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Social security and Medicare are next
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Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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An overhaul, or even just small adjustments to it, of SS needs to happen before trying to rewrite the tax code.
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Increase SS get some olds to retire, free up some space in the job market for da yoots, large increases in personal spending... bada bing bada boom
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Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Our government fuckuppery is mostly institutionalized graft (Flag officers working at General Dynamics, ex Congresspeople on K Street), and stupid legislation designed to frustrate the ability of government to do its job (largely from one side of the aisle, but hey).
Nobody on SS complains about SS. Nobody on Medicare/Medicaid advocates their abolition. Medicare spends way less on admin costs than private insurers, and most of the idiocy (rules regarding drug costs and such) are the result of one party trying to frustrate the ability of Medicare to do its job.
Even the VA isn't as bad as the press. Most VA bitching comes from people with no perspective. I get VA for some things and private insurance for others, and generally I find the VA to be more responsive in terms of administration, although for my ortho/spine shit I go to a private provider because the wait is too long with my VA PCM.
"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
- PJ O'Rourke
I agree with PJ on this one. I think we should always take a hard look at the things we think government should do (in general, I prefer market solutions), but in cases where markets contain their own irrational features or imperfect information or participation, government can play a role. And where it can, let it do its job. -
lololololol Economic growth is so old skool. Can we vote these guys off the Island yet? Any system with plans of reaching longevity must forget growth and strive for equilibrium. What is this equilibrium you ask? It is finding success in the pursuit of quality not growth. Ant colonies are a good example of how this is achieved in nature. They follow the same explosive growth pattern that humanity has shown and then taper off to an equilibrium before the thing blows up in their faces.
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I just read the entire plan. Looks good. Nothing to worry about
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Actually SS still brings in more money than it pays out and has since it was started. In a few years it will tilt the other way, but there's like 50 years or whatever of surpluses in the program.Swaye said:
Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Well except for Congress raiding it periodically, sure2001400ex said:
Actually SS still brings in more money than it pays out and has since it was started. In a few years it will tilt the other way, but there's like 50 years or whatever of surpluses in the program.Swaye said:
Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Periodically? It's raided every year technically. In that the revenues are counted in with the general spending of the government. And both the revenues and expenses are included when calculating the deficit.AZDuck said:
Well except for Congress raiding it periodically, sure2001400ex said:
Actually SS still brings in more money than it pays out and has since it was started. In a few years it will tilt the other way, but there's like 50 years or whatever of surpluses in the program.Swaye said:
Have you seen how government works? It's a bunch of broke dicks fucking everything up. SS is basically an insolvent program thanks to government incompetence for 50 years. We can all sit around and dream they fix it, but my money is on continued fuckupery and the program being basically tits up in 20 years. Fuck the government. They couldn't manage a whorehouse.AZDuck said:
Not with that attitude, we won't. I fail to see why a pension system that I have put tons of money into since I was 15 should not provide the pension I paid for.Swaye said:Anyone 50 or below who ever thought social security would be there for them in any significant way in retirement has the brains of a turnip and should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
