep his job earlier in the year according to some. His offensive mind would fit perfectly in Oregon.
Matt Campbell would be the only guy on my list who's not an internal hire, but Oregon is way too cheap to pay that buyout. I think you are unable to comprehend what I'm saying. I don't want Cristobal or Leavitt long term. I want a good coach long term. None are available this year. So suck it up, go 8-4 next season and keep the talent coming in, and then hire a good coach in 2018, and you are competing for the P12 North in 2019. If you reach and try to make a good hire this offseason, you have to give them at least 3 years, because stupid cfball unwritten rules say so. Which means that when it doesn't pan out (which it won't, because all the external names being discussed suck), it is 2021/2022 at the earliest before you are competing for the division again.
So; Compete for the division in 2019, or 2022? Which do you prefer?
Looks like a better list than yours, which includes Cristobal, who doesn't have a great record as a head coach, and probably all the other shit names being thrown around like Kiffin, Leach, etc. While we're at it, lets add Butch Jones to the mix. Why shouldn't Oregon pursue someone like Malzahn for example? It's not like Auburn is completely happy with him. He was struggling to keep his job earlier in the year according to some. His offensive mind would fit perfectly in Oregon.
Your boy Taggs had a not-great record as a head coach too. You liked the hire plenty.
Rich people get and stay rich by not wasting their money. Phil's not a retard like the AnM boosters. He's going to get the best coach and staff he can get for market rates. Fact is, the department can't afford 105,000 seat stadium money with a 60,000 seat stadium.
Oregon will stay competitive and pay top 25 money, but we're not going nuts here. Saban et al aren't coming no matter what.
The best outcome here is probably to keep as much of the staff and class as we can, in particular the recruiting talent, and see how they do. At the very least keep the talent top 4-5 in the league and if they fuck up go for a more splash hire if the W's aren't there.
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Guess who did 90% of the QB coaching?
Helfrich was a glorified WRs coach. These are things I know because I follow my program. It's great that Helf and Pete are frenz. They met when Helf was a GA and Pete was, you guessed it - the WR coach.
Surely the man is employed somewhere, yes?
If Cristobal steers the program for one year, does a good job recruiting, and the next Matt Campbell is available in 2018, go get him and you'll be back on track in 2019.
If you hire Sumlin this year because you're desperate for a "name", you are doing this dance all over again in 2021....
Agree.
Nick Saban.
Urban Meyer.
Gus Malzahn.
Dabo Swinney.
One of us lives in reality. The other is high, stupid, or both.
So; Compete for the division in 2019, or 2022? Which do you prefer?
Helfrich has a mitigation clause in his buyout. He can't really turn down a coaching job, unless he's making that much money on FoxSports2. He isn't.
Rich people get and stay rich by not wasting their money. Phil's not a retard like the AnM boosters. He's going to get the best coach and staff he can get for market rates. Fact is, the department can't afford 105,000 seat stadium money with a 60,000 seat stadium.
Oregon will stay competitive and pay top 25 money, but we're not going nuts here. Saban et al aren't coming no matter what.
The best outcome here is probably to keep as much of the staff and class as we can, in particular the recruiting talent, and see how they do. At the very least keep the talent top 4-5 in the league and if they fuck up go for a more splash hire if the W's aren't there.